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Creeping Incrementalism
11-05-2007, 5:56 PM
Sierra City is a small mountain town up highway 49. About a month ago, an old biker named Richard DeChessero (goes by "C.R") had his house searched by six deputies for a day and a half, and they went even went through the guy's walls looking for firearms. He also had marijuana, though he also had a medical marijuana card. I heard they got at least one "assault weapon" (I'm not sure what kind), and for sure a silencer. C.R. is a friendly (if quirky) guy, not a criminal, but it looks like he had a few illegal toys, and someone got pissed at him for some reason and gave a tip to local law enforcement. I didn't see any media coverage of this, but know people in town who told me about the incident. The whole town is upset with the Sheriff John Evans (who lives in that town) for doing this to a well-liked townie. There is talk of pressuring the county's board of supervisors to cut back the Sheriff's Department's budget because of this.

Just a mile or two downstream from the same town a few years back, Bobby Bowman, a gold miner, got busted on his mining claim by the BATFE for machineguns, and a still (not often the "A" in "ATF" gets any attention). From what I heard, a "friend" of his who was a fed decided to turn Bowman in for no reason in particular.

I was just thinking that it is a sad day when quirky old hillbillies up in the boonies who don't bother anybody get busted by law enforcement because there is no true crime and they need something to occupy their time.

Solidmch
11-05-2007, 7:05 PM
Im not disputing what you said. I just know there are three sides to a story. His side. There side, and what really happend. If he is charged, hopefully he will get a jury of his peers that will be seakers of the truth. Jury nullification is a powerfull tool that people do not want to talk about. However it does exist.

stator
11-06-2007, 6:34 AM
Seems to me that the 2nd amendment protects the rights of individuals to own AWs. If you believe all the rhetoric of our state politicians who are not grabbing guns, but just care about safety, then silencers should be legal here for the safety and protection of hearing.

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mike100
11-06-2007, 6:43 AM
You can always count on somebody trying to stay busy and justify their position no matter what the industry or gov't agency.

I think he'll have to pay dearly for the silencer.. maybe he'll get off with simple confiscation of the AW on that newer bill that passed (ab2728 was it?).

tyrist
11-06-2007, 8:54 AM
Possession of marijuana + possession of gun = felony

Even if everything else turns out to be legal. Just so everyone understand the california state medicinal marijuana law is not valid. DA's in california are just under orders to not file. But the DEA comes to cali and takes down the stores.

Fjold
11-06-2007, 9:12 AM
Sure, "quirky" guys with AW's and silencers never cause a problem. :rolleyes:

Does "He was a quiet guy who ever said or did anything wrong", sound familiar?

How about "He was just a strange guy who lived by himself and wanted to be left alone"?

dondo
11-06-2007, 9:20 AM
How about don't have POT and a SILENCER. If you get popped with it, you kind of deserve it. I played with matches once...and I burned myself. Dad said I deserved it. Now go get yourself some Leroy Jenkum!

bwiese
11-06-2007, 9:26 AM
Let's not get worked up over trying to help this guy. He can get his own defense.

This guy ain't "one of us": he engaged in criminal conduct with a firearm, which in itself was blatantly illegal.

Let's worry about "clean" cases and without any Federal handwaving.

AJAX22
11-06-2007, 9:30 AM
My personal philosophy is to never mix vices.

People can live healthy productive lives so long as they stick to one, but the second they start mixing:

Drugs, loose women, guns, fast cars, fast motorcycles, bungee jumping, extreme sports, skydiving, tax evasion, etc. etc.

you get problems.

My vices are legal firearms (hey its CA so it counts), muscle cars and motorcycles, but I never mix them.

Piper
11-06-2007, 9:44 AM
My buddies and I used to pile an M60 machinegun, three M16's, 3 1911's along with a general officers .45, and several other guns in the trunk of my 1970 Roadrunner on a number of occasions. Then we went to the local 7-11 and bought a case of Dr. Pepper and shot up hundreds of rounds and had a great time doing it.:D

odysseus
11-06-2007, 10:10 AM
loose women, guns, fast cars, fast motorcycles, bungee jumping, extreme sports, skydiving

woh woh woh... hold on there, you mixed these items with illegal ones, and claim they are vices???

I heartily disagree! :D

AJAX22
11-06-2007, 10:15 AM
woh woh woh... hold on there, you mixed these items with illegal ones, and claim they are vices???

I heartily disagree! :D

well.... YMMV but I still think its a bad idea to snort a line of coke off a hookers backside while you parachute your 'bussa down from 16K feet firing an uzi into the air..

I'm just sayin...

odysseus
11-06-2007, 10:25 AM
well.... YMMV but I still think its a bad idea to snort a line of coke off a hookers backside while you parachute your 'bussa down from 16K feet firing an uzi into the air..

I'm just sayin...

Damn, you are on another level there gambler... :eek: :p

schizrade2
11-06-2007, 4:07 PM
:mad: I grew up there and know these people.

I know CR. Who the hell would do that to him? He is a great guy, as is Bobby Bowman*. That is why people don't like newcomers up there. It is a close knit community and they watch out for each other. Only some Bay Area transplant would do that. I know why many of those guys have left now. Most of them had quite the arsenals. I used to shoot machine guns with some of them back when I was young. Most went to Nevada, Montana and Wyoming. Now I really know why.

What a bunch of crap. And Bill, grow a pair already. "Us" vs. "Them"? When they come for you, don't expect much help from "them", who all happen to be large landowners.

All of you Molon Labe types need to man up here. You all talk the talk, but these guys walk the walk. Gov be damned, they live as free men.

I am going to make some calls and figure out what happened and who needs to be outed. :mad:



*Funny side note: Bobby Bowman once hit on my mom at the local watering hole so she socked him and he hit the floor. :D

CCWFacts
11-06-2007, 4:47 PM
This is sad to see. Yes it's illegal to own a suppressor, but a) it shouldn't be b) no one should have blabbed about it c) the DA should have put it on "low priority, maybe if I live 100 years I'll get to it". Unfortunately those a - c didn't happen. So it's time for d) I sure hope he gets good defense, goes to a jury trial, and one of "us" is on the jury.

I'd like to point out at this point a recent article in the OC Register about the decline and fall of trial by jury (http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/opinion/nationalcolumns/article_1715885.php). I would say that right to trial by jury ranks above the right to vote, free speech, and a whole bunch of other rights in importance. Right to trial by jury is the "last chance" right before recourse to violence. If "us" types were on juries, guys like this would know to demand jury trials and prosecutors would know to stay away from these cases because they would get hung juries. That is exactly what is happening with state-level marijuana cases right now in the big marijuana-producing states, so they have to either prosecute them federally, or leave them alone. That's what should be happening with all these malum prohibitum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malum_prohibitum) gun cases.

(Regarding Bay Area transplants, I'm one of them, btw)

bwiese
11-06-2007, 5:09 PM
:mad: I grew up there and know these people.

I know CR. Who the hell would do that to him? He is a great guy, as is Bobby Bowman*. That is why people don't like newcomers up there. It is a close knit community and they watch out for each other.

What a bunch of crap. And Bill, grow a pair already. "Us" vs. "Them"? When they come for you, don't expect much help from "them", who all happen to be large landowners.

I have
(1) a demonstrably large pair already, with suitable expansion for a couple of future exploits.
(2) I don't need those moutain idiots help up there as they appear to have their own problems that will require expenditure of legal resources for their own stupidity;
(3) we have enough issues defending legal conduct that we don't need to worry about those stupid/brave enough to take risks of blatant violations on a combined state/federal front.

This guy ain't BWO or Sierra Sports or the other FFL, or the other legit folks popped for OLLs early in 2006.

Should these be illegal? Nope.

Do I think an alleged druggie biker with illegally suppressed firearms is worthy of our attention/support when there are far larger issues worthy of political political capital? Absolutely not. He can help himself if he's such a wealthy landowner.

Has he done anything to help gunnies? Nope. Probably not even registered to vote. F' him.

ar15barrels
11-06-2007, 6:11 PM
well.... YMMV but I still think its a bad idea to snort a line of coke off a hookers backside while you parachute your 'bussa down from 16K feet firing an uzi into the air..

Damn, I don't have a busa or any coke, or I could try this...

Pthfndr
11-06-2007, 6:22 PM
Damn, I don't have a busa or any coke, or I could try this...

You mean to say you DO have the hooker?

:)

4 Brigada
11-06-2007, 6:31 PM
I was just thinking that it is a sad day when quirky old hillbillies up in the boonies who don't bother anybody get busted by law enforcement because there is no true crime and they need something to occupy their time.


Probably the same reason the cop that pulled me over in my dodge truck at 8 miles over the speed limit couldnt answer my question, why when there was cars going 15 to 20 miles over did he pull me over. So I answered it for him cause I was the only could catch on his bike and I wouldnt run. Drug dealers and felons are so scary and in most cases the assure job security, and in other few cases extra income for officers

metalhead357
11-06-2007, 6:34 PM
Bowman....
Bowman....

Now why does that name bring to memory a recent good book;)

Off topic, I know...but who wants to talk about a druggie with guns?:cool: OOPS, guess you guys do!

Back on topic//

dondo
11-06-2007, 6:42 PM
I have
(1) a demonstrably large pair already, with suitable expansion for a couple of future exploits.
(2) I don't need those moutain idiots help up there as they appear to have their own problems that will require expenditure of legal resources for their own stupidity;
(3) we have enough issues defending legal conduct that we don't need to worry about those stupid/brave enough to take risks of blatant violations on a combined state/federal front.

This guy ain't BWO or Sierra Sports or the other FFL, or the other legit folks popped for OLLs early in 2006.

Should these be illegal? Nope.

Do I think an alleged druggie biker with illegally suppressed firearms is worthy of our attention/support when there are far larger issues worthy of political political capital? Absolutely not. He can help himself if he's such a wealthy landowner.

Has he done anything to help gunnies? Nope. Probably not even registered to vote. F' him.

For lack of a better word and also the fact I am so jacked up on Jenkum...WORD. While I don't always agree with what is said on these pages, BILL has the biggest and from what I hear the HAIRIEST set here. And for that, I raise my peach jar of human escrement and urine and say.........thank you........and.....I'm seeing trails...and.....I am talking with Abraham Lincoln...........and.............


P.S. If you have a scrap with BILL...don't accuse him of not having a pair. He's no Angelina Jolie when you put him in a dress but he has stepped up for the gun community of CA. He is responsible for a lot of people ,being at the bare minimun, getting educated and at least attempting to clear up some foggy laws governing firearms in CA. I just looked at my nuts and they are like...dry roasted cashews compare to his. Albeit sweetened with honey...but still...dry roasted. Thanks Bill.

Creeping Incrementalism
11-06-2007, 7:12 PM
Do I think an alleged druggie biker with illegally suppressed firearms is worthy of our attention/support when there are far larger issues worthy of political political capital? Absolutely not. He can help himself if he's such a wealthy landowner.

Has he done anything to help gunnies? Nope. Probably not even registered to vote. F' him.

I don't think CR votes, he knew his toys were against the law (though from what I hear he had forgotten about the silencer), and considering the limits of the resources of our side, I understand not being able to help. But "F' him" is a harsh thing to say.

When Bobby Bowman got busted, his sentence was quite light--he was only in jail on the weekends, and from what I hear the DA may possibly not get too tough on CR. But I don't think CR will get his guns back, which is sad. The ones I saw were pretty nice.

Whoever said mixing vices is a bad idea is right. A loose woman may have gotten angry at him, knew about his less than legal habits, and that's how this all get started.

The new sheriff is from Orange County, but I don't think you can get too down on transplants, because everyone in Sierra City is a transplant.

schizrade2, I hadn't heard that one about Bowman :D

dondo
11-06-2007, 7:24 PM
I don't think CR votes, he knew his toys were against the law (though from what I hear he had forgotten about the silencer), and considering the limits of the resources of our side, I understand not being able to help. But "F' him" is a harsh thing to say.

When Bobby Bowman got busted, his sentence was quite light--he was only in jail on the weekends, and from what I hear the DA may possibly not get too tough on CR. But I don't think CR will get his guns back, which is sad. The ones I saw were pretty nice.

Whoever said mixing vices is a bad idea is right. A loose woman may have gotten angry at him, knew about his less than legal habits, and that's how this all get started.

The new sheriff is from Orange County, but I don't think you can get too down on transplants, because everyone in Sierra City is a transplant.

schizrade2, I hadn't heard that one about Bowman :D

He forgot about his silencer? I forgot about a kilo of coke I had stuffed in my (deleted) while coming home from Columbia but that didnt stop me from an intimate date with some hardballers from customs. Lets just say they checked under the hood. And jail on the WEEKENDS? Is this freakin Mayberry?
Anyway, I just saved a ton of money by switching to GEICO.

Creeping Incrementalism
11-06-2007, 9:07 PM
He forgot about his silencer?

Yes, he's a hillbilly biker. He has a bullet in his leg from the Laughlin casino shooting. The sheriff that busted him used to yell at him from across the street to wear more clothing when he gardened. Yes, the sheriff lived within shouting distance of C.R. Sierra County has the lowest population of all counties in CA.

And jail on the WEEKENDS? Is this f***ing Mayberry?

No, this is Sierra City, where Californians visit on the weekends to remember what America used to be like. And the townies already got one a-hole deputy (Aaron Doyle) fired because he was a ***** and the last sheriff wanted to be re-elected.

Anyway. My #1 super-secret plinking spot is in Sierra City too, up a derelict logging road. I have great fun shooting, then when night falls I hang out with the low-tooth-count gold miners. And I really appreciate what freedom is.

Here's a pic of my Sierra County plinking spot. The backstop is a hill just behind the plate, and yes, I pick up all the trash when I'm done.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/pdd/Initial%20setup-1.JPG

ar15barrels
11-06-2007, 9:16 PM
You mean to say you DO have the hooker?

I thought everyone kept one on-ice in the meat locker.
You mean you DON'T have one?
I might have one to spare.
Bring your own trash mags in case she starts to thaw. :sleeping:

bwiese
11-06-2007, 9:24 PM
I thought everyone kept one on-ice in the meat locker.
You mean you DON'T have one?
I might have one to spare.
Bring your own trash mags in case she starts to thaw. :sleeping:


Sick joke from AR15Fan (a cop) on ARFcom on travelling with guns, etc:
"It's legal to drive with a dead hooker in your trunk if your taillights work OK."

.223
11-06-2007, 9:29 PM
snort a line of coke off a hookers backside while you parachute your 'bussa down from 16K feet firing an uzi into the air..


We need to party some time ;)

odysseus
11-06-2007, 10:49 PM
Yes, he's a hillbilly biker. He has a bullet in his leg from the Laughlin casino shooting.

That brings up the assumption of being a Mongol or HA. Are we talking about people here in "Outlaw" MCs, 1%ers?

dondo
11-07-2007, 5:36 AM
Yes, he's a hillbilly biker. He has a bullet in his leg from the Laughlin casino shooting. The sheriff that busted him used to yell at him from across the street to wear more clothing when he gardened. Yes, the sheriff lived within shouting distance of C.R. Sierra County has the lowest population of all counties in CA.



No, this is Sierra City, where Californians visit on the weekends to remember what America used to be like. And the townies already got one a-hole deputy (Aaron Doyle) fired because he was a ***** and the last sheriff wanted to be re-elected.

Anyway. My #1 super-secret plinking spot is in Sierra City too, up a derelict logging road. I have great fun shooting, then when night falls I hang out with the low-tooth-count gold miners. And I really appreciate what freedom is.

Here's a pic of my Sierra County plinking spot. The backstop is a hill just behind the plate, and yes, I pick up all the trash when I'm done.
http://pages.sbcglobal.net/pdd/Initial%20setup-1.JPG

Thats some range. Is that a pair of severed human hands on the table there?

AJAX22
11-07-2007, 6:20 AM
We need to party some time ;)

Sure thing... We're going to need 5k in cash, two motorcycles that are capable of sustaining 140+ mph for a period of 4 hours, two forms of fake ID including prepaid credit cards. A bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue label (200th anerversary edition) and a pair of 1959 Ramon Allones Tubos. Everything else we can get in new orleans on short notice.. ;)

ar15barrels
11-07-2007, 8:02 AM
We're going to need 5k in cash, two motorcycles that are capable of sustaining 140+ mph for a period of 4 hours, two forms of fake ID including prepaid credit cards. A bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue label (200th anerversary edition) and a pair of 1959 Ramon Allones Tubos. Everything else we can get in new orleans on short notice.. ;)

I'm in! :D

bwiese
11-07-2007, 2:45 PM
Sure thing... We're going to need 5k in cash, two motorcycles that are capable of sustaining 140+ mph for a period of 4 hours, two forms of fake ID including prepaid credit cards. A bottle of Johnnie Walker Blue label (200th anniversary edition) and a pair of 1959 Ramon Allones Tubos. Everything else we can get in new orleans on short notice.. ;)

And a Vincent Black Shadow ;)

fairfaxjim
11-07-2007, 9:25 PM
And a Vincent Black Shadow ;)

WOW! Memories.

I'm thinking road trip here.

Hoop
11-08-2007, 7:04 AM
Probably the same reason the cop that pulled me over in my dodge truck at 8 miles over the speed limit couldnt answer my question, why when there was cars going 15 to 20 miles over did he pull me over. So I answered it for him cause I was the only could catch on his bike and I wouldnt run. Drug dealers and felons are so scary and in most cases the assure job security, and in other few cases extra income for officers

That about sums it up.

He could be some 60yr old ZZTop looking guy who bought whatever he has 40 years ago when it was legal, and has no clue that it is now "illegal". And he has medicinal pot, oh noes.

Thank God they got him :rolleyes: .

ccwguy
11-08-2007, 6:42 PM
The local croonies in Sierra City are as bad as the rest up that way. They apparently 'own' the forest with all it's wildlife. The river is theirs too. I have and still do spend a lot of time in the area camping, not a roadsign that isn't shot up in 'Old America'. CR is a dope, met him and his bros many times as far south as the brass rail, quality America there.

MedSpec65
11-08-2007, 7:01 PM
Randy Weaver was well-liked and respected in his rural Idaho community too, until the FBI got a whiff of his action involving nothing more than trading SHOTGUNS to his neighbors without a FFL license. He lost his wife and his son. This happened a few years ago, but I don't really see why it couldn't happen again. Having a Clintonista-appointed FBI Chief could get the ball rolling all over again. Be careful out there.

dondo
11-08-2007, 7:28 PM
oh boy.

Hoop
11-08-2007, 8:17 PM
You guys do realize this is probably 50% of the population out in the hills right?

metalhead357
11-08-2007, 8:19 PM
until the FBI got a whiff of his action involving nothing more than trading SHOTGUNS to his neighbors without a FFL license.

thats NOT the story. He was entraped after ONE sale of ONE shotgun that under 1 telling WAS over 18 inches, the OTHER tale is that it measured 17 7/8". What got him in deep was NOT showing to court...after several completely fouled up communications about the date(s). He had refused to comply with the Feds want for him to spy/entrap some "fringe" elements in his area; the no-show resulted in a warrent for his arrest...the "area" and his alleged prior (the SG) *necessitated*:rolleyes: surveillence...and the rest as they say is history; A mother and child dead over less than a 1/4 of piping........ THIS story here aint anything close to that as I simply DONT see how possession of a silencer in Cali can be even remotely argued *he didn't know*........ Weaver was a God fearing man been worked over by the system; The guy(s) here sound like they were thumbin' or flipping off the system. I may be wrong but nothing said here leads me to believe they were either God fearing men or anything close to resembling "upstanding citizens".............

But the rest of yer' thinking is quite sound;)

johnny_22
11-09-2007, 4:21 AM
Ruby Ridge occurred during the George H.W. Bush administration.

Waco was all Clinton.

schizrade2
11-09-2007, 12:07 PM
You guys do realize this is probably 50% of the population out in the hills right?

Nope, they really don't.

Creeping Incrementalism
11-13-2007, 7:01 PM
The local croonies in Sierra City are as bad as the rest up that way. They apparently 'own' the forest with all it's wildlife. The river is theirs too. I have and still do spend a lot of time in the area camping, not a roadsign that isn't shot up in 'Old America'. CR is a dope, met him and his bros many times as far south as the brass rail, quality America there.

I don't think they are worse than anyone I meet in the suburbs or city, even if they have less teeth. I get along with the hillbillies just fine, and I am a clean-cut UC Berkeley alum. I haven't heard them say they own any part of the forest or river beyond their mining claim, which they legally have exclusive access to. I'm sorry your experiences were negative. CR may have some funny beliefs, but he is a first-rate mechanic who does everything from making a belt-drive system for his Harley to manufacturing a 40'+ wooden flagpole lathe from scratch. Anyway, it appears "flat-landers" are creeping far enough up the mountains now to start telling them what toys they can have.

odysseus, I think he was visiting some old Hell's Angels buddies up in Laughlin.

dondo, those are Blackhawk aviator style gloves with the long gauntlet. I am not impressed because one is coming apart at my index finger after only about 15 hours of use. I've set up more target stands at that spot, but you can't see them all at once because the trees are in the way. It takes me a while to set it up and then clean everything and pack up , so I usually leave it up overnight and do two days worth of plinking there.

Creeping Incrementalism
07-11-2008, 5:16 PM
Update--I talked to C.R. over the 4th of July weekend.

All charges were basically dropped, and total time spent in jail by C.R. was four days. The DA, Larry Allen, is a reasonable man, unlike the Sheriff. He decided to call the silencer a muzzle brake. The assault weapon charges were not pressed (for now, at least) for a reason that wasn't explained to me. C.R. isn't getting them back--he never paid attention to registration requirements. The Sheriff is trying to prevent C.R. from getting his legal guns back with various BS techniques, such as calling a fixed-mag SKS an AW because of the bayonet/mount.

There are also charges on illegally gotten money, as C.R. had some medical marijuana around and cans of change buried in his yard. However, this guy doesn't believe in banks, and received a lot of money as workers comp after injuring himself while attempting to maneuver some manufacturing machinery around the shop, so I think he will get the thousands of dollars of change-filled coffee cans back. The Sheriff is trying to hold the AW charges over C.R.'s head to prevent the return of the money and legal firearms.

Anyway, such is life in the county with the smallest population in California.

SteveH
07-11-2008, 5:49 PM
Yes, he's a hillbilly biker. He has a bullet in his leg from the Laughlin casino shooting.

They going after a gang enhancement on him too?

norcal13
07-11-2008, 7:02 PM
Nope, they really don't.

not one bit.

Stormfeather
07-11-2008, 9:46 PM
well.... YMMV but I still think its a bad idea to snort a line of coke off a hookers backside while you parachute your 'bussa down from 16K feet firing an uzi into the air..

I'm just sayin...

Damn, you are on another level there gambler... :eek: :p

Somewhere in all this, theres a life lesson to be learned, im just not sure where! :D