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jdberger
11-01-2007, 7:30 PM
Gun Guys (or more correctly, Mark Karlin and Associates) are at it again.

In a hysterical posting (hysterical like "EEK, a mouse!") they rail against the "deadly threat of .50 Caliber Sniper Rifles". (http://www.gunguys.com/?p=2610)

Man Shot and Killed After Aiming .50 Caliber Sniper Rifle at Police During Standoff

"Suicide by cop" is how most law enforcement officers describe it when a disturbed person wishes to die, but instead of taking his or her own life chooses instead to provoke an armed standoff and force police officers to use deadly force.

An example is an incident that occurred Tulsa, Oklahoma where Timothy Casey, who "struggled with alcoholism and bi-polar disease", forced a three hour standoff with police. "Then Casey came out of his apartment armed with a .50 caliber rifle with a scope (http://www.50caliberterror.com/) on it and pointed it at officers. Police fired, killing Casey," according to a local TV station. (http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=138881)

Despite the tragic consequences of Casey's death, the incident could have been much worse if Casey fired at police officers with his .50 caliber sniper rifle. He also had a scope for his sniper rifle mind you.

It's terrifying to think what might have happened if an officer was shot with such a devastating weapon. It's ours, and certainly every officer's worst nightmare. A weapon designed to shoot down civilian aircraft (http://www.50caliberterror.com/)during takeoff and landing would devastate and rip apart a person's body if shot by one of these powerful weapons.

So the question is why are these weapons of war available on the civilian market? Secondly, why is an "ex-con fighting demons in his life" in possession of the most powerful sniper rifle available on the civilian market?

Another law abiding gun owner? Of course the gun lobby says that no crimes are committed with .50 caliber sniper rifles.

The gun lobby is clearly lying. The Violence Policy Center lists some of the criminal uses of the .50 caliber sniper rifle (http://www.vpc.org/snipercrime.htm). Now they have another chilling incident to add their list.

Of course, lost in this sad story is the fact that Timothy Casey leaves behind his wife, a son and two young daughters. According to the news story he "had just gotten his welder's certification and who was going to church to try to find his way."

Of course, lost in this sad story is the fact that Timothy Casey leaves behind his wife, a son and two young daughters. According to the news story he "had just gotten his welder's certification and who was going to church to try to find his way."

If only Casey had been able to cope with his "demons" and receive professional help and services this tragedy might have been averted. If only.

And now we're left to ask "what if" a .50 caliber sniper rifle is used in a terrorist attack or to kill a law enforcement officer?

Considering the sheer proliferation of .50 caliber sniper rifles without virtually any controls or regulations, maybe the right question is, sadly, not "if" but "when" a horrific event will occur.




Unfortunately, the geniuses at Gun Guys didn't bother to read the actual news story. (http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=138881)

Jessica says they told police Casey had no black powder for the muzzle loader, but police say they can't take that chance.

:kest::rofl2:

chiefcrash
11-01-2007, 7:38 PM
OMGWTFBBQ

is it just me, or does anyone else notice the suspicious lack of contact information for this website?

M. Sage
11-01-2007, 7:55 PM
I had trouble finding it, but I found it. gunguys@gunguys.com

Wrote 'em a fun letter, too. :p What a bunch of morons.

I'll be sure and let every fence-sitter and especially "it can't happen to me!" type out there know that the anti-gun forces consider a muzzle-loader with a scope on it to be a serious threat as a sniper rifle.

Liberty1
11-01-2007, 7:55 PM
Boy, good thing he didn't attempt to use a .69 caliber Charleville! Those are almost 50% bigger then a .50 caliber muzzle loader, which bring down civilian aircraft no less (well perhaps Ben Franklins kite!). And it is a totally unregulated military weapon whos only purpose is to kill government troops and spread revolution across a whole continent. General Cornwallis must be very proud of our current crop of hysterical prohibitionist "gun guys".

Whats that line from "Sweet Liberty" when the film crew assistant director says to the reenactor: "Here's your gun"? Oh, the reenactor replies, "Its a musket moron".

M. Sage
11-01-2007, 8:05 PM
"...a weapon so powerful and deadly, it isn't even considered a firearm..." :p

jdberger
11-01-2007, 8:09 PM
I'll be sure and let every fence-sitter and especially "it can't happen to me!" type out there know that the anti-gun forces consider a muzzle-loader with a scope on it to be a serious threat as a sniper rifle.

The New York Media has decided to go after the "Muzzle Loader Loophole"

From Arms and the Law (http://armsandthelaw.com/archives/2007/10/new_york_tv_sta.php)


New York TV station focuses on "muzzle-loader loophole"
Posted by David Hardy · 19 October 2007 10:10 AM

Channel 7 (ABC, NYC) is on a crusade... not against "assault weapons," handguns, .50 cals, but to close the musket loophole (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5714222). They have calls in to the Governor's Office, asking what he's going to do about the risk of criminals and lunatics going on a rampage with an 1861 Springfield, or perhaps a flintlock plains rifle.

You can picture the headlines: "SWAT team rushes sniper, takes powder horn from his hand"



paraphrasing Pastor Martin Niemöller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Niem%C3%B6ller)

First they came for the assault weapons, and I didn't speak up because I didn't own an assault weapon....

M. Sage
11-01-2007, 8:12 PM
The New York Media has decided to go after the "Muzzle Loader Loophole"


Yeah, I've seen that and thought it was idiotic. The best part about this, though, is that they're calling a muzzle-loader a sniper rifle capable of blowing a cop apart. It just doesn't get more misinformed than that, really.

RRangel
11-01-2007, 8:16 PM
It's the so called "Freedom States Alliance" that are behind that garbage. More like statist alliance. How very weak.

http://www.freedomstatesalliance.com/splash.php?redirect=fsa

M. Sage
11-01-2007, 8:19 PM
My fave so far:

http://www.licensetomurder.com/main.php

They list CA as green. Morons, we've got 2/3 of Castle.

shark92651
11-01-2007, 8:36 PM
Let them know how you feel:

Contact Information
Freedom States Alliance
P.O. Box 618363
Chicago, IL 60661
Phone: 312-575-0493
Fax: 312-474-1742
Email: info@freedomstatesalliance.org
Web: www.freedomstatesalliance.org

CCWFacts
11-01-2007, 8:46 PM
would devastate and rip apart a person's body if shot by one of these powerful weapons.

No more or less than any of a dozen other big-bore hunting calibers that have been around for decades. Not much different from being hit with a load of buckshot or whatever.

5968
11-01-2007, 9:08 PM
More idiots spewing hot **** from their mouths. I really love when people talk about things they know nothing about.

Knight
11-01-2007, 9:08 PM
Great stuff! lol!

CCWFacts
11-01-2007, 9:18 PM
Wow, I read the rest of the article. They are LIARS. They are not just making a mistake, they are LIARS.

Anyone who looks into it finds that the Brady Campaign etc are full of outright liars and is run / endorsed by so many pistol-packing hypocrites (http://blog.riflegear.com/articles/the-hypocrisy-of-sylvester-stallone.aspx).

A "weapon of war". Yeah, 150 years ago that would have been a awesome weapon of war. "Take out an airplane". Yeah, a paper plane. Not moving.

AJAX22
11-01-2007, 9:48 PM
Its interesting that the VPC link that that article points at (the one that lists criminal use of the evil 50 cal rifles) Focuses on the CRIME OF OWNERSHIP and posession, not on criminal misuse.....

so if the only crimes being committed is people having them..... and they are the ones trying to make them illigal.... anyone see a problem with this logic?

jdberger
11-01-2007, 10:12 PM
a lot of you guys missed it....The Gun Guys think that the scoped rifle the guy was pointing at the cops was a .50 BMG rifle. They didn't catch that it was Revolutionary War era technology. Why? Because they don't know what the heck they are talking about!

Essentially, this guy saw a Schwinn, identified that it had two wheels and called it a Harley.

The more you watch the guys like this Mark Karlin, VPC, Brady, etc...the more you realize how little they understand about us, our hobby and the politics behind it.

Oh, and Gun Guys is Freedom States Alliance is .50 Caliber Terror. It's just his way of getting more money from the Joyce Foundation.

ETD1010
11-01-2007, 11:04 PM
Wait a minute... that story said the .50 cal was DESIGNED to shoot down aircraft upon take-off and landing... the .50 BMG was from like.. WWI, or something wasn't it??? maybe anti-material.. but NOT anti-747.... jeez....

rkt88edmo
11-01-2007, 11:11 PM
When you link to their articles and site you might just be pushing their search engine scores higher.

sierratangofoxtrotunion
11-01-2007, 11:19 PM
I think that's beside the fact that it'd be a "difficult" shot considering the target is moving 100+ mph.

EastBayRidge
11-02-2007, 5:55 AM
Background on the development of the .50 BMG here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_BMG).

jdberger
11-02-2007, 7:25 AM
When you link to their articles and site you might just be pushing their search engine scores higher.

Maybe...but I'd rather Joyce Foundation $$ go to idiots like this, who are completely incapable of influencing opinions (remember their hysterical Elmo post) than the Bradys.

But, since I like to remain informed, any suggestions on how to point folks to the site without pushing the search engine scores higher?

Glock22Fan
11-02-2007, 7:47 AM
any suggestions on how to point folks to the site without pushing the search engine scores higher?

Phrase the link so people can reconstruct it.

Instead of, say, www.google.com, write www(dot)google(dot)com

Army
11-03-2007, 1:14 AM
Having seen plenty of people with 1/2" holes in front of them, and 3" holes in the back, I'm not really sure of the "devastating" power of the .50 on humans....or even Cops for that matter :) I've yet to see anyone blown into itty-bitty pieces from a .50 hit. Well, sure, the one terrs head was split like a ripe melon, but a .357 will do that too.

Remember, anti-gunners do not care about truth. They only care that others hear them saying it over, and over, and over, and over.....