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Prc329
10-29-2007, 7:37 AM
I have my SPS, I have my AICS, I have my bolt knob and recoil lug. I also have my muzzle brake. All that is missing is my barrel. Good news is it should be done hopefully this week but more likely next week. I just received happy news that my 5R, AMU, 1-10, stainless steel Mike Rock is contoured and awaiting rifling. If everything goes as planned it should ship no later then middle of next week. If that holds true they are running a week ahead of schedule.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 7:49 AM
How many weeks did it take and what did it cost? Its unfluted, right?

Should be pretty sweet. With the weight of that barrel and a brake, the recoil is going to be next to nothing. Be sure to post pics.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 7:57 AM
supposed to take 6 to 8 weeks. If the guy I spoke with was right it will be 4 1/2. $300

wildcard
10-29-2007, 8:19 AM
Going to be a sweet rifle. $300 for the barrel doesn't sound bad at all!

rksimple
10-29-2007, 8:22 AM
Is it $300 shipped? Not to split hairs or anything, but I have to order the 260 barrel. If rock can get them done in 4 -5 weeks, I'll do it.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:27 AM
Is it $300 shipped? Not to split hairs or anything, but I have to order the 260 barrel. If rock can get them done in 4 -5 weeks, I'll do it.

I say order it. Mike Rock has an outstanding reputation. Quality over quantity.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:29 AM
my build is gonna be awhile till it's done. Told Randy to take his time, cause my scope will not be finished till around end of Jan.

i'm going to stick with the good ol' fashioned .308

Prc329
10-29-2007, 8:30 AM
I gotta check my credit card but I believe it was about $310 shipped.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:31 AM
I gotta check my credit card but I believe it was about $310 shipped.

thats sounds about right. fluting is an extra $100. i would get it fluted, nayt. better accuracy, and less weight.

my build is very similar to yours.

aics 2.0 (black), remington 700 action trued, Rock AMU 5R fluted 1:11twist 24" overall length with badger brake, badger recoil lug, tactical bolt mod, seekins 20moa base, seekins 35mm rings, with uso sn3 t-pal scope with 35mm tubing, harris swivel bipod with eagle claws, and tis sling. only thing i'm missing will be my grenade launcher and i'm good to go! :)

Prc329
10-29-2007, 8:33 AM
I have kicked around the idea of a different calibers in a second gun, especially after seeing those guys shooting the 243s this weekend. I like 308 so I think I will be sticking with it until California bands everything but rimfire.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 8:34 AM
thats sounds about right. fluting is an extra $100. i would get it fluted, nayt. better accuracy, and less weight.

That was the reason I was calling but since it is that close I got a little happy and didn't ask for it to be added.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 8:36 AM
Now I want a custom rifle too..

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:38 AM
That was the reason I was calling but since it is that close I got a little happy and didn't ask for it to be added.

get randy to flute it. same pricing. same quality.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:39 AM
Now I want a custom rifle too..


you do have one. your 6.5grandel project. superior ballastics than a .308

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:41 AM
.308 is much more practical to shoot untill the odd ball calibers get fully commercialized.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 8:42 AM
you do have one. your 6.5grandel project. superior ballastics than a .308

crap.. that's right.. i forgot about that. too many things going on! i'm sure i'll remember when they charge me the $500 for the barrel + bolt.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 8:45 AM
crap.. that's right.. i forgot about that. too many things going on! i'm sure i'll remember when they charge me the $500 for the barrel + bolt.

since you started it, finish it. i'm sure it'll pay out at the end. yep, costly project. it's like buying the original apple IIe computer when it first came out. remington 700s are like the pcs, and the grendel6.5 is like the apple.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 8:52 AM
I got to shoot DJ's 6.5. Very nice and smooth. Recoil was what you would expect from an AR15.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 9:00 AM
I got to shoot DJ's 6.5. Very nice and smooth. Recoil was what you would expect from an AR15.

Then you'll love firing mine with a Enidine Hydraulic Buffer and JP Tactical Compensator/ Bennie Coooley Brake :) I need to buy more brass.. the 300 that I have will slowly get lost i'm sure.

Does anyone have some money I can HAVE :cool2:

Prc329
10-29-2007, 9:06 AM
That thing will probably not move at all. **** the recoil from that JP recoil eliminator was um eliminated :)

rksimple
10-29-2007, 9:09 AM
Fluting does NOT increase accuracy, given the same contour barrel. And it should be done before the rifling. Randy told me he didn't like to do fluting after the contoured barrel is already done. Something about stresses induced after fluting.

Check this out:

http://www.varmintal.com/aflut.htm

wildcard
10-29-2007, 9:23 AM
Lighter isn't neccessarily better. I like them heavy as long as they're not overly heavy. It really depends on what you're going to do with your rifle. Short of having to carry it on a sling while hiking many miles, i wouldn't compromise on the the stabilitly you get (in most positions you'll use a bolt action in) from a heavy barrel.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 9:23 AM
i've read on test, before and after fluting, and fluting did decrease group size.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 9:25 AM
my rifle is going toward the 18lb mark with the fluted barrel. gonna need a crane to carry that thing around. should be a solid prone rifle though.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 9:53 AM
my rifle is going toward the 18lb mark with the fluted barrel. gonna need a crane to carry that thing around. should be a solid prone rifle though.

That thing isn't going to move.

A fluted #7 contour will not be as stiff as an unfluted #7. However, given a barrel of the same weight, you get more rigidity from a larger diameter fluted barrel than a smaller contour unfluted.

Either way, its going to be one heavy a**, accurate rifle.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 9:59 AM
my rifle is going toward the 18lb mark with the fluted barrel. gonna need a crane to carry that thing around. should be a solid prone rifle though.

Better hope Bill doesn't do anymore off hand stages! Or you could start lifting again.

I think I'm going with a heavy palma contour. Seems like a good comprimise.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 10:00 AM
ya the fluted issue is a controversial issue, but either case i'm sure the rifle will outshoot me. i will have alot of practice though!

Prc329
10-29-2007, 10:03 AM
Mine should be very similar in weight to Bill's rifle. It may actually be heavier because I believe my IOR weights more then the Nikon.

I need to find a different way to attach a sling to the rear of the stock. With the stock pack on it the rear sling points are covered.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 10:05 AM
ya the fluted issue is a controversial issue, but either case i'm sure the rifle will outshoot me. i will have alot of practice though!

Well, you never see any BR rifles with flutes.

You went with a #7 fluted, right. Do you know the weight on it? Its a great combo of rigidity and weight. The fluted Rock I saw had some pretty deep flutes. Looked awesome.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 10:06 AM
Mine should be very similar in weight to Bill's rifle. It may actually be heavier because I believe my IOR weights more then the Nikon.

I need to find a different way to attach a sling to the rear of the stock. With the stock pack on it the rear sling points are covered.


Bill drilled and tapped the aluminum body of the stock for a swivel. Its pretty sweet. There was a thread on SH regarding another fix as well. I'll look for it.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 10:08 AM
Cool. I like the feel of the stock even better with the pack. The cheek piece is a little slick on the AICS. The stock gives you a pretty nice surface to rest on.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 10:10 AM
Cool. I like the feel of the stock even better with the pack. The cheek piece is a little slick on the AICS. The stock gives you a pretty nice surface to rest on.

I agree. The stock pack is a must for my rifle.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 10:16 AM
Well, you never see any BR rifles with flutes.

You went with a #7 fluted, right. Do you know the weight on it? Its a great combo of rigidity and weight. The fluted Rock I saw had some pretty deep flutes. Looked awesome.

i'm not 100% sure if it's the 7 fluted. i just told him to get it fluted.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 10:22 AM
my rifle is going toward the 18lb mark with the fluted barrel. gonna need a crane to carry that thing around. should be a solid prone rifle though.

You better start working out..

Prc329
10-29-2007, 10:27 AM
What I want to know is how does Sniper Country PX have better availability of AI accessories the Tac Pro? Tac Pro is still out of mags and SCP has everything in stock and now stocks accessories. I'm going to order a hand stop and look into having a sling swivel installed on one or get the one with the sling loop but I would have to take the attachment off of my current sling.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 10:29 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about the strap-on Eagle/ Blackhawk cheekpieces anymore assuming you have an adjustable cheekpiece. Seems like a lot of bulk. I sort of like the idea of just using a spray adhesive (3M-90) and glueing on a piece of dense closed cell foam to eliminate any slippage and essentially doing what the aftermarket cheekpieces would accomplish without the weight or bulk. And of course the foam and glue will me removable with a little peeling and Goo-Gone! Won't damamge the cheekpiece none..

Timberwolf
10-29-2007, 10:30 AM
Pete you better start doing some forearm curls and tricep pulls. Savannah will wear you out in off hand. After carrying her for almost two years I now pick up a stock 700P and think how light they are.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 10:36 AM
i'm not 100% sure if it's the 7 fluted. i just told him to get it fluted.

He likes #7's and m24 contours and such so probably. Its gonna be a kick a** rifle.

I shot Bill's and it was super easy to shoot. A very stable platform indeed.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 10:39 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about the strap-on Eagle/ Blackhawk cheekpieces anymore assuming you have an adjustable cheekpiece. Seems like a lot of bulk. I sort of like the idea of just using a spray adhesive (3M-90) and glueing on a piece of dense closed cell foam to eliminate any slippage and essentially doing what the aftermarket cheekpieces would accomplish without the weight or bulk. And of course the foam and glue will me removable with a little peeling and Goo-Gone! Won't damamge the cheekpiece none..

The stock pack works so well for me because I did not need to adjust the height of the cheek piece. No one should be shooting my rifle but me so I could careless about adjusting it once I got it to fit me. It also is nice to have the pocket on the rifle so when I get my load down after I get my new barrel installed I can have ballistics cards printed and keep them in there. I am also going to put a pick of my kids in it for good luck.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 10:46 AM
The stock pack works so well for me because I did not need to adjust the height of the cheek piece. No one should be shooting my rifle but me so I could careless about adjusting it once I got it to fit me. It also is nice to have the pocket on the rifle so when I get my load down after I get my new barrel installed I can have ballistics cards printed and keep them in there. I am also going to put a pick of my kids in it for good luck.

Having a little pocket for a small notepad and some extra ammo on board is pretty nice. Its not bulky at all. And it has a sueded surface for your cheek...oh...its so comfy...

Prc329
10-29-2007, 10:49 AM
Oh and don't do what I did and assume it doesn't fit. The straps are on velcro and can be lengthened. Once I had my "you stupid ****" moment it went one very well and works great. I used it during the match and it felt really good.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 10:50 AM
Having a little pocket for a small notepad and some extra ammo on board is pretty nice. Its not bulky at all. And it has a sueded surface for your cheek...oh...its so comfy...

Yeah.. I got one and the pocket is quite nice for keeping notes in.. maybe i'm just pissed that I lost a catridge in the field :o

Vu 308
10-29-2007, 10:52 AM
Either way you can't go wrong with a Mike Rock barrel. Mike is a cool guy and a strong supporter of our shooting community.

I have a fluted 1:11 5R sitting in the safe that may end up on my SPR.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 12:43 PM
Pete you better start doing some forearm curls and tricep pulls. Savannah will wear you out in off hand. After carrying her for almost two years I now pick up a stock 700P and think how light they are.

i stopped working out when i had my baby. i lost over 10lbs of muscle. i used to be able to rep 95lbs. i would be lucky to rep 65lbs now.

i should start lifting again soon. keeps me from this forum called, calguns. guys from this forum make you spend too much $$$. hehee.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 12:45 PM
i stopped working out when i had my baby. i lost over 10lbs of muscle. i used to be able to rep 95lbs. i would be lucky to rep 65lbs now.

i should start lifting again soon. keeps me from this forum called, calguns. guys from this forum make you spend too much $$$. hehee.

Speaking of too much money, we just spent $740 on reloading supplies.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 12:56 PM
Speaking of too much money, we just spent $740 on reloading supplies.


don't remind me, evil man. it's all your fault. :)

rksimple
10-29-2007, 1:08 PM
Speaking of too much money, we just spent $740 on reloading supplies.

On what? Dang...Speaking of which, I'm going to stop by that guys house (you know the guy who got all that reloading stuff from the widow) and see what he has left. I'll let you know if there's anything good.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 1:10 PM
On what? Dang...Speaking of which, I'm going to stop by that guys house (you know the guy who got all that reloading stuff from the widow) and see what he has left. I'll let you know if there's anything good.


hook it up if he has anything left! i also shoot pistols, 9mm and .45acp.

jason and i bought the usual: powder, primers, and bullets.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 1:13 PM
hook it up if he has anything left! i also shoot pistols, 9mm and .45acp.

jason and i bought the usual: powder, primers, and bullets.

I think he has a buttload of cast 45's. I'll look.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 1:34 PM
thats sounds about right. fluting is an extra $100. i would get it fluted, nayt. better accuracy, and less weight.

Fluting does NOT make a barrel more accurate unless you also make the barrel larger in diameter before you flute it in order to try to increase rigidity.
Of course this just makes the barrel heavier overall because fluting does not remove nearly as much weight as profiling down to a slightly smaller diameter.

Accuracy comes from the quality of the barrel, crown, chamber job, rigidity of the barrel and the consistency of the bedding of the action into the stock.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 1:36 PM
it's like buying the original apple IIe computer when it first came out. remington 700s are like the pcs, and the grendel6.5 is like the apple.

Good analogy.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 2:39 PM
On what? Dang...Speaking of which, I'm going to stop by that guys house (you know the guy who got all that reloading stuff from the widow) and see what he has left. I'll let you know if there's anything good.

8# IMR 6064, 6# RL-22, 3000 Primers for me..

8# Varget, 5000 Prmers, 500 Lapua Scenars for Pete..

There you go.. $700+ dollars :(

I'll take anything to keep my addiction costs manageable..

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 2:41 PM
Fluting does NOT make a barrel more accurate unless you also make the barrel larger in diameter before you flute it in order to try to increase rigidity.
Of course this just makes the barrel heavier overall because fluting does not remove nearly as much weight as profiling down to a slightly smaller diameter.

Accuracy comes from the quality of the barrel, crown, chamber job, rigidity of the barrel and the consistency of the bedding of the action into the stock.

many people will say it doesn't increase accuracy, but i still like the flutes. my barrel in either case will be good to go.

worse case scenario, it makes the rifle look good.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 2:43 PM
8# IMR 6064, 6# RL-22, 3000 Primers for me..

8# Varget, 5000 Prmers, 500 Lapua Scenars for Pete..

There you go.. $700+ dollars :(

I'll take anything to keep my addiction costs manageable..

easy come, easy go.

spend all your money! inflation is rising. hehee. or better yet, give me your money before it becomes worthless.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 2:59 PM
Must resist gambling this weekend in Vegas.. it's like giving away gun money. Wait.. maybe I can WIN money and even buy more stuff!

Maybe I should go hiking on Sunday in Red Rock to avoid the Casinos. I'm not an addict.. but I usually do enjoy playing and losing up to $100.. but that could be $100 of reloading components! I blame Peter and Ryan for telling me about the trip.. who am I kidding.. it's going to be fun :D

Mute
10-29-2007, 3:29 PM
Let's put this to rest once and for all. A fluted barrel is not stiffer nor more accurate than an unfluted barrel of the same profile as that of the fluted barrel previous to the fluting. It may be more accurate and should be stiffer than an unfluted barrel of the same weight.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 3:44 PM
Must resist gambling this weekend in Vegas.. it's like giving away gun money. Wait.. maybe I can WIN money and even buy more stuff!

Maybe I should go hiking on Sunday in Red Rock to avoid the Casinos. I'm not an addict.. but I usually do enjoy playing and losing up to $100.. but that could be $100 of reloading components! I blame Peter and Ryan for telling me about the trip.. who am I kidding.. it's going to be fun :D

To resist the casinos, we can go by the gun store and rent the m249. That'll keep us busy for a while.

wildcard
10-29-2007, 3:52 PM
To resist the casinos, we can go by the gun store and rent the m249. That'll keep us busy for a while.

That'll keep us busy for about 15 seconds at the cost of about $100. I say we go fire some tracer rounds out of Pete's gun at some propane tanks..

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 4:00 PM
no need of wasting ammo on a machine gun. i rather gourge on a $100 dinner.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 4:54 PM
no need of wasting ammo on a machine gun. i rather gourge on a $100 dinner.

$100 on dinner!!??? You sure you don't want taco bell, followed by tracers out of your gun?

Prc329
10-29-2007, 4:56 PM
Glad I ordered all this stuff already. Damn dog needs surgery. Looks like after I sell my IOR and buy the big knob I won't be buying any gun stuff till the beginning of the year. I am not using the gunsmith work money so I got a few things to sell off :(

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 5:17 PM
$100 on dinner!!??? You sure you don't want taco bell, followed by tracers out of your gun?

i don't want to spend a $100 on tracers or dinner. saturday afternoon is set aside for my wife. i got to take her shopping.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 5:18 PM
Glad I ordered all this stuff already. Damn dog needs surgery. Looks like after I sell my IOR and buy the big knob I won't be buying any gun stuff till the beginning of the year. I am not using the gunsmith work money so I got a few things to sell off :(

your scope is gonna sell fast.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 5:31 PM
Let's put this to rest once and for all. A fluted barrel is not stiffer nor more accurate than an unfluted barrel of the same profile as that of the fluted barrel previous to the fluting. It may be more accurate and should be stiffer than an unfluted barrel of the same weight.

Correct.
The fluted barrel of the same profile is no more accurate due to fluting.
It's actually less rigid due to the fluting, so there's more likelyhood of the barrel getting less accurate.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 5:34 PM
your scope is gonna sell fast.

It's already sold.
He just has to take it off the rifle and hand it to me...

Prc329
10-29-2007, 5:39 PM
It's already sold.
He just has to take it off the rifle and hand it to me...

Yup. I'll call you and talk tomorrow.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 5:40 PM
how much did you sell it for, if you don't mind me asking?

wildcard
10-29-2007, 5:42 PM
Glad I ordered all this stuff already. Damn dog needs surgery. Looks like after I sell my IOR and buy the big knob I won't be buying any gun stuff till the beginning of the year. I am not using the gunsmith work money so I got a few things to sell off :(

I think my dog has a cavity.. I got to take mine in :(

rksimple
10-29-2007, 5:53 PM
I think my dog has a cavity.. I got to take mine in :(

I don't do dogs...

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 5:54 PM
Correct.
The fluted barrel of the same profile is no more accurate due to fluting.
It's actually less rigid due to the fluting, so there's more likelyhood of the barrel getting less accurate.

i wouldn't say less accurate either. fluting looks better, and it has a high possibility of reducing heat faster than a normal heavy bull barrel.

Prc329
10-29-2007, 6:06 PM
i wouldn't say less accurate either. fluting looks better, and it has a high possibility of reducing heat faster than a normal heavy bull barrel.

Now that is the big debate. Some say it will enhance cooling, others say it will heat up faster. Until someone sits down with the exact same barrel on the same gun and test it we will probably never know. Say take a savae or some other easy to rebarrel gun and two identical barrels and see what happens.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 6:08 PM
i wouldn't say less accurate either. fluting looks better, and it has a high possibility of reducing heat faster than a normal heavy bull barrel.

I'd worry much more about whats on the inside of the barrel, than whats on the outside.

Theoretically, the more material you have in a barrel, the stiffer and therefore more potentially accuracte it can be. Fluting will remove this material.

Given the shooting we do, I don't think we'll ever notice a difference. You're going to love it Pete.

rksimple
10-29-2007, 6:10 PM
Now that is the big debate. Some say it will enhance cooling, others say it will heat up faster. Until someone sits down with the exact same barrel on the same gun and test it we will probably never know. Say take a savae or some other easy to rebarrel gun and two identical barrels and see what happens.

It will cool faster, but with less mass, it will heat up quicker too. Its physics.

This is all theory to me. I doubt I'll ever be good enough to realize a difference between two quality barrels, fluted or not.

PistolPete75
10-29-2007, 6:15 PM
well, when i get that rifle in my hands. i'll give you peeps a full range report.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 8:29 PM
Now that is the big debate. Some say it will enhance cooling, others say it will heat up faster.

If it's lighter, it heats up faster.
It's only a matter of mass that determines how fast something heats and cools.
Surface area is also a factor, but the differences in surface area are not enough to offset the loss of the mass that the fluting removed.

In the end, it's a wash.

If you like the looks, that's fine.

ar15barrels
10-29-2007, 8:31 PM
Until someone sits down with the exact same barrel on the same gun and test it we will probably never know. Say take a savae or some other easy to rebarrel gun and two identical barrels and see what happens.

Not two different barrels, you have to use the SAME barrel.
That way you are controlling for all factors.

The problem is that a statistical sample of one is worthless.