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usmchugheskl
03-30-2013, 9:52 AM
The new bill regarding the Secret Service, SB-13-013, passed on a nearly party line vote in the Democrat-controlled House and is now awaiting the governor’s signature. The bill grants members of the Secret Service arrest powers by considering them to be a peace officer, putting them on a par with state law-enforcement officials with respect to arrest authority.

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http://mobile.wnd.com/2013/03/state-grants-secret-service-vast-new-powers/

ke6guj
03-30-2013, 10:15 AM
How is this relevant to 2A discussion?

right here
A bill is heading to Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper’s desk that Republican lawmakers say would give members of the Secret Service broad arrest powers in the state and could provide a framework for federal agents eventually to enforce gun restrictions.

“This is absolutely insane,” Rep. Lori Saine, R-Dacono, said. “In theory if a Secret Service agent is in a county where the sheriff has refused to enforce some of the recent unenforceable gun laws, the agent could arrest an individual if he believes the law has been broken.”

The idea actually aligns with an Obama agenda to create vast new restrictions and regulations on guns. WND has reported that hundreds of sheriffs nationwide, including many in Colorado, have said they cannot enforce federal restrictions that would violate the Second Amendment.

RickD427
03-30-2013, 10:20 AM
How is this relevant to 2A discussion?
How is this relevant to California?

Chainsaw,

It's quite relevant to the 2A discussion. The author describes one consequence of the bill is that it would give Secret Service agents the authority to enforce state laws governing weapons in cases were elected sheriffs decline to do so. The net effect would be to undermine local control over the enforcement of laws.

The OP was a little misleading. It wasn't until I was well into the article that it became clear this was a bill in COLORADO legislature. Being a reader on the CAL(CALIFORNIA)GUNS website, I just woulda assumed we were talking about California. The OP still has a good discussion point. Poor laws have a nasty habit of creeping across state lines.

SilverTauron
03-30-2013, 10:35 AM
Interesting.

IMO, realistically there aren't enough Federal agents to make a dent in the number of guns in circulation. They'd need a huge staff of people to comb through the national and state records just to even get a general idea of which doors to knock on. Even with the USSS and ATF combined, Obama doesnt have enough bodies to advance his agenda and he knows it.

Hence the reliance on local law enforcement. What Obama wants is a nationwide law which is actually enforced, not a status quo where California follows DC and Montana ignores the same. What he fails to realize is that the cops in Red State America really are ordinary people, not a privlidged Pretorean Guard.

usmchugheskl
03-30-2013, 11:29 AM
Yes sorry It's not Related to CA right now but seemed interesting enough that it would work its was here

infringed711
03-30-2013, 11:36 AM
Not like the Gestapo at all...secret police able to arrest anyone anywhere for thinking they had broken the law...for ****s sake it's called the secret service. And as for numbers I expect to see them bolster them here shortly

anthonyca
03-30-2013, 11:56 AM
Interesting.

IMO, realistically there aren't enough Federal agents to make a dent in the number of guns in circulation. They'd need a huge staff of people to comb through the national and state records just to even get a general idea of which doors to knock on. Even with the USSS and ATF combined, Obama doesnt have enough bodies to advance his agenda and he knows it.

Hence the reliance on local law enforcement. What Obama wants is a nationwide law which is actually enforced, not a status quo where California follows DC and Montana ignores the same. What he fails to realize is that the cops in Red State America really are ordinary people, not a privlidged Pretorean Guard.

Have you ever been on any public land in the west? Have you not run into federal officers? Going house to house to confiscate takes a lot more people. Harassing people for exercising rights can and in some cases is being done already.

mjmagee67
03-30-2013, 12:07 PM
The SS has always had arrest powers, they are full time peace offices. They normally enforce Fed laws, think counterfeiting currency. But they can arrest on state and local laws.

RickD427
03-30-2013, 12:42 PM
The SS has always had arrest powers, they are full time peace offices. They normally enforce Fed laws, think counterfeiting currency. But they can arrest on state and local laws.

Sir,

I believe that you are mistaken here.

Secret Service agents are not peace officers. Penal Code section 830.8 provides them with state powers of arrest only of they have completed state training requirements and have been certified to exercise those powers. Section 830.8 also specifically provides they are not peace officers even if trained and certified.

Even if they do not meet the training and certification requirements of section 830.8, agents still possess arrest authority under Penal Code section 837, which is the same arrest authority provided to every other private person in the state.

Secret Service agents draw their authority from the United States Code (18 USC 3056) and do not need additional state authority to perform their duties. There is no language in 18 USC 3056 that confers federal "peace officer" status upon Secret Service agents. For that matter, I'm not aware of any official usage of the term "peace officer" in relation to federal officers.

Tincon
03-30-2013, 12:43 PM
WND, responsible for 90% of the FUD on the internet since, whenever they started.

Actual bill:
SECTION 1. In Colorado Revised Statutes, add 16-2.5-150 as follows: 16-2.5-150. Federal secret service agents.

(1) A SPECIAL AGENT, UNIFORM DIVISION OFFICER, PHYSICAL SECURITY TECHNICIAN, PHYSICAL SECURITY SPECIALIST, OR SPECIAL OFFICER OF THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE, REFERRED TO IN THIS SECTION AS A "SECRET SERVICE AGENT", IN ANY JURISDICTION WITHIN THE STATE OF COLORADO, IS A PEACE OFFICER WHOSE AUTHORITY IS LIMITED AS PROVIDED IN THIS SECTION.THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT IS A PEACE OFFICER IN THE FOLLOWING CIRCUMSTANCES:

(a) (I) RESPONDING TO A NONFEDERAL FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR THAT HAS BEEN COMMITTED IN HIS OR HER PRESENCE;

(II) RESPONDING TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION IN WHICH HE OR SHE HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT A NONFEDERAL FELONY OR MISDEMEANOR INVOLVING INJURY OR THREAT OF INJURY TO A PERSON OR PROPERTY HAS BEEN, OR IS BEING, COMMITTED AND IMMEDIATE ACTION IS REQUIRED TO PREVENT ESCAPE, SERIOUS BODILY INJURY, OR DESTRUCTION OF PROPERTY;

(III) RENDERING ASSISTANCE AT THE REQUEST OF A COLORADO PEACE OFFICER; OR

(IV) EFFECTING AN ARREST OR PROVIDING ASSISTANCE AS PART OF A BONA FIDE TASK FORCE OR JOINT INVESTIGATION WITH COLORADO PEACE OFFICERS; AND (b) THE SECRET SERVICE AGENT ACTS IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS OF HIS OR HER EMPLOYING AGENCY.

(3) UPON EFFECTING AN ARREST UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THIS SECTION, A SECRET SERVICE AGENT SHALL IMMEDIATELY SURRENDER CUSTODY OF THE ARRESTED INDIVIDUAL TO A COLORADO PEACE OFFICER.

(5) NOTHING IN THIS SECTION SHALL BE CONSTRUED TO EXPAND THE AUTHORITY OF FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS TO INITIATE OR CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATION INTO VIOLATIONS OF COLORADO LAW

Not much different than the powers an ordinary citizen has here in CA. Take your :TFH: off.

Doheny
04-05-2013, 9:25 PM
WND, responsible for 90% of the FUD on the internet since, whenever they started.
.

Brietbart and the DailyCaller make up the other 10%

Legasat
04-06-2013, 11:24 AM
This is being put in place to arrest any and all Sheriffs who refuse to go against the Constitution, aka confiscate our firearms. I would say this is VERY 2A related.

Jwtechnic
04-07-2013, 9:26 PM
This is being put in place to arrest any and all Sheriffs who refuse to go against the Constitution, aka confiscate our firearms. I would say this is VERY 2A related.

i would have to agree.

gobler
04-07-2013, 10:06 PM
Wow, who would have thought the second revolution would start with different LE agencies arresting one another... :eek: Things are going to get interesting... :popcorn:

Doheny
04-07-2013, 10:26 PM
Before folks get spun up again, this was covered and debunked in another thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=739052

lrdchivalry
04-08-2013, 12:25 PM
Before folks get spun up again, this was covered and debunked in another thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=739052

Something to add.

There are already other states (http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0042.htm) that recognize federal leo's as peace officers in those respective states, Colorado would be no different with the exception that this bill would limit it to the secret service. Is there the potential for abuse by federal leo's? Sure, however, I don't think it would come from being recognized by a state as a peace officer.

bwiese
04-08-2013, 12:48 PM
Something to add.

There are already other states (http://www.cga.ct.gov/2010/rpt/2010-R-0042.htm) that recognize federal leo's as peace officers in those respective states, Colorado would be no different with the exception that this bill would limit it to the secret service. Is there the potential for abuse by federal leo's? Sure, however, I don't think it would come from being recognized by a state as a peace officer.

Yup, the paranoia here is just tinfoil nuttery.

Esp since the SS agent without these powers can just call a US Marshal or FBI agent etc.

ja308
04-08-2013, 2:05 PM
Passed by democrats and opposed by Republicans . If the law has no purpose why write it?

Nick Justice
04-08-2013, 2:54 PM
It's relevent to CA. Here, the gov't is always dreaming up new and oppressive ways to trample rights and expand powers, without reason or excuse. Remember how the LA mayor said "NY has responded and we must answer the call" about mag capacity? We don't need anyone to give ideas to the CA dems. They make more than enough trouble by themselves.

Dr.Lou
04-08-2013, 3:06 PM
The SS has always had arrest powers, they are full time peace offices. They normally enforce Fed laws, think counterfeiting currency. But they can arrest on state and local laws.

Yep, it looks to be merely symbolic - trying to send a message to local law enforcement. Along the same vane as laws passed by MT, AK, et al, that make the enforcement of Federal laws in those states by the Feds a crime. Neither are worth the paper they're written on. Loke many laws, just makes folks feel good. One major item often overlooked by lawmakers when crafting these obsurd laws is, who's going to enforce them? Moreover, I doubt that the CO legislature confired with the Feds before voting on it. :facepalm: The Feds have other fish to fry....

Hoooper
04-08-2013, 3:28 PM
Brietbart and the DailyCaller make up the other 10%

im pretty sure nypost.com and latimes.com get in their fair servings of FUD, with honorable mentions going to news.yahoo.com, msnbc.com, etc.

tpc13
04-08-2013, 3:39 PM
Bottom line Obamas tired of law enforcement not wanting to follow his form of government. He's getting ready for civil war Legally speaking. He putting things in order so he can dismantle local law enforcement agencies.

cmichini
04-08-2013, 6:45 PM
When the Secret Service begins living up to their fiscal obligations, and starts paying those prostitutes for services rendered, THEN I'll consider them to be on the correct side of the law.

Right now, they're frauds and in breach of contract.