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lmnop
10-27-2007, 4:19 PM
REGISTRATION
Are all guns registered with law enforcement? Partial

California - :confused:State law only requires registration of assault weapons. No state requirement that other firearms be registered.:confused: Police do not known how many guns are in the state or where they are. The lack of registration makes it difficult for police to trace guns used in crime, identify illegal gun traffickers or hold gun owners accountable for the illegal use of their weapons. State law enforcement has kept records on handgun transfers (not rifles or shotguns) since 1990, but there is no way of knowing whether the buyers still have those handguns - there is no requirement for reporting of lost or stolen guns. The state does compare the existing handgun sale records with recent criminal convictions to identify gun owners who are no longer allowed to possess handguns. Also see: Record Keeping.




LOCAL GUN LAWS - PREEMPTION
May cities enact laws stronger than the state's? Yes


California - State law allows cities to enact local gun laws to regulate firearms that are stronger than state law or that fill loopholes in state law and many state laws began as city or county ordinances. :confused:But local governments are RESTRICTED in "LICENSING" or "REGISTERING" firearms.:confused:




From http://www.stategunlaws.org/viewstate.php?st=CA

So do you have to Register handguns? The Brady Campaign is :confused:ing me.

leelaw
10-27-2007, 4:25 PM
Here is a simple tip for you - if you go to the Brady website, either 1. realize that they tell tremendous amounts of BS on everything or 2. flush your head of all information "learned" from them when you leave.

Pistols must be registered since 01/01/1991

A pistol is registered by make, model, and serial to the person who purchased or transferred it (if purchased after 01/01/91). If the pistol is purchased before 01/01/91, then it does NOT need to be registered, though voluntary registration is available.

dfletcher
10-27-2007, 4:58 PM
As we learned with Prop H, the state of California occupies the field of firearms legislation - cities are not free to pass their own gun control measures. Why anyone who is a gun owner would rely on a Brady website for gun ownership requirements is a bit of a mystery to me, although I'm happy to be educated.

Miltiades
10-28-2007, 6:57 AM
I see that this garbage is from the Brady website.

The Brady organization is a small group of radicals whose objective is to eliminate the private ownership of firearms in the US so that the central government will have more power and control over the citizens. They do not care that existing law and established customs in the country allow firearm ownership - they would change all that to accomplish their goal.

Their approach is to chip away at existing law and custom by making arguments regarding better law enforcement and protecting children from harm, because those arguments sound good to many naive people. But their real objective is simply to eliminate private gun ownership and neuter the Second Amendment, and we should always remember that.

CSACANNONEER
10-28-2007, 8:13 AM
Here is a simple tip for you - if you go to the Brady website, either 1. realize that they tell tremendous amounts of BS on everything or 2. flush your head of all information "learned" from them when you leave.

Pistols must be registered since 01/01/1991

A pistol is registered by make, model, and serial to the person who purchased or transferred it (if purchased after 01/01/91). If the pistol is purchased before 01/01/91, then it does NOT need to be registered, though voluntary registration is available.

Not exactly. All handguns, not just pistols are tracked under this law. I don't believe that the state law refers to this as registration. I think, its called sales tracking. But, there is voluntary registration form availible as well as a form for personal importation form. All of this data ends up on the same list so, it is in reality "registration." I just don't believe that it was official called "registration" when "sales tracking" became law.

Quiet
10-28-2007, 8:47 AM
Whatever it was called it's still considered registration.

In order for a handgun to be approved for your CA CCW permit, it needs to be registered to you.

Any crime commited with an unregistered handgun gets bumped to a felony.
For example, carrying concealed a registered handgun without a permit is a misdemeanor and carrying concealed an unregistered handgun without a permit is a felony.

Librarian
10-28-2007, 5:53 PM
Whatever it was called it's still considered registration.

In order for a handgun to be approved for your CA CCW permit, it needs to be registered to you.

Any crime commited with an unregistered handgun gets bumped to a felony.
For example, carrying concealed a registered handgun without a permit is a misdemeanor and carrying concealed an unregistered handgun without a permit is a felony.That's kind of a brutal statement of 12025.

It says at (6)(b) (B) The person is not listed with the Department of Justice
pursuant to paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) of Section 11106, as the
registered owner of that pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person.11106 is the authorization to retain DROS information; if the gun-possessor can be demonstrated to be different from the DROS information, that's a problem.

But PPT did not have to go through DROS until 1991, and 'personal handgun importers' did not start registering guns brought in until 1998, so there's a large body of 'unregistered' handguns which are perfectly legally owned.

So the brutal version is mostly true.