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ThemBastards
03-08-2013, 9:19 AM
I know labeling a rifle a true "Sniper Rifle" is kind of silly but is the PSL accurate enough to shoot with the newer production bolt action rifles? I am thinking of getting one but I am not sure what to make of it other than they are friggin beautiful, they can shoot extremely cheap surplus ammo* and they are scoped. For those that own them how far out do you push yours?

*I know this would affect accuracy.

bomb_on_bus
03-08-2013, 9:25 AM
Nope.......... Unless minute of barn accuracy is acceptable.

alfred1222
03-08-2013, 9:26 AM
Nope.......... Unless minute of barn accuracy is acceptable.

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kurac
03-08-2013, 9:32 AM
In a lot of countries they do, I don't.

Josh3239
03-08-2013, 9:33 AM
It was never meant as one. It is a designated marksmanship rifle. A rifle designed to give a soldier a bit more accuracy and range than the standard service rifle. Basically the role that the SCARs and the M14s are doing overseas, but neither are sniper rifles.

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 9:52 AM
DMR M-14 more Sniper than PSL, the two not even in the same class

It was never meant as one. It is a designated marksmanship rifle. A rifle designed to give a soldier a bit more accuracy and range than the standard service rifle. Basically the role that the SCARs and the M14s are doing overseas, but neither are sniper rifles.

Holescreek
03-08-2013, 9:54 AM
The gun that killed Kennedy wasn't a sniper rifle either but the man that shot it was a sniper by definition. The Russians don't have "Sniper" in their vocabulary and actually use the English word in their training videos.

The Romanian PSL is as far from what we call a sniper rifle (in the US) as it can be. Skinny barrel that whips around wildly and rifling that looks like it was chiseled in by blind oompa-loompas. They can be made to shoot well but it can't hold a candle to a low cost Savage bolt gun with a free floating bolt head. Can they be effective? Yes, in the hands of a skilled marksman.

hermosabeach
03-08-2013, 10:10 AM
Trying to find match ammo in 6.62 x 54R is getting to be difficult...

The one I shot, I could group about 4" at 100 yards with heavy ball...
the videos below show the VEPR version and the second goes over the Dragonov versions and differences between the PSL and the Dragonov

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AVID HUNTER
03-08-2013, 10:14 AM
Just buy it! Anytime you use the word "sniper" on here, everyone has to put in their two cents. Ammo is cheap in relation to others calibers, I have seen them shot to 1000 yards, but the groups were broad and there are more accurate rifles, but how much do you have to spend, will you regret buying it, NOPE. Just buy it. You may regret NOT buying it?

hnoppenberger
03-08-2013, 10:17 AM
if you are into commie stuff then id say as long as the price is right, its a cool piece for a collection. I would recommend that VEPR if you are looking for more accuracy than min of badguy. loading your own ammo will help.

APOCALYPSE70
03-08-2013, 10:17 AM
Its an AK47 on steriods.. I took mine out to 500 yards.. its a fun gun with magazine issues

Josh3239
03-08-2013, 10:24 AM
DMR M-14 more Sniper than PSL, the two not even in the same class

And the AR15 is more accurate than an AKM but that doesn't make the AR15 "more sniper" than an AKM. The M14 was created as a battle rifle, not a sniper rifle, and was used as such in Vietnam. Putting a scope on an M14 doesn't make it a sniper rifle anymore than doing the same to an AKM. The PSL is most closely related to the RPK, which was not a sniper rifle, except it is semi auto, thumbhole stock, and comes with a scope. The M14 is most closest related to the M1 Garand, which was not a sniper rifle either. The rounds are ballistically comparable and with 7N1 people reported good groups.

They are indeed in the same class. They are both battle rifles in their stock form, but are presently used as DMR (as proven today). There is no "more sniper" class nor is there an in between, it either is or isn't.

ThemBastards
03-08-2013, 10:26 AM
Thanks all. I have a better idea of what the PSL is now. I still want though haha. 20 cents a round for semi auto x54r awesomeness is very appealing.

valley82
03-08-2013, 10:49 AM
For comparisons sake I would say that the PSL is to the AKM what the AR10 is to the AR15. Effectively the same action but with a bigger hunk of lead going down range with more powder behind it.

valley82
03-08-2013, 10:51 AM
Maybe look into the M76 (Yugoslavian 8x57mm version)
I built one from a kit and it is a Beast! Shoots pretty damn good to.

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 11:10 AM
M-21 and M-25 Do your Homework Jr.

http://www.snipercentral.com/m21.htm

http://www.snipercentral.com/m25.htm

Now you are correct about the AR being more accurate than the AK :)

And the AR15 is more accurate than an AKM but that doesn't make the AR15 "more sniper" than an AKM. The M14 was created as a battle rifle, not a sniper rifle, and was used as such in Vietnam. Putting a scope on an M14 doesn't make it a sniper rifle anymore than doing the same to an AKM. The PSL is most closely related to the RPK, which was not a sniper rifle, except it is semi auto, thumbhole stock, and comes with a scope. The M14 is most closest related to the M1 Garand, which was not a sniper rifle either. The rounds are ballistically comparable and with 7N1 people reported good groups.

They are indeed in the same class. They are both battle rifles in their stock form, but are presently used as DMR (as proven today). There is no "more sniper" class nor is there an in between, it either is or isn't.

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 11:15 AM
I have one and they are fun to shoot, especially with less expensive ammo, you can increase the accuracy by reloading plus I replaced Ivan's scope with a Super Sniper 10X Tactical. Also replaced the wood furniture with Black Synthetic

http://blackhorsearsenal.com/about.php

Thanks all. I have a better idea of what the PSL is now. I still want though haha. 20 cents a round for semi auto x54r awesomeness is very appealing.

rolo
03-08-2013, 11:17 AM
Thanks all. I have a better idea of what the PSL is now. I still want though haha. 20 cents a round for semi auto x54r awesomeness is very appealing.

You aren't going to get "sniper-like" accuracy at 20 cents a round. The only surplus that is going to give you any kind of sniper like accuracy is going to be 7N1. I just happen to be sitting on a case of it that I would sell you for no less than $2/rd.

In other words, you can have cheap or you can have accurate in a semi-auto .30 cal rifle. You can't have both.

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 11:18 AM
Note: best ammo for PSL is the 148 grain FMJ ammo

http://www.dragunov.net/psl_ammo.html

Vepr 54R
03-08-2013, 11:56 AM
I would go with a Vepr instead....

starsnuffer
03-08-2013, 12:09 PM
No, even the dragunov isn't a sniper rifle, it's a marksman rifle.

-W

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 12:52 PM
No, even the dragunov isn't a sniper rifle, it's a marksman rifle.

-W

Was the Mosin Nagant PU a Sniper Rifle?
K98k High Turrent?
M1D/C?
Arisaka 97?

All I was saying is the M-14 is much more accurate than the PSL ( AK Type Sniper Rifle )

Note these was a Finn who used a non telescopic rifle and he was one of the best Snipers ( with iron sights )

Quiet
03-08-2013, 2:50 PM
In regards to accuracy & reliability:
VEPR > PSL

MontClaire
03-08-2013, 2:53 PM
Yes, up to 50 yards.

KCDS
03-08-2013, 3:04 PM
go with VEPR

valley82
03-08-2013, 3:38 PM
Here is the the owner of prexis on weaponsguild he makes PSL barrels.
His claims/his pics but I think it is farther than 50 yards.
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valley82
03-08-2013, 3:45 PM
Sorry iPad won't let me attach two pics at a time

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ThemBastards
03-08-2013, 5:03 PM
Sorry iPad won't let me attach two pics at a time

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Just about half a mile? Not too shabbby

Jarhead
03-08-2013, 5:32 PM
A wee bit more than 50 yards