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KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 6:14 AM
Being as I'm no longer subjected to the Royalty class politics of the PRK, I'm curious what steps you would take if this bill doesn't get vetoed and becomes law?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

supersonic
10-13-2007, 6:24 AM
Go buy a case of Preparation H for my "soon-to-be" VERY SORE ANUS.

bulgron
10-13-2007, 8:11 AM
I'm going to pick up a couple of semi-auto handguns next year that I've been wanting but keep putting off, then endure until either I can escape this place, or sons and grandsons of Heller (cross fingers) are able to nuke this state's horrid firearm laws.

SemiAutoSam
10-13-2007, 8:48 AM
DO my best to move to a somewhat more free state.

North to Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Montana. North east to Colorado.

South east to New Mexico.

In other words get out of this communist / socialist state.



I'm curious what steps you would take if this bill doesn't get vetoed and becomes law?

gazzavc
10-13-2007, 8:55 AM
Between the restrictive firearm laws, and the very real downturn in the economy, I have thought about moving away. Sell up the house, cash in and move somewhere less expensive.

It just seems to be getting worse.

Gaz

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 9:10 AM
Go buy a case of Preparation H for my "soon-to-be" VERY SORE ANUS.

If this passes muster for the Governator, it will lead to even more superfluous restrictive stuff down the road that will go unchallenged because of this decision. Give an inch, they'll take the mile.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

smogcity
10-13-2007, 9:25 AM
I'm staying put...I guess we'll just start a new thread on calguns named "firing pin modification" or "Correct dremel technique" etc... With what calguns did for OLL ownership (absolulty brilliant), i can't imagine the great minds here wont have a solution by Monday afternoon.

So it's going to cost us a few more bucks at the retail level and a few hours of work at home to defeat...That's just one more of the many cost of living in the best state in the union.

:79:

SKG19
10-13-2007, 9:40 AM
I'm staying put...I guess we'll just start a new thread on calguns named "firing pin modification" or "Correct dremel technique" etc... With what calguns did for OLL ownership (absolulty brilliant), i can't imagine the great minds here wont have a solution by Monday afternoon.

Until they make it the gun owners responsibility to ensure that the firing pin is marking the casing legibly and have the ability to confiscate weapons to test the firing pin mark...just the next step right?

The punishment for the firing pin not marking correctly, similar to filing off the serial number, could be a felony.

just the logical next step right??

smogcity
10-13-2007, 9:46 AM
Until they make it the gun owners responsibility to ensure that the firing pin is marking the casing legibly and have the ability to confiscate weapons to test the firing pin mark...just the next step right?

The punishment for the firing pin not marking correctly, similar to filing off the serial number, could be a felony.

just the logical next step right??


Something tells me "the right people" will have some input on preventing the scope of this from becoming so wide..;)

SemiAutoSam
10-13-2007, 9:46 AM
We Or more accurately those that remain here will not know how they do it in my understanding until its actually done.

It may be the firing pin or might it be something that marks the case?

Maybe one of the legal types can help us with posting the test of the bill ?

I suppose if this legislation is signed semiautomatics that are made from now to the enactment of the law date will go up in value exponentially I would think.

Maybe its time to stock up on pre Micro stamping handguns as an investment in the future.

The text below was found at this link.
http://www.newsbull.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=47976


Also passing committee on Tuesday was Assembly Bill 1471 which would require that the make, model, and serial number be microstamped onto the interior surface or internal working parts of all handguns in such a manner that those identifiers are imprinted onto the cartridge case upon firing. Under AB1471, the manufacture, sale, and transfer of handguns that do not include their identifying information would be a crime








Until they make it the gun owners responsibility to ensure that the firing pin is marking the casing legibly and have the ability to confiscate weapons to test the firing pin mark...just the next step right?

The punishment for the firing pin not marking correctly, similar to filing off the serial number, could be a felony.

just the logical next step right??

BigDogatPlay
10-13-2007, 10:06 AM
I've got a couple of small exercised stock option positions that will be going into long term gain status for tax purposes this next year. Rather than rolling those few thousands off into some other investments in our portfolio I think I'll be picking up several items that I've been otherwise putting off.

Even though my wife and I were both born and raised here, we have no intention of staying here come retirement time. We're already scouting land for our retirement dacha out in Free America.

virulosity
10-13-2007, 10:24 AM
Im more worried about AB821

bruss01
10-13-2007, 10:25 AM
Discussed it with my wife and we both arrived at the same conclusion: We will be leaving the state. If the inmates are truly running the asylum to the degree that this actually passes into law, we do not feel that the sacrifices to our liberty are worth the benefits of continuing to reside in California. I certainly believe in standing and fighting, but there is no glory in being the last rat off a sinking ship. He frequently ends up being a very wet and unhappy rat. Hopefully we can get established in a new state before the next nationwide assault weapons/hi-cap magazine ban kicks in.

Charliegone
10-13-2007, 11:16 AM
Meh...the gloomy weather is bring out gloomy thoughts, I haven't give up yet. We still have to consider all the other things NOT happening in California, particularly Heller vs. D.C....an in favor vote could overturn some of the most stupid gun laws in this state...just something to think about...of course I'm not saying to have all your hopes on that...hell keep calling!

Liberty1
10-13-2007, 11:17 AM
These bills are not the reason to leave the state. These are inconveniences IMO. And the AWB has been negated essentially by the Calguns Band of Brothers. The reason to leave would be the loaded and concealed carry restrictions, high taxes, or you want to support the Free State Project etc... If you want to be safe then yes moving to a LTC issuing county or other state is necessary. :)

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 11:50 AM
Discussed it with my wife and we both arrived at the same conclusion: We will be leaving the state. If the inmates are truly running the asylum to the degree that this actually passes into law, we do not feel that the sacrifices to our liberty are worth the benefits of continuing to reside in California. I certainly believe in standing and fighting, but there is no glory in being the last rat off a sinking ship. He frequently ends up being a very wet and unhappy rat. Hopefully we can get established in a new state before the next nationwide assault weapons/hi-cap magazine ban kicks in.


Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding, exactly why my area code is now 85032.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Satex
10-13-2007, 11:52 AM
I'm staying put...I guess we'll just start a new thread on calguns named "firing pin modification" or "Correct dremel technique"

This is not the issue, nor should we advocate such alterations. The big issue (and goal of the authors of the law) is to reduce the supply of pistols in California. Their goal is for firearms manufacturers to drop out of the California market and therefore prevent law abiding CA residents from owning pistols and ultimately - firearms.
This is the real issue that needs to be addressed with our representatives.

Charliegone
10-13-2007, 11:58 AM
This is not the issue, nor should we advocate such alterations. The big issue (and goal of the authors of the law) is to reduce the supply of pistols in California. Their goal is for firearms manufacturers to drop out of the California market and therefore prevent law abiding CA residents from owning pistols and ultimately - firearms.
This is the real issue that needs to be addressed with our representatives.

and to make some guy super rich....

bwiese
10-13-2007, 12:07 PM
Since AB1471 affects the safe handgun laws and there are wide-open holes in that body of law (including the microstamping area, as well as other areas) AB1471 will - if passed - really only affect the unknowledgeable. I predict a lot of single-shot 22Short conversions, for example.

Only retirees and doofuses with low-end employment will move. If you got some low-end job it doesn't matter where you work.

But if you want your kids to go to a tolerable school, have tech job opportunities, etc. you're gonna grit your teeth and stay. Folks ain't gonna move their kids to school systems where there's no senior calculus course, 2nd year chem/biology classes, etc. in high school.

Remember, lotsa current guns will be staying on the list for awhile, and you can get your Certificate of Eligibility paperwork to allow buying more than one-gun-a-month.

BUT KEEP CALLING AND WRITING AND FAXING TO STOP THIS NONSENSE.

MrTuffPaws
10-13-2007, 12:16 PM
Move. Until then, buy revolvers.

FinweElensar
10-13-2007, 12:22 PM
Sure, if you got some low-end job it doesn't matter where you work.

Ouch :D

bwiese
10-13-2007, 12:26 PM
Im more worried about AB821

In some ways, yes, that's indeed worse!

dee-vee
10-13-2007, 12:54 PM
I will probably stay. Once Hillary is pres things will go down hill even faster and hopefully the revolution kicks off. Then we can reclaim CA.

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 1:00 PM
Only retirees and doofuses with low-end employment will move. If you got some low-end job it doesn't matter where you work.



Bill, if you really believe this, then you deserve what you get in CA because this is really no different than how the CA government feels about you. It's obvious with the statement above you don't pride yourself in liberty and justice, you're willing to lay down and take the whipping for what, $$$$$? Kinda amazes me this even came from you.

Clyde

bwiese
10-13-2007, 1:18 PM
Bill, if you really believe this, then you deserve what you get in CA because this is really no different than how the CA government feels about you.

Hey, I'm staying & fighting.

AB1471 & safe handgun laws only affect people that don't read the details ;)

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 1:26 PM
Hey, I'm staying & fighting.

AB1471 & safe handgun laws only affect people that don't read the details ;)

Uh huh, and Perata thinks the same thing about his CCW and yours.

Clyde

bwiese
10-13-2007, 1:49 PM
So, let's see, Clyde....

I'm gonna move to BFE because of a microstamping law that, if passed (strong doubts!) is readily subvertible?

You think you're 'free' now - it's a matter of time for you in AZ when those illegals have kids and vote.

And I'm gonna move to an area with fewer job opportunities, worse food, lack of real estate appreciation (esp now)?

Call me when AZ, NV, UT or NM, etc. has something even 1/10th the equivalent of San Francisco Symphony.

Staying nicely employed lets me buy more guns.

A few scratch marks on a gun ain't worth changing that, esp as I can get around them legally.

If you're feeling so strongly about that Clyde, why did you stay here when SB23 passed?

I think we on Calguns are getting a bit tired of folks - however nice they are - who move out and say "lookit me". You chose to move, instead of stay where your vote might actually matter.

Piper
10-13-2007, 2:07 PM
Hm, the way I see this is, if 1471 passes, handguns generally speaking will go up. That means revolvers and semi-autos with no microstamp. It's definately going to be a supply and demand issue. The firearms industry is already talking about abandoning the California market because implementing microstamp technology will be cost prohibitive. As for moving out because I'm a low paid doofus, nurses are in short supply nationwide and my license will afford me a position anywhere in the free states. It's just a matter of where I want to move. So if the firearm industry is true to their word, as the firearm industry goes, so shall I.

joe4702
10-13-2007, 2:11 PM
For starters, I have several Arnold movies on tape that I'd take to the range and blast to pieces :)

MudCamper
10-13-2007, 2:11 PM
I'll buy a new semi-auto every thirty days, starting Monday, until the law goes into effect.

Shane916
10-13-2007, 2:12 PM
I think we on Calguns are getting a bit tired of folks - however nice they are - who move out and say "lookit me". You chose to move, instead of stay where your vote might actually matter.

Very true.

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 2:14 PM
I think we on Calguns are getting a bit tired of folks - however nice they are - who move out and say "lookit me". You chose to move, instead of stay where your vote might actually matter.

NO, what you're tired of hearing about is the freedom we possess now while you're willing to be a slave to tryants for a few more pennies. That's all it really boils down to. You're willing to sacrifice your freedom and dignity to buy a few more guns (soon to be obsolete in CA). I can buy, trade, sell, give, lend, whatever, without any interference from any government entity or minion, and I've regained my dignity.

My vote will count more here, where there are many more people who share the same ideas of freedom as I. I don't see your Sheriff's doing anything to train officers in 287g, or your Police officers fighting their chief's to get it. Nor did I see normal citizens strolling in the mall with a gun on their hip, openly or concealed, and not get harassed or arrested, or CLEOs petitioning the government for redress of CCW policies.



This bill is the beginning of much greater things to come, the tip of the iceberg of what will follow. How much more of it will you take before you say, enough is enough, the money, and everything else, is not worth it to stay?

Clyde

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 2:23 PM
I'll buy a new semi-auto every thirty days, starting Monday, until the law goes into effect.

Get a COE and an 03FFL, you can then bypass the 30 day period and buy as many as you like. I never even got to use my combo, I moved shortly after I got both. Now, the only thing a C&R is good for is ordering online, but, I can usually find what I'm looking for locally cheaper, and PPT with no paperwork.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

chiefcrash
10-13-2007, 2:29 PM
how much longer does the governor have left to veto this one?

SemiAutoSam
10-13-2007, 2:31 PM
I feel your correct in a way Clyde. I wish I lived in a mostly free state but a truly free state does not exist in my opinion.

Yes I feel you are correct those of us that are still within the Peoples Republic of California are slaves to tyrants no matter what our income or lack of it.

Be happy you have your freedom now as you may not have it forever.

Unless our boy Ron gets into the oval office a new AWB is coming IMO and a lot of other socialist changes are also in store for the entire country.

NO, what you're tired of hearing about is the freedom we possess now while you're willing to be a slave to tyrants for a few more pennies. That's all it really boils down to. You're willing to sacrifice your freedom and dignity to buy a few more guns. I can buy, trade, sell, give, lend, whatever, without any interference from any government entity or minion, and I've regained my dignity.

No your absolutely correct about 287G 90% of the members on this board wont even know what the devil your talking about.

Its a socialist mentality here in California if you polled the membership of this board I bet you half of the users here wouldn't want to see those non citizens deported.

If Jerry Brown wanted he could communicate with ICE and get help to remove the illegals from California But its not what he wants, Thanks to Illegal sympathiser Daryl Gates and his Special Order 40.


My vote will count more here, where there are many more people who share the same ideas of freedom as I. I don't see your Sheriff's doing anything to train officers in 287g, or your Police officers fighting their chief's to get it. Nor did I see normal citizens strolling in the mall with a gun on their hip, openly or concealed, and not get harassed or arrested.

I agree and its also the poster child for the Federal Government and Firearms laws.

In a lot of cases what happens in the Federal Sector happened in California first.

That's how the first AWB happened from the example of Roberti Roos.

Be good my friend.
This bill is the beginning of much greater things to come, the tip of the iceberg of what will follow. How much more of it will you take before you say, enough is enough, the money, and everything else, is not worth it to stay?

Clyde

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 2:31 PM
how much longer does the governor have left to veto this one?

Midnite the 14th. If he didn't sign it today, I don't think he will. This 30 day thing is an abdication measure, where he can blame the lawmakers for the clause and he can deny responsibility or neglect should things not go his way.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 2:35 PM
I feel your correct in a way Clyde. I wish I lived in a mostly free state but a truly free state does not exist in my opinion.

Yes I feel you are correct those of us that are still within the Peoples Republic of California are slaves to tyrants no matter what our income or lack of it.

Be happy you have your freedom now as you may not have it forever.

Unless our boy Ron gets into the oval office a new AWB is coming IMO and a lot of other socialist changes are also in store for the entire country.



No your absolutely correct about 287G 90% of the members on this board wont even know what the devil your talking about.

Its a socialist mentality here in California if you polled the membership of this board I bet you half of the users here wouldn't want to see those non citizens deported.

If Jerry Brown wanted he could communicate with ICE and get help to remove the illegals from California But its not what he wants, Thanks to Illegal sympathiser Daryl Gates and his Special Order 40.



I agree and its also the poster child for the Federal Government and Firearms laws.

In a lot of cases what happens in the Federal Sector happened in California first.

That's how the first AWB happened from the example of Roberti Roos.

Be good my friend.

Dude, with some of the information you've given or posted, I know I only live in a half freedoms, but the PRK is much less. My buddy and I were discussing title of car in state hands this morning, believe it or not.

Thanks for all the articles you've posted, I've learned much over the last year from your tin foil rants :D.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

.22guy
10-13-2007, 2:36 PM
http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=933

Dear 'Honorable' Governator,

Oh, boy. Thanks a lot! You're a *****.

Love,
Honest, Law Abiding California Gun Owners.

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 2:42 PM
http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=933

Dear 'Honorable' Governator,

Oh, boy. Thanks a lot! You're a *****.

Love,
Honest, Law Abiding California Gun Owners.

I see it's now the bewitching hour for you guys, and my question is now not "if" he signs, but "now that he has signed".

I would suggest you now spend your efforts to call the manufactures and voice complaints. This is a good deal of money to them, and if they choose not to take a stand in court, well, you know the story already.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

grywlfbg
10-13-2007, 6:08 PM
Well, I have a ton of family in Oklahoma. I can set up a family-xfer importation system if anyone needs anything.

For me I'll probably just buy a couple more CZ75-SP01's (the most perfect gun I've ever used, especially after kilword does his magic). Otherwise I'm pretty much set on handguns.

And Clyde, for a lot of us, our lives don't completely revolve around guns. Guns are but one of my hobbies. For my other hobbies (motorcycle road racing, snow skiing, backpacking, scuba diving, the wife surfs...) NorCal is a pretty great place. Heck I've been shooting a lot MORE since I moved here from Oklahoma as the weather is milder and there are more competitions (more people out here). I would hate shooting a match in Oklahoma or Arizona in the middle of August. Out here it's not that bad (of course we still whine when it's 85F). Plus there a ton of race tracks within a reasonable driving distance, ski resorts, etc.

So yeah, if your life is 100% guns, then get the heck out of here. You'd be much better off in AZ, OK, TX, UT, NV, etc. But for some if us it's but a small portion of our lives and the other benefits of Cali outweigh the bad.

9mmdude
10-13-2007, 6:57 PM
This is not only about guns. This is about the right of a citizen to be free. This is a backdoor move to take handguns first, then the rest of your guns later.

KenpoProfessor
10-13-2007, 7:11 PM
Well, I have a ton of family in Oklahoma. I can set up a family-xfer importation system if anyone needs anything.

For me I'll probably just buy a couple more CZ75-SP01's (the most perfect gun I've ever used, especially after kilword does his magic). Otherwise I'm pretty much set on handguns.

And Clyde, for a lot of us, our lives don't completely revolve around guns. Guns are but one of my hobbies. For my other hobbies (motorcycle road racing, snow skiing, backpacking, scuba diving, the wife surfs...) NorCal is a pretty great place. Heck I've been shooting a lot MORE since I moved here from Oklahoma as the weather is milder and there are more competitions (more people out here). I would hate shooting a match in Oklahoma or Arizona in the middle of August. Out here it's not that bad (of course we still whine when it's 85F). Plus there a ton of race tracks within a reasonable driving distance, ski resorts, etc.

So yeah, if your life is 100% guns, then get the heck out of here. You'd be much better off in AZ, OK, TX, UT, NV, etc. But for some if us it's but a small portion of our lives and the other benefits of Cali outweigh the bad.


I did get outta there, notice my location in the upper right hand corner of the post.

I have other hobbies I enjoy as well, but guns are, and have been, a big part of them. The restrictive policies and laws of CA were stifling my freedoms, and it happened so slowly, I fell into the trap. Once out of state, my sanity returned, I no longer have the same urges I had when I was enslaved by the PRK.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

sargenv
10-13-2007, 7:18 PM
This one has pretty much put the nail in the coffin for me. I've had it.

chris
10-13-2007, 7:20 PM
i hope all gun manufactures follow ronnie barret and not sell any firearms to gov or LEO angencies in this socialist state.

i have now begun to think of moving to a free state and leave it behind. since we do not have a representive government anymore and have not for years. it may be time to pack up and say "F" you Kalifornia.


in a positive note we have all tried our butts off to defeat this bill. many of us here have called e-mailed snail mailed letters to the governator. good work all you deserve a pat on the back.

we won last year and this year they showed us they do not care about freedom only repression and tyranny instead of freedom. so sad to see a beautifull state go to SH*T in such a short time.

good work guys. you all now know that this government does not listen to the will of the people. i hope the rest of free America is ready for the onslaught of a federal level microstamping bill.

chris
10-13-2007, 7:23 PM
This is not only about guns. This is about the right of a citizen to be free. This is a backdoor move to take handguns first, then the rest of your guns later.

Soon, scuba diviing, motorcycle racing and skiing will also be looked at by the libs as bad. Look at Rush and free speech......Communist democrats can burn the flag but the Democratic Senate wants to take away his 1st Amendment rights.

Chipping at your rights one chip at a time.....The Socialist agenda is working..........Don't fall for it!!!!

dude they are after everything you enjoy. they have begun the assault on fishing in our coastal waters. you are right this is the beginning of the end of firearms ownership.

if it becomes law i will write a letter to the govenator explaining my true disappointment in him and how sad I'am to the begining of the end of freedom in Kalifornia.:mad:

AresXD40
10-13-2007, 9:37 PM
Well Mr. Kenpo. I have already taken steps to acquiring my first home outside of the PRK in North Carolina. I move out in May of 08. Adios PKR.

niceguy
10-13-2007, 10:51 PM
There are still suits to be filed, and pressure that owners /buyers can place upon manufacturers to take on the gov....

Ain't over yet... just starting a new "round" :43:

glockman19
10-13-2007, 10:59 PM
I'll buy a new semi-auto every thirty days, starting Monday, until the law goes into effect.
Me too. that means only 27 more between now and 1/1/10

KenpoProfessor
10-14-2007, 2:44 AM
Me too. that means only 27 more between now and 1/1/10

Like I told the other guy, get your C&R and COE and you can bypass the one a month thing.

Gene might be right, this might not pass muster on the whole "safe list" thing as microstamping isn't even close to being a "safety" issue.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

KenpoProfessor
10-14-2007, 2:49 AM
Well Mr. Kenpo. I have already taken steps to acquiring my first home outside of the PRK in North Carolina. I move out in May of 08. Adios PKR.


My move was rather rapid, 3 weeks after a phone call from a buddy to come out, stay with him while I looked for a job. Within 48 hours I found employment and the rest was finding a place to live, packing, moving, and unpacking. Within a week I was at my CCW class and a week later I had a CCW. I did wait until my tags from CA expired to get AZ plates though :D.

Good luck on the move, I think your sanity will return as well. I think the last straw for me was when one of my buds in CA waved at a cop to show respect (his whole family is LE and he'll be in the academy in a couple of months) and got pulled over. I told myself I'm just not going to deal with this type of oppression, this is the USofA isn't it?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

AresXD40
10-14-2007, 7:23 AM
My move was rather rapid, 3 weeks after a phone call from a buddy to come out, stay with him while I looked for a job. Within 48 hours I found employment and the rest was finding a place to live, packing, moving, and unpacking. Within a week I was at my CCW class and a week later I had a CCW. I did wait until my tags from CA expired to get AZ plates though :D.
Clyde

I am hoping it will be the same for me. I already have a couple of friends who live in the town I am moving too and are setting me up with a job working for their company making more money than I am here. The only person I have to worry about a job for is the wife and that shouldn't be too hard to accomplish for her either. She was appalled and disgusted herself with the new laws and the way things are being done here. Both of our families are all in PRK with the exception of my Dad who is in NC. So been a big decision for us to move but we both feel it will be for the better. We still have plane flights in the country so we can get back and forth for fairly cheap for a visit.

Mrs Mink
10-21-2007, 1:22 PM
Being as I'm no longer subjected to the Royalty class politics of the PRK, I'm curious what steps you would take if this bill doesn't get vetoed and becomes law?

I'm buying now with a couple of spare firing pins. Nothing like being prepared for the stupidity to come! Will I purchase a handgun in California after 2010? HECK no! :61: