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Prc329
10-06-2007, 5:48 PM
First let me say it was nice meeting DJ and his wife. Gotta watch her, she is a pretty good shot :) On to the good stuff.

Sorry, no pics. I was having so much fun shooting the steal I forgot to get pics. They added a lot more steal out at 600 yards at Angeles so I had to hit them all.

Nightforce Software - I really like this software and it was very reasonably priced. Works well as long as the data you give it are good. using my range finder I found the temperature at the time I started shooting was 66 degrees. So I had set up a save with the two loads I was taking. 175g SMKs and 155g Lapua. Once you set it up then change the field conditions to match the match the conditions where you are shooting. The tables were spot on and easy to use. Dialed in 7 moa with the 155s for 400 yards and proceeded to rapid fire 10 rounds into the 400 yard target. Changed to 10 moa from zero and placed shots into each of the 500 yard targets. I never realized you could hear the 500 yard targets out at Angeles. 600 yards was 13.25 moa.

Remington 700 SPS/AICS - I LOVE THIS GUN. I could leave it right there and call it there. It is just that good. The stock fits me very well. The length of pull and the cheek is very good. Finding the same spot on the cheek piece was very easy. Anyone with a Remington 700 and a stock trigger, go kick yourself in the *** right now. Now come back and order a timney triger and put it into your gun. It is very nice and I like it much better then my acc-trigger in my Savage. The trigger is very crisp, no creep and breaks like glass. Out of the package it was very good but I had to mess with it. I turned it lighter two turns. The mag system works very well. No feeding problems out of all 4 mags I have. 10s loaded really easy as did the 5 rounders. The muzzle brake worked well but not as well as my Badger brake.

I had the stock barrel cut to 22.25 inches and had a DPMS brake installed that brought the barrel to 24". The brake was not as good as the FTE brake in controlling muzzle flip but it did cut felt recoil pretty good. I think if I had some holes milled into the top of the brake it would work better to control flip.

The gun shot very well. My best group measured .33 Center to center and averaged around .5. Velocities did drop going from the 1-10 and 24" barrel on my Savage to a 1-12 in a 22.25" barrel. 175g SMKs with 41.5g of 4895 ran 2650 or faster in the Savage and the exact same load ran 2600 fps in my 700. The 155s ran 2900+ in the Savage and the same load ran 2800fps with 45g of RL15 and almost 2900 with 46g. I need to fine tune this load and get it back to 2900fps. I think if I can get another half grain into win brass I am good. Something weird happened though. The 175s in Win brass were a little weird. They were keyholeling a little bit. Just enough but not to much. The same load in 175 SMKs in LC brass (none match brass) were very stable and accurate.

All in all I am very pleased with my decisions and I am so looking forward to getting my Mike Rock barrel and get my FTE on it with Badger recoil lug. I can say it was a good decision to move from the Savage.

rksimple
10-06-2007, 6:03 PM
Had the opportunity to shoot a few AICS stocked rifles this last week at the PR class. One was a factory remmy, one a stiller, and one a surgeon. They all felt great and the AICS is one steady platform. Both the stiller and the surgeon had factory rem triggers tuned by a smith to about 2.5 pounds. They felt great.

Glad to hear the switch from the savage to the remmy was a good one.

Prc329
10-06-2007, 6:20 PM
The factory Remmy trigger could be tuned by the individual but it seems like it would be a pain since you would need to remove this sealant the factory adds to the screws. I bet it could be a lot better. It is just way to heavy from the factory. A lawyer must be setting the triggers. If that stock trigger is 40% lighter I would hate to see what it was like.

PistolPete75
10-08-2007, 8:51 AM
sorry for flaking last saturday. my malibu appraisal took much longer than expected. i didn't finish till noonish, so i went home afterwards.

by the way, nice rifle!

Prc329
10-08-2007, 8:57 AM
I kinda figured that is what happened. It's all good.

ar15barrels
10-15-2007, 2:55 PM
Remington 700 SPS/AICS - I LOVE THIS GUN. I could leave it right there and call it there. It is just that good.
I can say it was a good decision to move from the Savage.

The only people that ever argue against that are the ones that can't/won't let loose of the money to do it right. ;)

Mute
10-15-2007, 7:59 PM
Welcome to the dark side.

proraptor
10-16-2007, 8:04 AM
Welcome to the dark side.

ill stick to the rebel alliance lol

Prc329
10-16-2007, 9:48 AM
The darkside is good :)

ar15barrels
10-16-2007, 10:24 AM
Rebel Alliance meetings must be held at Wal-Mart, K-Mart and various neighborhood 99cent stores near bus stops.

Dark Side meetings are held at R&D and Georgia Precision's workshops. :D

proraptor
10-16-2007, 11:00 AM
Rebel Alliance meetings must be held at Wal-Mart, K-Mart and various neighborhood 99cent stores near bus stops.

Dark Side meetings are held at R&D and Georgia Precision's workshops. :D

So you are saying Im buying the same stuff but cheaper? LOL

Lets also not forget the rebels won in the end

Timberwolf
10-16-2007, 11:04 AM
When you go Rem you learn Savage was a blem.

Prc329
10-16-2007, 11:13 AM
Not to take anything away from Savage, they do make a very good shooting gun. I have come to the conclusion that Remington is a better Platform in the long run. Savage is a good place to start and learn but once you have finished, time to move on.

It's like learning to drive. Hardly anyone is given a Porsche and told to hit the freeway. You gotta learn in your moms old Escort before buying a BMW.

PistolPete75
10-16-2007, 11:16 AM
Not to take anything away from Savage, they do make a very good shooting gun. I have come to the conclusion that Remington is a better Platform in the long run. Savage is a good place to start and learn but once you have finished, time to move on.

It's like learning to drive. Hardly anyone is given a Porsche and told to hit the freeway. You gotta learn in your moms old Escort before buying a BMW.

a fully converted 700 fan!

i have been wondering how the Stiller Actions perform though?

Prc329
10-16-2007, 11:22 AM
I still have an Escort in my Safe but I like driving the BMW a lot more.

I kept my 223 Savage and she is a great shooter but using both my new 700 and the Savage back to back I did not regret my decision. It is a much more ergonomic and usable platform for me. I know Savage is capable. I did some great shooting with it. Hell I hot that 1moa popper first at the ranch shooting my Savage. I tagged the 800 yard plate without to much difficulty (once I figured out the wind) but so far the usability, detachable mag system in the AICS, the feel of the action is just better.

PistolPete75
10-16-2007, 11:24 AM
Luke, where are you?

ar15barrels
10-16-2007, 12:42 PM
So you are saying Im buying the same stuff but cheaper? LOL

If it makes you happy to believe that, then that's all that matters.

ar15barrels
10-16-2007, 12:45 PM
Not to take anything away from Savage, they do make a very good shooting gun. I have come to the conclusion that Remington is a better Platform in the long run. Savage is a good place to start and learn but once you have finished, time to move on.

Nate says it best.

Someday Tom will get a real job and afford himself a real rifle.
Then he will be over here with us picking on the budget-challenged folks too...

I'm actually in my 10-day wait for a Savage that I'm building a heavy 7mm mag out of to try an experiment.
I went Savage on this project because I got the gun for $180.
If it does not work out like I hope, I can sell the whole thing for about what I have invested in it after I put a good barrel and stock on the gun.

Jicko
10-16-2007, 12:54 PM
Nate, what trigger are you running on ur 700AICS?

STOCK? Self-tuned?

Or you are running an aftermarket?

Prc329
10-16-2007, 1:04 PM
Timney trigger. I gotta clearance the safety but I figured what ever gunsmith I choose can do it since they will have to mill the stock for my badger lug.

rksimple
10-16-2007, 1:44 PM
Nate says it best.

Someday Tom will get a real job and afford himself a real rifle.
Then he will be over here with us picking on the budget-challenged folks too...

I'm actually in my 10-day wait for a Savage that I'm building a heavy 7mm mag out of to try an experiment.
I went Savage on this project because I got the gun for $180.
If it does not work out like I hope, I can sell the whole thing for about what I have invested in it after I put a good barrel and stock on the gun.

Nayt said it best because he said it was a better platform. Its the indian, not the bow. I've made a lot of guys with $4-$5K rifles pretty upset with my $1K Savage (with a 10x scope none-the-less). Don't discount the savage...many people do and end up finishing behind them.;)

PistolPete75
10-16-2007, 2:06 PM
Nayt said it best because he said it was a better platform. Its the indian, not the bow. I've made a lot of guys with $4-$5K rifles pretty upset with my $1K Savage (with a 10x scope none-the-less). Don't discount the savage...many people do and end up finishing behind them.;)

i'm sure every time a savage owner out shoots guys with custom builds, he must feel like the 4 Cylinder Honda that outran the V8 Mustang. Mustang guys tend to feel embarassed afterwards, especially if they talk all big and boast about how good they are.

you never know who is a good shooter, by what he is shooting or what he is wearing.

unfortunately most of the winners do shoot custom builds, but i'm sure it's because they have the most skill and have been shooting the longest. which then turns into a "arms" race to see who has the competitive edge over one another. human nature, go figure.

rksimple
10-16-2007, 2:29 PM
i'm sure every time a savage owner out shoots guys with custom builds, he must feel like the 4 Cylinder Honda that outran the V8 Mustang. Mustang guys tend to feel embarassed afterwards, especially if they talk all big and boast about how good they are.

you never know who is a good shooter, by what he is shooting or what he is wearing.

unfortunately most of the winners do shoot custom builds, but i'm sure it's because they have the most skill and have been shooting the longest. which then turns into a "arms" race to see who has the competitive edge over one another. human nature, go figure.

Agreed. If savage had a bigger aftermarket following, I'd stick with it. I love changing my own barrels. But remington and rem pattern actions are where its at for tac shooting. For f class, I'd still go with savage. I could use a 7wsm or 6.5-284 and replace my own barrels, as often as I please, for around $300. Match the tool to the task at hand.

Mute
10-17-2007, 7:15 AM
Savages are very good rifles and great for the price. We have to keep in mind what the intended purposes are for a rifle. If you're only going to the range on the weekends shooting paper targets at known distances, a Savage will keep up with any custom 99% of the time, as will most quality rifle with a decent trigger and barrel. It's when you get away from the range and start mixing up the variables where you start to see the difference.

I had a Rem 700 PSS take a dive at a class when I slipped my fumble butt down a slope and wound up tossing my rifle 15 feet in the air and watched it go sailing probably a good 40 feet down the small hill ahead of me. That rifle was done for the day, as was the scope. I pretty certain my Surgeon would have survived. What kind of price do you put on something like that?

proraptor
10-17-2007, 6:43 PM
Nate says it best.

Someday Tom will get a real job and afford himself a real rifle.
Then he will be over here with us picking on the budget-challenged folks too...

I'm actually in my 10-day wait for a Savage that I'm building a heavy 7mm mag out of to try an experiment.
I went Savage on this project because I got the gun for $180.
If it does not work out like I hope, I can sell the whole thing for about what I have invested in it after I put a good barrel and stock on the gun.

how do you know how much I make? just because I like my savage over a remington has nothing to do with how much I make.....my money goes towards a bunch of other hobbies including guns....my other hobbies cost a lot more than guns and shooting ever will....


I feel no need to throw a bunch of money into a remington when my savage shoots awesome.....not to mention I'm really over a dbm and I don't like the feel and weight of the aics stock....I'd rather have a manners stock

I wonder if you are a douche bag in person or are you just hiding behind your computer....from what I hear you work out of your garage and you have the looks of a virgin....but hey that's just what everyone has been saying....

Prc329
10-17-2007, 7:01 PM
Proraptor, buddy, friend, calm down. I am pretty sure he didn't mean anything bad by his remark. Randal is one of the good guys. I think you to just have a difference in opinion and very strong willed at the same time.

Just both of you be at peace.

proraptor
10-17-2007, 7:08 PM
this isn't the first time he has trolled me...why people give this *** money I'm not sure....my money will go to bolsa before it goes to an *** that works out of his garage anyday....

Prc329
10-17-2007, 7:55 PM
I'm gonna stay out of this. I like shooting with you, Pro and Randall does good work and teaches me something every time I go to his shop.

proraptor
10-17-2007, 8:02 PM
feel free to stay out of it nayt....I'm sick of him trolling around in all threads I post in....he must not have a life with all the trolling he does

Prc329
10-20-2007, 12:38 PM
I get more and more impressed with this rifle every time I shoot her. The stock just fits me very well. The mag system works flawlessly.The finish on the SPS is crap and I will have to refinish it sooner. I was a little worried about velocity loss due to the "short" barrel. I am getting 2900 fps with 46.6g of RL15. I am seating to 2.82. No feeding problems.

PistolPete75
10-20-2007, 12:43 PM
what's all the drama about? don't matter what you shoot, as long as you can shoot it well. simple as that.

wildcard
10-22-2007, 11:29 AM
Enough talk. Lets handle this like men and have a shoot off. The monthly APS Match should be a good venue :43:

PistolPete75
10-22-2007, 4:15 PM
proraptor vs ar15barrels?

Cypriss32
10-22-2007, 4:57 PM
Hey thats a good idea. A savage VS remington.....Anyone got an M70 but me? I dont think 190's is fair. Plus Tom just finished my T2, it ships end of week :).
I see you put alot of faith in your savage. Ive allways looked at it this way, the military and LE use rem700 platforms for a reason. Also aftermarket parts are readily out there. It must be a sign to me. Plus savages are all different, ive had 3 of them and none were same interchangeable ****.
I dancing the idea around selling my manners stocked 308 and getting an HS PST25 with rock 5r barrel.

Timberwolf
10-22-2007, 5:46 PM
Enough talk. Lets handle this like men and have a shoot off. The monthly APS Match should be a good venue :43:

Might I suggest the buff or maiden at 865 - 3 shots max decreasing score.

Prc329
10-22-2007, 6:27 PM
Might I suggest the buff or maiden at 865 - 3 shots max decreasing score.

I got one. UKD between 800 and 900 yards. 4 shots decreasing score. Then the 865 and a 700.

wildcard
10-22-2007, 10:27 PM
proraptor vs ar15barrels?

I was thinking more Remington users vs. Savage users.

wildcard
10-22-2007, 10:30 PM
Might I suggest the buff or maiden at 865 - 3 shots max decreasing score.

Haha.. you know what that'll prove? Absolutely nothing when the score is 0 - 0 :) That can certainly be one of the stages though.. it'll prove who's the luckiest!

Usually not too hard to hit a maiden sized target at 800 - 900 yds.. but there must be some factor nobody has been able to account for.

ar15barrels
10-22-2007, 10:56 PM
The thing to do is take a remington and a savage and have multiple shooters shoot both.
That way you are comparing the guns and not the shooters.

I'll put my $500 Remington 700 up against anybody's $500 savage for several people to shoot them both.

Prc329
10-22-2007, 11:05 PM
The thing to do is take a remington and a savage and have multiple shooters shoot both.
That way you are comparing the guns and not the shooters.

I'll put my $500 Remington 700 up against anybody's $500 savage for several people to shoot them both.

That is actually not a bad idea. Takes the skill of the shooter out of the equation.

Or just get a lead sled.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 7:37 AM
The thing to do is take a remington and a savage and have multiple shooters shoot both.
That way you are comparing the guns and not the shooters.

I'll put my $500 Remington 700 up against anybody's $500 savage for several people to shoot them both.

Thats not the point. The point was to make fun of the Kmart meetin', wal-mart clothes buyin', 99 cent store frquentin', Savage buying chumps.:D

Take your $500 remmy to a couple APS matches, and see if there isn't a couple particular Savage shooters that don't mop the floor with you. Pascals son shoots a fricken Savage! He beat us all last time!

Its not the bow, but the indian. When you lose to a couple savages, you in turn lose the right to make fun of them with out sounding sour. I shoot a savage so I can still make fun of them...not for much longer though:D

Prc329
10-23-2007, 7:43 AM
I think the big deal is the shooter. I bet you can give a guy a ****ty mauser with a cracked stock and I bet he would win.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 7:44 AM
whatevers, just shut up and shoot, dammit.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 7:45 AM
whatevers, just shut up and shoot, dammit.

+1. A little friendly ribbing, however, is always invited.

ETA: Pete- how's your house?

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 7:48 AM
i'ts okay for now. i'm stuck in between two major fires. closest one is 5 miles southwest of me. the big one is 10 miles northeast of me.

mandatory evacuation has been lifted in my development, so it should be okay for now. you only have to worry, when the evacuation goes back on.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 8:17 AM
Damn. My Eagle stock pack doesn't fit the rear of my rifle :( oh well, I can use it on either my Savage or M14. Now the search for one that will fit my AICS.

Timberwolf
10-23-2007, 8:26 AM
Nate believe it or not it'll fit - ala Savannah - just adjust the straps - bring it on Sat I'll help you if you've not got it by then.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 8:28 AM
just bring what you got Nayt, you'll be fine.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 8:29 AM
You running a 1.5 correct? The front strap doesn't seem to reach all the way.

I'll bring it Saturday.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 8:30 AM
if this wind keeps up, it's be a challenging course of fire.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 8:37 AM
It is supposed to die down after today. We will see. It will be interesting doing the 800+ yarder with a 30 mile per hour wind. According to the numbers that would be a 5 mil hold off.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 8:40 AM
5 mil is one hell of a hold off. that's almost like shoot and pray. with an inconsistant 30mph wind.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 8:47 AM
I know. I would have to dial in the wind for that. Would not be just hold to the right about half a mil. That would be almost 17 moa I believe.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 8:50 AM
You running a 1.5 correct? The front strap doesn't seem to reach all the way.

I'll bring it Saturday.

I'm going to have a couple 1.5's so this is a concern for me. I saw on SH a way that someone modified the front strap to go around the rear of the thumbhole. It required removing it and re-stitching. I happen to know someone who's pretty handy with a sewing machine...

Hey Nayt,Pete- did you guys get the bags yet?

Timberwolf
10-23-2007, 8:56 AM
You running a 1.5 correct? The front strap doesn't seem to reach all the way.

I'll bring it Saturday.

Yeah Savannah has a 1.5 - it takes readjusting all four straps once you set LOP and cheek weld.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 8:59 AM
I'm going to have a couple 1.5's so this is a concern for me. I saw on SH a way that someone modified the front strap to go around the rear of the thumbhole. It required removing it and re-stitching. I happen to know someone who's pretty handy with a sewing machine...

Hey Nayt,Pete- did you guys get the bags yet?

got it. i haven't had time to use it though. my baby likes to play with it. :) she likes it!

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:08 AM
I just installed a Karsten cheekpiece on my 700P.. feels pretty awesome actually.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:13 AM
time to start putting that p back together. do the camo later.

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:17 AM
Yup yup. I should be meeting up with Randall tonight for the muzzle brake and threading.. then i'm going to steel bed it for sure. I'll get back into the game for about a month.. and then do the camo job around x-mas. Impulsiveness may take over and I may just start painting though :) Kind of excited to try/ learn something new. I miss shooting though!

We still need to slap your trigger back in..

Prc329
10-23-2007, 9:20 AM
Yeah I got the bag. Worked good for the 865 shot. Was a little to low for 100, even folded but worked fine for the 200 and 400.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:20 AM
cool. it's borring today. i don't think people want to borrow money, when there are fires everywhere. i'm borred out of my mind today.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 9:21 AM
I plan on doing a camo job with krylon since I am still waiting for my barrel.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:21 AM
Yeah I got the bag. Worked good for the 865 shot. Was a little to low for 100, even folded but worked fine for the 200 and 400.


you should stuff more of that filler in. make it a little more beefier.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 9:21 AM
cool. it's borring today. i don't think people want to borrow money, when there are fires everywhere. i'm borred out of my mind today.

Wanna trade? I'll be down there within the hour if so...

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:22 AM
Wanna trade? I'll be down there within the hour if so...


i would, but i don't think your patients would come back if i did the drilling. :)

rksimple
10-23-2007, 9:24 AM
you should stuff more of that filler in. make it a little more beefier.

Can do. The only downside is that it makes it heavier. So if its attached to the rifle, its more weight to carry. I want to make one a little larger with a handle thats not meant to be attached to the gun. what it will offer over the redman bag, I don't know. But it'll be cool nonetheless.

ETA: Got the stuff for the shooting mats and blast mats yesterday. I'll get on that tonight.

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:25 AM
i would, but i don't think your patients would come back if i did the drilling. :)

Take the offer.. we can fill up some balloons with NOS and have a party :)

rksimple
10-23-2007, 9:25 AM
i would, but i don't think your patients would come back if i did the drilling. :)

Give 'em enough nitrous and they won't know the difference...:D

Prc329
10-23-2007, 9:25 AM
you should stuff more of that filler in. make it a little more beefier.

I am thinking of doing just that. The bag is designed very well but when I compared it to Timberwolf's bag it was not as "full". But it does work well for longer range shots where the *** of my rifle is lower to the ground. I think I may keep it as is and just keep my redman bag as a back up for 200 or less.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:26 AM
Can do. The only downside is that it makes it heavier. So if its attached to the rifle, its more weight to carry. I want to make one a little larger with a handle thats not meant to be attached to the gun. what it will offer over the redman bag, I don't know. But it'll be cool nonetheless.

ETA: Got the stuff for the shooting mats and blast mats yesterday. I'll get on that tonight.

weight is not a concern to me at this time. heck, my new rifle is going to be heavy anyways. stock 13lbs+bipod+35mm tubed scope+rings+mount=i'll say that's be close to 18lbs!

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:27 AM
Can do. The only downside is that it makes it heavier. So if its attached to the rifle, its more weight to carry. I want to make one a little larger with a handle thats not meant to be attached to the gun. what it will offer over the redman bag, I don't know. But it'll be cool nonetheless.

ETA: Got the stuff for the shooting mats and blast mats yesterday. I'll get on that tonight.

What are you using to fill the bags? The poly beads that I use for my tactical black sock (like the stuff you find in "beanie babies") barely weight anything.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 9:27 AM
Can do. The only downside is that it makes it heavier. So if its attached to the rifle, its more weight to carry. I want to make one a little larger with a handle thats not meant to be attached to the gun. what it will offer over the redman bag, I don't know. But it'll be cool nonetheless.

ETA: Got the stuff for the shooting mats and blast mats yesterday. I'll get on that tonight.

Design a shooting mat with an integrated blast mat :)

Either way I will be on the hook for one of both (or one if you get my drift)

rksimple
10-23-2007, 9:28 AM
I am thinking of doing just that. The bag is designed very well but when I compared it to Timberwolf's bag it was not as "full". But it does work well for longer range shots where the *** of my rifle is lower to the ground. I think I may keep it as is and just keep my redman bag as a back up for 200 or less.

I can't remember...was twolfs bag made of cordura or just ripstop nylon? That was a problem we ran into with the cordura. It doesn't stretch or give at all, so filling it way up was extrememly difficult. With the ripstop (like BDU material) you can fill it way up and still finish the stitching. I'll bring some other ones to the APS match and if you guys want to trade them out, thats cool.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 9:30 AM
Design a shooting mat with an integrated blast mat :)

Either way I will be on the hook for one of both (or one if you get my drift)

That might be a possibility. Maybe having a pocket that the blast mat can fold into when not in use. I'll try to retro-fit my prototype.

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:32 AM
Hey Ryan, I got my Eberlestock Gunslinger. That thing is friggin awesome. Holds everything I need and is super comfortable. I see some combination of backpacking and hunting in my future :) Now all I need is a Bladetech Molle Kydex holster for my GPS.. here goes another $40. Oh yeah.. nothing too special about the Streamlight Scorpion. The pack + light + shipping + tax = $215. Not bad..

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:34 AM
Hey Ryan, I got my Eberlestock Gunslinger. That thing is friggin awesome. Holds everything I need and is super comfortable. I see some combination of backpacking and hunting in my future :) Now all I need is a Bladetech Molle Kydex holster for my GPS.. here goes another $40. Oh yeah.. nothing too special about the Streamlight Scorpion. The pack + light + shipping + tax = $215. Not bad..

that's an awesome price. i'm sure that pack will come in handy.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 9:35 AM
Hey Ryan, I got my Eberlestock Gunslinger. That thing is friggin awesome. Holds everything I need and is super comfortable. I see some combination of backpacking and hunting in my future :) Now all I need is a Bladetech Molle Kydex holster for my GPS.. here goes another $40. Oh yeah.. nothing too special about the Streamlight Scorpion. The pack + light + shipping + tax = $215. Not bad..

Where did you order? I've been thinking of getting one.

PistolPete75
10-23-2007, 9:42 AM
Where did you order? I've been thinking of getting one.


SH is having a group buy on eberlestocks. check it out.

yo no tengo dinero por gunslinger. :(

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=323141&nt=2&fpart=1

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:43 AM
Here's the stuff I used to fill my bag. Let me know if you want to try some.. I have quite a bit left.

http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=nw0201

wildcard
10-23-2007, 9:45 AM
Where did you order? I've been thinking of getting one.

I got mine from La Police Gear:
http://www.lapolicegear.com/ebhipege.html

Ryan got his from Sniper Tools:
http://www.snipertools.com/sobackpacks.htm

Prc329
10-23-2007, 10:04 AM
http://www.lapolicegear.com/ebshmat.html

Hey Ryan, you making them similar to this?

rksimple
10-23-2007, 10:42 AM
Hey Ryan, I got my Eberlestock Gunslinger. That thing is friggin awesome. Holds everything I need and is super comfortable. I see some combination of backpacking and hunting in my future :) Now all I need is a Bladetech Molle Kydex holster for my GPS.. here goes another $40. Oh yeah.. nothing too special about the Streamlight Scorpion. The pack + light + shipping + tax = $215. Not bad..

I love the pack. The handle on mine (above the opening for the rifle) started to pull through. I called Eberlestock and they said that they had a run of packs where this was a problem, but he could fix it for me no prob. I'm going to send it in after I get done with these next couple matches.

rksimple
10-23-2007, 10:47 AM
http://www.lapolicegear.com/ebshmat.html

Hey Ryan, you making them similar to this?

Probably not. Thats just a big piece of fabric with no padding in it. The purpose of my mat is focused toward field shooting so it will have minimal padding only for the elbows. This will make a mat that folds up nice and compact for storage in a pack. What I think I'll do is place some velcro at the top of the mat to match up to another larger piece for use as a blast mat. That way you'll be able to attach it if you're in an area where its needed and still have a normal mat when its not. I'll come up with a few different designs, but I like the idea of it being modular. I'll try to have it done for the APS match.

Prc329
10-23-2007, 11:00 AM
I like the modular idea.

Timberwolf
10-23-2007, 11:03 AM
Modular is a good idea but I'd suggest either large buttons (bdu size) or snaps to attach - hook & loop and field don't mix that well IMHO

rksimple
10-23-2007, 11:16 AM
Modular is a good idea but I'd suggest either large buttons (bdu size) or snaps to attach - hook & loop and field don't mix that well IMHO

Good call. I like the big buttons. Snaps have never been good to me.

Prc329
10-24-2007, 11:53 AM
I got the stock pack on and I think I am going to put it on another rifle. It made things a little to tall on my rifle, unless I didn't have it on right. I will still bring it Saturday for assistance.

rksimple
10-24-2007, 12:01 PM
I got the stock pack on and I think I am going to put it on another rifle. It made things a little to tall on my rifle, unless I didn't have it on right. I will still bring it Saturday for assistance.

Cool. I'd love to see it...since I'll have one setup almost exactly the same in a few weeks.:D

Prc329
10-24-2007, 12:08 PM
Cool. I'd love to see it...since I'll have one setup almost exactly the same in a few weeks.:D

Your R&D build or the SPS?

rksimple
10-24-2007, 12:14 PM
Your R&D build or the SPS?

The sps. I'm doing the sps in 308 for my practice rig, and the 260 custom with a stiller action for comps.

Prc329
10-24-2007, 12:17 PM
Copy cat :D

I gotta run by home depot and get some krylon. I got a stock to practice on. How easy is it to remove?

wildcard
10-24-2007, 12:20 PM
Copy cat :D

I gotta run by home depot and get some krylon. I got a stock to practice on. How easy is it to remove?

To remove a stock from the action? Two hex screws and you're ready to go. Pull off the bottom metal/ trigger guard.. pull out the magazine box.. lift the barreled action.

wildcard
10-24-2007, 12:21 PM
Do either of you have spare remington 700 Triggers laying around that I can have or buy since y'all have all these super custom rigs?

Prc329
10-24-2007, 12:22 PM
To remove a stock from the action? Two hex screws and you're ready to go.

I know that :)

I mean krylon. How hard is it to remove if I change my mind or when it is time to send to Randy (or what ever gunsmith if he hasn't started taking work).

Prc329
10-24-2007, 12:23 PM
Do either of you have spare remington 700 Triggers laying around that I can have or buy?

I have one. It is an X-Pro trigger and not the old one.

wildcard
10-24-2007, 12:27 PM
I have one. It is an X-Pro trigger and not the old one.

Whew.. I was hoping you knew :) I don't think people actually remove Krylon.. I think they mostly just paint over existing jobs.

So how much would you sell the trigger for? I'll take it for a fair price.

rksimple
10-24-2007, 12:29 PM
I know that :)

I mean krylon. How hard is it to remove if I change my mind or when it is time to send to Randy (or what ever gunsmith if he hasn't started taking work).

Krylon is pretty easy to remove. Maybe a little too easy with an AICS. The plastic that is used with them is so smooth and "oily" (for lack of a better term, long day, brain not working well) that nothing wants to stick to it. Do a search over on SH about the AICS pre-painting prep that goes on. I can't remember what's used, but a solvent of some kind, be it acetone, alcohol, etc.

Jason-the stiller doesn't come with a factory trigger:( I'm just going to put a rifle basix on it.

Timberwolf
10-24-2007, 12:30 PM
Copy cat :D

I gotta run by home depot and get some krylon. I got a stock to practice on. How easy is it to remove?

Its easy to remove with rubbing alch, thinner, gas, carb cleaner, gun scrubber. But mostly if you boo boo just paint over.

Just read Ryan's post - before you paint rub your stock down with rubbing alch a couple of times until it looks a little whiteish and dull, wipe down good with a rag and paint. That's what I did with mone and its held up for the past six months of abuse with no problem.

Prc329
10-24-2007, 12:34 PM
Cool. Off to home depot once I get out of hell (work is slow today).

Wildcard, I'll PM you.

wildcard
10-24-2007, 1:00 PM
Cool. Off to home depot once I get out of hell (work is slow today).

Wildcard, I'll PM you.

Cool deal.. I'll look for it. Out of curiosity, are you using some sort of stencil or a free-hand job? I have two stencils from Bull Dog Arms and a few cans of aluma-hyde II I have yet to try.

Prc329
10-24-2007, 3:45 PM
Free hand job :) I like free ones :D

I am going to do the action in brown. I have brown, khaki and black krylon camo. I am not sure of the pattern I will use. I am going to do the action probably tonight and decide on the stock after the match.

wildcard
10-24-2007, 3:54 PM
Free hand job :) I like free ones :D

I am going to do the action in brown. I have brown, khaki and black krylon camo. I am not sure of the pattern I will use. I am going to do the action probably tonight and decide on the stock after the match.

I said "free-hand job.." NOT "free hand-job" :43: Haha.. sick bastard.

I'll be going the stencil route. Maybe I'll take pics of my progress including the bedding job.

I can't figure out if I should do the camo piece by piece or the rifle as a whole. The difference being that parts like the barrel above the forend won't receive any paint. I assume it would look better doing the rifle as a whole since the pattern will blend better under close observationg.. but how do most people do it? Just the base coat piece by piece?

ar15barrels
10-24-2007, 3:58 PM
I can't figure out if I should do the camo piece by piece or the rifle as a whole. The difference being that parts like the barrel above the forend won't receive any paint. I assume it would look better doing the rifle as a whole since the pattern will blend better under close observationg.. but how do most people do it? Just the base coat piece by piece?

Lay down your base coat on individual pieces.
Then assemble and spray the rest of the accents so that everything lines up properly.

Prc329
10-24-2007, 5:37 PM
I'm thinking Gap in brown, black and tan or just order a green and call it a day.

PistolPete75
10-25-2007, 8:39 AM
i'm gonna leave my rifle all black. black is the natural "night urban camoflauge"

wildcard
10-25-2007, 8:44 AM
i'm gonna leave my rifle all black. black is the natural "night urban camoflauge"

Not really actually. Places are rarely completely pitch black which means that solid black will stand out like a silhouette. Gray would be a better choice if you had to pick a solid color :)

PistolPete75
10-25-2007, 8:46 AM
Not really actually. Places are rarely completely pitch black which means that solid black will stand out like a silhouette. Gray would be a better choice if you had to pick a solid color :)

well, i like the look of the all "black" rifle. i have no intent on using it in an urban situation anyways, unless shtf scenario.

uscbigdawg
12-04-2007, 2:04 AM
So where do those of us that have AI-AW's and DTAC SPEC-TAC-LR's/T2k's hang out?

Rich

rksimple
12-04-2007, 6:07 AM
So where do those of us that have AI-AW's and DTAC SPEC-TAC-LR's/T2k's hang out?

Rich

With all the other guys that have far too much money to blow on guns.:D

Actually, it'd be nice to have you around at the matches. Where are you returning to from Afghanistan?

Prc329
12-04-2007, 6:45 AM
So where do those of us that have AI-AW's and DTAC SPEC-TAC-LR's/T2k's hang out?

Rich

Keep ya head down and your vest on till you get back and come shoot with us. I'd love to play with that AW to see how different it is from my build.

uscbigdawg
12-04-2007, 11:34 PM
Well to clarify, my spotter/shooting buddy is the AI guy. He's got a AI-AWP that is ridiculously accurate.

I'm more the space/game gun guy and love my T2k. Need to upgrade the glass through from my S&B PMII (never thought I'd find a better scope than this) to the DTAC system.

Worst comes to worse, if I can get the new glass on, I'll either run it or my Kodiak 6 Ackley or the GA Crusader in 243.

I got bit by the bug hard. Just need more trigger time.

Rich