PDA

View Full Version : Fabbed up my CA legal AK Pistol lower receiver Today *NEW PICS COMPLEATED PISTOL!!!*


AJAX22
10-05-2007, 7:07 PM
Thanks to the generosity of another member on here letting me use his press, I'm proud to say that I have a beautiful AJAX ARMS, model BSLA-AP30 pistol marked lower receiver..

I still need to spot weld the rails in place, but all heat treating is done.

This is going to be a 12.5 inch barreled 10 round pinned mag AK pistol as soon as I can afford to buy more toy parts.

Actual fabrication was pretty quick. The heat treating took a bit longer, but was allot of fun (and honestly would have been allot quicker if we weren't screwing around a bit on other guns ;))

I just remembered that I left my camera out in the trunk of the car.. so pics will have to wait till tomorrow.

but she's a beauty.... really makes me want to get started on the PSL pistol project.... so many ways to spend the gun budget..

Its a wonderful feeling, two years ago I'd be trying to figure out what tube fed .22LR or SKS I wanted to get.. now I'm building an AK pistol... we've come a Long way guys.:D

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0300.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0301.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0293.jpg

AJAX22
10-05-2007, 7:41 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0267.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0269.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0270.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0265.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0296.jpg

AJAX22
10-05-2007, 7:52 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0294.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0295.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0296.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0293.jpg

KUJO
10-05-2007, 8:00 PM
I thought I was going to see a built pistol. But this is still cool. About how long did it take you to make/build it? This thing will be so cool when you are finished with it. :chris:

sen24
10-05-2007, 8:06 PM
what caliber you going to go with?

AJAX22
10-05-2007, 8:07 PM
As far as the state of CA is concerned, it IS a compleated pistol :D

I would have put it all togeather today, but I have a bunch of parts to buy still.

The longest part was the heat treating and the stamping of all the make, model, serial number, city and state of manufacture, "NOT FOR TRANSFER" and "PISTOL" designations.

I was VERY tempted to add a little dash and SHTF markings, but I know that phony full auto markings are frowned upon here. so I restrained myself.

All told it was about four hours, what with seting up the press, laying out the lettering, pressing it, tweaking it square, heat treating it, and hand fitting it to standard trunions.

Like I said, It could have been done much quicker, but we were screwing around alot and I took pictures of the process which slowed us down a bunch.

AJAX22
10-05-2007, 8:10 PM
what caliber you going to go with?

7.62x39 for this one (the BSLAAP30)... the PSL pistol (the GRONK) will be in 7.62x54 when I can get that together.

oh BSLAAP30 is short for Bite Sized Liberty Accentuating Annoyance Projector 30 cal.

the GRONK stands for "Ground Resonating Offensive Noise Kreator"

WokMaster1
10-05-2007, 8:17 PM
Why do I feel nauseous after vewing the pictures?:confused:

69Mach1
10-05-2007, 8:18 PM
Nice job M. I hope to bend mine this weekend (AK pistol). How long do you heat treat it before dunking it in the water?

AJAX22
10-05-2007, 8:22 PM
Why do I feel nauseous after vewing the pictures?:confused:

Because my digital camera is older than dirt and doesn't have a macro or low light setting so it always comes out blurry :o

A new camera is on my list of things to get, but guns keep taking priority

Nice job M. I hope to bend mine this weekend (AK pistol). How long do you heat treat it before dunking it in the water?

Thanks, You heat it till its a nice bright orange then dunk it, then heat it till its blue/grey and let it air cool.

do one hole at a time with the dunking, then do all the holes for the air cool.

Its actually alot of fun.

savageevo
10-05-2007, 11:08 PM
hey ajax, if you need to put your kit together I have a press also and the jigs to press the rivits. let me know if you need help. thanks ernie

saki302
10-05-2007, 11:52 PM
Did you heat treat by dunking in water or oil?

-Dave

duenor
10-06-2007, 12:45 AM
good grief... you were torching sheet metal over your carpet? your wife must be a very kind, forgiving soul.

gunrun45
10-06-2007, 6:01 AM
good grief... you were torching sheet metal over your carpet? your wife must be a very kind, forgiving soul.

:eek::hurray::rofl2:
Didn't even catch that until I read this post.

I can read the headline now...
"Man burns down house with MAP torch while making handgun."

Patriot
10-06-2007, 7:21 AM
Nice

AJAX22
10-06-2007, 8:56 AM
good grief... you were torching sheet metal over your carpet? your wife must be a very kind, forgiving soul.

We had to do it in the living room to get the pictures to show up on the camera, the light in the garage was too dark.

A fire extinguisher was within arms reach at all times .

In hindsight we probably should have done it outside in the driveway but we didn't want to answer the neighbors questions.


Did you heat treat by dunking in water or oil?

-Dave


we used the salt watter/ dishwashing liquid meathod, it worked well.

Q
10-06-2007, 4:32 PM
That is pretty cool. I would have done all the stampings on the bottom like nds even at the buttstock part and under the trigger guard. I guess you can do it on your next one.;)
I read to use motor oil.:confused:
Can't wait to see it finished.
What kind of flat did you use?

BaronW
10-06-2007, 4:42 PM
Is an electropencil/engraver enough for the markings?

AJAX22
10-06-2007, 8:40 PM
That is pretty cool. I would have done all the stampings on the bottom like nds even at the buttstock part and under the trigger guard. I guess you can do it on your next one.;)
I read to use motor oil.:confused:
Can't wait to see it finished.
What kind of flat did you use?

I did the stampings on the bottom side of the front of the receiver (where Nodak marks them)

I put the pistol and Not for transfer on the sides to make it obvious when I took pics of the gun (I don't want to get zeee gestapo coming to my house) I know its gaudy and tacky, but I want it VERY clear that I'm following the law.

If this was a quality 1911 build, perhapse I'd fork over the cash to get it professionally engraved, but as it is, I'm just a collage kid working with hand tools at friends houses, so my resources are rather limited. And its an AK.... Functional is its own beauty.

Yeah I probably could have done a better job on the stambings, I had originally planned on welding the letter stamps togeather to form block stamps, but I didn't want to buy five sets just for the letter A

Electro pencil is just fine, but stamping is alot harder for someone to remove if the gun is stolen

This flat is from AKbuilder.com

Used motor oil works, however you HAVE to do that outside, and you have to use a metal container (the oil lights on fire). I use motor oil to heat treat homeade knives.

The blue that you get with the salt watter and dish soap is actually really nice, If I did it again I could probably get it even and nice and deep in color.

AJAX22
10-08-2007, 6:16 PM
If you haven't checked out Sal's Thread over in General, you should definitly do it.

He's going out of his way to make this accessable to all of CA.

AJAX22
10-08-2007, 7:02 PM
Homebuilt pistols do not have to be registered, (you can do it voulentaraly using the voulentary registration form and I reccomend that you do) but the only time pistols are required to be registered are when they change owners or are imported into the state by a new resident, there is no provision under the law which requires homeade pistols to be registered.

Like I said, I reccomend that you fill out the voulentary registration form and send it in along with your 19$.. but it is NOT required. IANAL but I've read through the relevent sections of the law and sent several emails to the BOF regarding this and received no response.

If anyone would like to prove me wrong please do so, I'd love to gain a greater understanding of the law.

adamsreeftank
10-08-2007, 11:39 PM
So is it going to be a single shot bolt action?

Are you using a virgin barrel with no gas port?

Are you using a Krink kit?

This is looking really good.

AJAX22
10-09-2007, 9:04 AM
This is going to be a semi automatic that uses a 10 round pinned magazine.

I will be using an AMD65 Kit with a custom rear trunion (Rommy G with a plate welded to it)

that way it only costs me around 280 and i get it in a caliber that I've got a bit of.

The only guns that are restricted to single shot are the ones which are imported under the drop testing exemption.

Home built guns just have to conform to NFA and AW laws, drop safety requirements do not apply.

so bullet button, 10 round mag and we're good to go ;)

vandal
10-09-2007, 10:28 AM
I am planning to build an AMD65 pistol and a Krink. Just waiting for my bending jig to arrive, and I need to get that HF spot welder.

What are you going to use to stamp the make/model and serial number?

Satex
10-09-2007, 11:24 AM
Ajax,
Can you please explain the purpose and process of heat treating? How do you assure uniformity?

vandal
10-09-2007, 12:28 PM
so bullet button, 10 round mag and we're good to go ;)

Where do you get a 10-round mag that is REALLY 10-round? I have one "10-round" mag that with a little force holds 11 rounds. I would not want to use that.

Ideally I would like a 20/10 mag.

AJAX22
10-09-2007, 4:25 PM
I am planning to build an AMD65 pistol and a Krink. Just waiting for my bending jig to arrive, and I need to get that HF spot welder.

What are you going to use to stamp the make/model and serial number?

I stamped mine using the 8$ set of letters and numbers available from harbor freight, it did the job but I'll be keeping my eyes out for some kind of block stamp or engraving setup.



Ajax,
Can you please explain the purpose and process of heat treating? How do you assure uniformity?

You don't really need uniformity, but if you want it you can get it by just looking at the color of the metal. Steel is nice in that it glows the same color when its the same temp even if you heat treat it a little at a time. do the whole receiver if you want uniformity, otherwise just do the holes rails and the forward magwell lip.

I think Ive typed out how to do the heat treating before on here somewhere, but the short answer is you heat up the area around the hole till it is a glowing yellow orange then plunge it into a bucket filled with a pound of salt and some dishwashing fluid, you do all the holes like this then you heat it till its blue grey and let it air cool, you should heat the receiver all over till it reaches blue grey as it then comes out with a nice even blued finish



Where do you get a 10-round mag that is REALLY 10-round? I have one "10-round" mag that with a little force holds 11 rounds. I would not want to use that.

Ideally I would like a 20/10 mag.

I'm planing on trying to get RSSLVR or JPGLEE1 to fab me up a few, they are the only guys I know of who's mags are 10 rounds exactly.

vandal
10-15-2007, 4:56 PM
I stamped mine using the 8$ set of letters and numbers available from harbor freight, it did the job but I'll be keeping my eyes out for some kind of block stamp or engraving setup.

I got one of those $8 sets and tried stamping on some scrap receivers today. I could bang on it with a mini-sledge and get it to imprint, but it did distort the receiver a little. I tried putting the stamp in my press and pressing and that worked... except the punches tended to BANG and shoot out, or bend.

There is a Dremel engraver that comes with a letter/number template -- maybe that would be the ticket.

AJAX22
11-19-2007, 6:40 PM
I finished up the pistol at the buid party... some guys might not be reading the thread on that so I figured I'd post pics here too.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0399.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0400.jpg

The pistol in this thread is the one on top.

the new one I'm making with one of Sal's kits is this one.

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0403.jpg

swift
11-19-2007, 9:46 PM
Ajax,
Your pistol looks great! Will you be registering it?

With all the projects you have in progress, I have to wonder if have a vault or a collection of safes?

AJAX22
11-19-2007, 10:04 PM
I cycle the stuff I keep handy with the stuff thats in long term storage to try to minimize space issues, and I try to sell off the stuff that I'm not planing on using so that it doesn't pile up too much.

I haven't decided on the registration thing yet.

And thanks for those who've pm'd me about the rifle with the folding stock your concern is appreciated but rest assured that I do not break any laws with any of my projects.

It's well over 26 inches folded with a 16 inch barrel (12.5 inches with a 3.5 inch flash hider welded in place) so no SBR laws are violated, and while it may LOOK like a semi auto, it is in fact a straight pull bolt action gun. It has a guide rod instead of a gas piston and will not cycle the action.

vandal
11-28-2007, 6:49 AM
Once my AK pistol is finished I need to put finish on it to prevent rust. I am not sure I can find a refinishing shop that would be informed enough about the laws to be willing to handle this kind of firearm.

Should I just stick with BBQ Paint? Or what about Brownells AlumaHyde?

savasyn
11-28-2007, 9:16 AM
Oh sure, make me want an AK pistol now!

AJAX22
11-28-2007, 9:33 AM
There are a couple of guys on here who can throw a good Parkerizing on your pistol, or there are some gun plating specialists who do nice electroless nickle work.

I've got alot of finish work and polishing before I'm ready for that myself. I just need to get a few more hand tools (sanding block, dremmel with polisthing wheels etc.)

And I have to wait for a day off when the wife is still at work and won't catch me doing metal work in the living room. (I don't have a workshop or garage)

with how cheap it is to build an AK pistol (heck you can't even get a decent glock for the price of one of these things) everyone should put at least ONE togeather.

I've been trying to talk myself out of building one up in the same style as Jumbopanda... his short barrel/custom gas setup looks great.

But any $$$ that I've got spare right now is going to the PSL pistol project and the AR pistol uppers that I'm trying to build up as loaners.

Teletiger7
11-28-2007, 10:11 AM
7.62x39 for this one (the BSLAAP30)... the PSL pistol (the GRONK) will be in 7.62x54 when I can get that together.

oh BSLAAP30 is short for Bite Sized Liberty Accentuating Annoyance Projector 30 cal.

the GRONK stands for "Ground Resonating Offensive Noise Kreator"

LMAO:D
Good to see people getting creative with their acronyms!!
Good looking builds by the way. I'm sure they will look even better after polishing,finishing, etc.

Have you got the chance to shoot the pistol yet? I wonder how it shoots and handles.

AJAX22
11-28-2007, 10:28 AM
LMAO:D
Good to see people getting creative with their acronyms!!
Good looking builds by the way. I'm sure they will look even better after polishing,finishing, etc.

Have you got the chance to shoot the pistol yet? I wonder how it shoots and handles.

Thanks,

I don't get to shoot much (I'm a Full time student and I manage an appartment building so I don't have much free time)

I do plan on taking the BSLAAP30 out on my next trip, I've invited my PolySci professor out to the range and will probably be having range reports on a few of these either in a few weeks or in early january.

I have a sneaking suspicion that I know how it will handle, it will be very heavy and about as acurate as an ak fired from the hip ;)