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Timthetwin
02-24-2013, 3:43 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/article/232023/2/12-Machine-guns-seized-from-home

If let the pictures scroll, you will see great C&Rs at least two MG42's....and they will probably melt them down! Thanks for screwing it pal! I would give a lot to shoot a C&R German machine gun let alone own one. :banghead: They will probably argue for more guns laws :rolleyes:

John Browning
02-24-2013, 3:45 PM
I hope they send those to a museum.

Timthetwin
02-24-2013, 3:47 PM
I hope they send those to a museum.

For real! There is serious $$$ in that lot.

H3nchman
02-24-2013, 3:49 PM
For real twin.
Saw an MG34, 3 mg 42s and an M60. For real this psycho should be locked up and the guns donated to a museum or put up for lawful purchase.

nick
02-24-2013, 3:59 PM
http://www.news10.net/news/article/232023/2/12-Machine-guns-seized-from-home

If let the pictures scroll, you will see great C&Rs at least two MG42's....and they will probably melt them down! Thanks for screwing it pal! I would give a lot to shoot a C&R German machine gun let alone own one. :banghead: They will probably argue for more guns laws :rolleyes:

Machine guns? The charges don't mention them, oddly enough. So I'd wager that he had semiauto guns that looked "offensive". Assault weapons charges have been known to be thrown at people for possessing legal semiauto rifles that "looked offensive" as well.

I wouldn't take anything reported in the media on the subject of guns seriously. Or on most subjects, for that matter, other than Hollywood gossip - that they seem to report alright. At least, I'm not familiar enough with it to know that they're lying or being ignorant of the subject.

nick
02-24-2013, 4:02 PM
For real twin.
Saw an MG34, 3 mg 42s and an M60. For real this psycho should be locked up and the guns donated to a museum or put up for lawful purchase.

Hmm, I'm planning to build an M53, which is a Yugo version of an MG-42. I have the parts kit (but no receiver yet, I might do a reweld), and I'm still collecting compliance parts and semiauto components. Yes, it'll be semiauto and with a maglock. Should I be locked up too?

Sometimes it's amazing that the firearms community, in an attempt to show just how good we are (like that would convince the people, who already think of us as of criminals who just haven't been caught yet), condemns gun owners even faster than the antis do.

Timthetwin
02-24-2013, 4:12 PM
Machine guns? The charges don't mention them, oddly enough. So I'd wager that he had semiauto guns that looked "offensive". Assault weapons charges have been known to be thrown at people for possessing legal semiauto rifles that "looked offensive" as well.

I wouldn't take anything reported in the media on the subject of guns seriously. Or on most subjects, for that matter, other than Hollywood gossip - that they seem to report alright. At least, I'm not familiar enough with it to know that they're lying or being ignorant of the subject.

Obviously, I am not ignorant enough to believe everything in the media. Even if these are SS versions of demilled firearms, the original fact of my post remains clear, that this chap is one of those people that gives a bad name to gun owners.

nick
02-24-2013, 4:14 PM
Obviously, I am not ignorant enough to believe everything in the media. Even if these are SS versions of demilled firearms, the original fact of my post remains clear, that this chap is one of those people that gives a bad name to gun owners.

How so? I'm not disputing it, just curious as to how you've arrived at this opinion.

Timthetwin
02-24-2013, 4:26 PM
haha Guns, drugs, and porn dont mix to well with anyone(I hope lol), Thus this man now gives a slanted name for anyone one of us, who may want to own legal weapons in CA. Because his decisions he gave the media one more case to say the term "machine gun" as much as they can. For example, if you build an m53 yours to would be deemed a "machine gun" at first glance, by most ignorant/uneducated people who dont know guns. When in reality we both know it would be completely legal, and you would most likely not be getting into any trouble, and thus giving any chance to implicate possible "assault weapons". This man and his guns is perfect example of someone who is careless and irresponsible, and therefore will blot the public perception of identical weapons that are legal.

H3nchman
02-24-2013, 4:40 PM
Hmm, I'm planning to build an M53, which is a Yugo version of an MG-42. I have the parts kit (but no receiver yet, I might do a reweld), and I'm still collecting compliance parts and semiauto components. Yes, it'll be semiauto and with a maglock. Should I be locked up too?

Sometimes it's amazing that the firearms community, in an attempt to show just how good we are (like that would convince the people, who already think of us as of criminals who just haven't been caught yet), condemns gun owners even faster than the antis do.

Ok, for the sake of peace I will agree. The media probably called every gun there a machine gun. Whether they where semi-auto with maglocks I don't know. Chances are that at least one of them was full-automatic. Of course speculation gets us no where. If you build your gun enjoy it in a legal manner. This guy broke the law and owns guns, which gives the media ammunition(excuse the pun) to use against legal gun owners.

nick
02-24-2013, 4:40 PM
haha Guns, drugs, and porn dont mix to well with anyone(I hope lol), Thus this man now gives a slanted name for anyone one of us, who may want to own legal weapons in CA. Because his decisions he gave the media one more case to say the term "machine gun" as much as they can. For example, if you build an m53 yours to would be deemed a "machine gun" at first glance, by most ignorant/uneducated people who dont know guns. When in reality we both know it would be completely legal, and you would most likely not be getting into any trouble, and thus giving any chance to implicate possible "assault weapons". This man and his guns is perfect example of someone who is careless and irresponsible, and therefore will blot the public perception of identical weapons that are legal.

I thought that might be the case, but so far I've only seen a list of charges. Having read about other similar cases, I can see of quite a few ways of how these charges may have come to be filed, without him actually doing anything illegal.

Of course, it could also be that all charges are true. I was simply saying that people are being too quick to judge based on two very unreliable sources: the media and public officials.

For example, I recall a case of a guy being accused of drug possession based on the fact that there was a smell of pot in his apartment (which was also the probable cause for entry into his apartment). I turned out his neighbor smoked pot, and the smell was all over. The guy in question was clean, but he was still charged, and the charges were later dismissed by the court. He was out of the lawyer money, and last I heard, was considering suing the LEA.

I also recall reading about a case in Alabama (or was it Missouri? It was a while back) where a guy was accused of possession of child pornography for having pictures of his daughter in a bikini on his cell phone. The charges were dropped, as well.

So this case could turn out to be either way. One thing's for sure - the media won't print a retraction, and if it does, it won't be as visible, if all charges get dropped, or if the case won't even make it to court. And if that will be the case, he'll have a hard time getting his offensive-looking guns back from the PD (most likely involving more attorney fees).

nick
02-24-2013, 4:42 PM
Ok, for the sake of peace I will agree. The media probably called every gun there a machine gun. Whether they where semi-auto with maglocks I don't know. Chances are that at least one of them was full-automatic. Of course speculation gets us no where. If you build your gun enjoy it in a legal manner. This guy broke the law and owns guns, which gives the media ammunition(excuse the pun) to use against legal gun owners.

"Speculation" was my point. All we have is the media's and LEA word for it, both of which are generally unreliable.

And I don't see the charges (at least, as reported) for possession of full auto guns, only of "assault weapons". So if the reporting is correct on the charges (read above :)), then none of the guns were full auto. So there're contradictions even within this very short article.

smle-man
02-24-2013, 7:10 PM
The guns look like the non guns that IMA was selling several years ago. I saw an MG34, ZB37, MG42, the Soviet LMG with the pan magazine which I forget the model, etc. I guess they all could be live and functioning but the chances of someone having all the same types that were sold as non firing replicas seems a bit much. Time will tell. If he did have drugs in the house he's going down anyway.

rm1911
02-24-2013, 7:51 PM
wait a minute. let me see if understand the article. and no, I'm not defending the guy, but he had all these guns and they didn't automatically go off and kill people, nor did they somehow possess his soul and make him commit mass murder. sacre bleu!!!

which is really the point I guess. all that time, machine guns were possessed and no horrible crimes committed. when you think about it, the article makes our case!!

kurac
02-24-2013, 8:03 PM
I saw the story on the news last night, his bail was only $75K so I doubt those were machine guns otherwise his bail would have been a million. Once the truth comes out, you probably won't see the follow up story because usually there isn't one.

McNally M.
02-24-2013, 11:08 PM
I would hope that the police officers who seized those MG42s have the good sense of the officers we heard about in that news story of an MP44 being turned in by a little ole lady who had no idea what she had. Hopefully they'll hang on the those MGs or donate them to a museum. It would be a shame for those guns to get smelted down.

jdberger
02-25-2013, 12:06 AM
I recall New York's mayor claiming that a nurse arrested for carrying a gun in the city had a bag of drugs - turned out it was powdered vitamin C.

There's the above story about "child porn" being pics of a daughter in a bikini.

There's the story of BWO who was charged with all kinds of amazing stuff - and exonerated on all counts.

As far as I'm concerned, all media accounts of anything need to be astericked with a notation that it's probable that the reporter is completely uninformed, that the story may be completely untrue and that a retraction will most likely never be forthcoming.

The Fourth Estate is dead. It was a suicide.