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John Browning
02-24-2013, 3:12 PM
So this came home with me. Can you tell what it is?

Here is a big hint. I can say that I drove to his house, gave him money, he gave me the gun and I drove home. No laws were broken and we both live in CA. :)

So, here are the pics. It came with some nice leather, too. I'm money poor and gun rich, again.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050675_zps96ffecf4.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050671_zpsaa143dff.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050668_zps4b693d6a.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050667_zps293e310c.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050663_zpsc45f4131.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050662_zps621d5d5b.jpg

John Browning
02-24-2013, 3:13 PM
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050659_zps18c12b33.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050655_zpsb26f670a.jpg

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e283/scobun/P1050657_zps49d4edba.jpg

DennisCA
02-24-2013, 3:24 PM
Yea I'd say you had a very-very nice weekend!
Awesome find

It looks like it has matching numbers?

gotshotgun?
02-24-2013, 3:31 PM
Is it an antique?

John Browning
02-24-2013, 3:42 PM
Is it an antique?

It is an antique. It was made in 1873. It shipped from the US Ordnance inspector Orville Ainsworth to some cavalry unit TBD. It is an "Ainsworth" Colt reborn in the 1950s into what you see today.

w55
02-24-2013, 3:44 PM
Thats super clean, it was re-finished in the 50's? I have a few but original finish lol much rougher looking. I know the cash poor feeling ha!

bill_k_lopez
02-24-2013, 3:48 PM
So what does the "rebirth" do to the value? I see originals for $20 - $30k, just wondering what the redo does to the value.

John Browning
02-24-2013, 3:56 PM
Thats super clean, it was re-finished in the 50's? I have a few but original finish lol much rougher looking. I know the cash poor feeling ha!

Yeah, someone took an all-matching and probably very nice Cavalry colt and refinished it. My guess is the 1950s as that is when a lot of those "Old junky Colts" were rebuilt by commercial smiths. Whoever did this one did an excellent job. The blue is the correct Colt type of the 1950s with the right polish and no radius angles on the edges.

So what does the "rebirth" do to the value? I see originals for $20 - $30k, just wondering what the redo does to the value.

It crushes it. That said, it is still a 4 digit SAA made in 1873, it did see service with the US Cavalry and it still is an Ainsworth inspected gun. It ain't cheap, but unfortunately I won't be able to trade it for a new car of any make or model. It could be restored by Turnbull back into a 20k gun, but I doubt I am going to go that route as the work would probably run $5000.

TRAP55
02-24-2013, 7:21 PM
$1000 for that and the Lawrence holster? You're a thief! and I admire that.:D When we going to shoot it?:)

TRAP55
02-24-2013, 7:23 PM
Thats super clean, it was re-finished in the 50's? I have a few but original finish lol much rougher looking. I know the cash poor feeling ha!
Get that nickle .45 over here while I'm ordering Colt parts, I want to shoot that one too!

Old Scribe
02-24-2013, 7:30 PM
Very nice find!!

1-M-42
02-24-2013, 7:36 PM
Nice...

SonofWWIIDI
02-24-2013, 7:41 PM
Nice looking revolver. Congrats!

John Browning
02-24-2013, 8:03 PM
$1000 for that and the Lawrence holster? You're a thief! and I admire that.:D When we going to shoot it?:)

I'm an honest thief. The guy had no idea what it was and would have taken $500 for the entire rig.

We're going to shoot it as soon as I figure out how to do some BP loads. :) How do you clean a BP gun, anyway?

John Browning
02-24-2013, 8:04 PM
Yea I'd say you had a very-very nice weekend!
Awesome find

It looks like it has matching numbers?

Yes, it is all matching, except the barrel is a 2nd Gen replacement from when they did the work in the 50s.

BigJ
02-24-2013, 8:06 PM
Wow. Very very nice.

bruceflinch
02-24-2013, 8:25 PM
Very Nice!

TRAP55
02-24-2013, 8:33 PM
I wouldn't even think of shooting BP through that, use TrailBoss, much cleaner. I just noticed those are REAL stag grips too, another plus! The 1st Gen cyl that came in mine is stamped 432, makes me wonder about the gun it came from.
Here, practice up on your fast draw, cause you know you will.:D
http://videosift.com/video/Who-knew-Sammy-Davis-Jr-is-a-badass-with-a-six-shooter

bill_k_lopez
02-24-2013, 8:48 PM
Yes, it is all matching, except the barrel is a 2nd Gen replacement from when they did the work in the 50s.

Ok - so when I looked at this the first thing I thought was its faked. That serial number was way too low for the blue to be that good - that serial number is just a few thousand above the very coveted 7th cav guns. The marking on the barrel also kind of threw me off, as I recognized the typeface from my Colt New Service which I know was re-barreled in the 40's (this was my great grandfather's) and converted from 455 webley to 45LC (I have the original barrel somewhere).


http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff509/bill_k_lopez/45%20Long%20Colt/2011-05-15_12-58-21_954.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff509/bill_k_lopez/45%20Long%20Colt/2011-05-15_12-59-07_810.jpg http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff509/bill_k_lopez/45%20Long%20Colt/2011-05-15_12-58-41_301.jpg

Your single action is a beautiful gun - I've often thought about having this new service re blued. I'll never get rid of it just because of the family history - and my grand father was a brinks guard, so this was his daily wear service revolver for 20+ years? If I have it redone it will probably be in better condition than he ever had it in, as it was a WWI British gun, probably picked up for cheap.

Anyway I love the SA/DA revolvers, I can't hit a damn thing with them, but I just love the way they look and feel - congrats on your purchase.

John Browning
02-24-2013, 8:49 PM
I wouldn't even think of shooting BP through that, use TrailBoss, much cleaner. I just noticed those are REAL stag grips too, another plus! The 1st Gen cyl that came in mine is stamped 432, makes me wonder about the gun it came from.
Here, practice up on your fast draw, cause you know you will.:D
http://videosift.com/video/Who-knew-Sammy-Davis-Jr-is-a-badass-with-a-six-shooter

Yep, real Stag. Even have a makers label inside. I can snap pics of that, but it is a red oval ring with a yellow makers logo in the center. A 432 stamped cylinder, now that is cool. It could have very well been with Custer. One interesting thing about a first gen Colt is that the all matching ones are all matching for only two reasons, they were stolen by the Cavalry trooper or captured by the Indians. Now that history will really make you think.

How positive are you on the Trailboss being safe? I'd prefer to go that route, but only if both me and the gun look the same as before. I'm pretty ugly, but the gun isn't, and both of us are interested in keeping all our working parts...well...working. :)

John Browning
02-24-2013, 9:32 PM
Yikes. I just looked at what the leather and the Stag Grips are worth. I pretty much got the rest of the gun for a really nice lunch. :eek:

TRAP55
02-24-2013, 9:51 PM
Yikes. I just looked at what the leather and the Stag Grips are worth. I pretty much got the rest of the gun for a really nice lunch. :eek:
That's what I been tellin ya! Now you know why I called you a thief!:D
TrailBoss is pretty much dummy proof (probably why I like playing with it), you can compress a load and still not exceed pressure limits. Makes great subsonic rifle loads too.;)

John Browning
02-24-2013, 9:55 PM
That's what I been tellin ya! Now you know why I called you a thief!:D
TrailBoss is pretty much dummy proof (probably why I like playing with it), you can compress a load and still not exceed pressure limits. Makes great subsonic rifle loads too.;)

I had entertained thoughts of restoration for a second, maybe two. This thing needs to stay as it is.

The former owner is looking for the original bill of sale for the entire rig. He thinks he paid $200 for it in about 1960, which strangely is $1555.55 today. Just looked it up. :)

TRAP55
02-24-2013, 10:03 PM
If I have it redone it will probably be in better condition than he ever had it in, as it was a WWI British gun, probably picked up for cheap.
Sold back to us for $7.50 right after the war. The US guberment almost put Colt and S&W in bankruptcy selling the Model 1917's after WWI. When they were in the contract deal with Smith for the Victory Models, that was part of the deal that they couldn't sell them like that back to the public. That's why thousands of Victory Models went through the crushers.

w55
02-24-2013, 10:43 PM
Get that nickle .45 over here while I'm ordering Colt parts, I want to shoot that one too!

No problem:D

Capybara
02-24-2013, 10:48 PM
It's just so purty!