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DedEye
10-02-2007, 8:42 PM
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762cavalier
10-02-2007, 9:08 PM
I do believe that is the truth- however it opens the door to widen the ammo ban to other areas, eventually leading to a state-wide ban. It is the first step on the slippery slope of ammunition bans

RRangel
10-02-2007, 9:19 PM
SB15 was only to remove so called "unsafe" handguns for sale in California. Now look at it. We have very little choices from what the rest of the country can buy. It is being used to continually infringe on our rights because the gun banners are attempting to add more requirements to it. Remember the chamber load indicators, and magazine disconnects? This year it's unproven and costly "microstamping" technology. What next? It never stops.

It's a gun banners dream to pass a bill such as AB 821 into law. It won't stop there.

Salty
10-02-2007, 11:13 PM
Like I said in another post, they had lead concerns at the our local public range so they turned it into a lead free range and closed it to the public.
Yes, that's right, they esentialy made it an LEO only range because they felt that they couldn't trust us to use non lead bullets.

Imadgine what will happen if this passes and someone gets caught hunting with lead ammo and it gets to the media. They'll be asking to ban hunting outright in the condor range.

The Brit
10-03-2007, 7:47 AM
I do believe that is the truth- however it opens the door to widen the ammo ban to other areas, eventually leading to a state-wide ban. It is the first step on the slippery slope of ammunition bans

Absolutely. What's top stop them widening the Condor range to cover other areas of California. What's to stop them adding other, more widespread, animal habitats to the ban, etc, etc, etc. And then, they can start expanding to cover more than bullets, the lead from primers, for example.

As 762cavalier says, it's a slippery slope that WILL be exploited by the CA legislature.

Californio
10-03-2007, 8:38 AM
Pedro speaks with a forked tongue. Look at all the bills he has supported concerning firearms, to get a global picture, and you will see they lead to only one end, the banning of firearms in California. Also check on the issues his Wife supports. Pedro's view is the governement, he and his special people, must protect the lowly masses, us, from itself, I consider him a Socialist.

Subvertz
10-03-2007, 9:21 AM
Well when they find out the condor is the source of the avian flu pandemic, they'll be begging us to shoot 'em.

xrMike
10-03-2007, 9:43 AM
He also said it applied to centerfire only and not rimfires. Truth?That's really stupid if true, because the most recent spate of condor lead poisionings in San Benito county (multiple birds had to be recaptured and treated via chelation therapy) happened because some guys were out on BLM land and shot 20-30 ground squirrels with .22 rifles, and left the carcasses there, which were consumed by the birds.

If I remember right, something like 6-8 birds had to be brought in and treated.

Banning lead in centerfire cartridges won't prevent that from happening again.

Sampachi
10-03-2007, 11:17 AM
That's really stupid if true, because the most recent spate of condor lead poisionings in San Benito county (multiple birds had to be recaptured and treated via chelation therapy) happened because some guys were out on BLM land and shot 20-30 ground squirrels with .22 rifles, and left the carcasses there, which were consumed by the birds.

If I remember right, something like 6-8 birds had to be brought in and treated.

Banning lead in centerfire cartridges won't prevent that from happening again.

Hmmm, maybe that's the plan! If this law doesn't prevent it, then another law would be necessary!

762cavalier
10-03-2007, 12:42 PM
Hmmm, maybe that's the plan! If this law doesn't prevent it, then another law would be necessary!

Exactly! and thus we start down the slippery slope.

chris
10-03-2007, 1:02 PM
yep this is the camels nose under the tent. now is the time to smack that camel's nose with a frickin BOOT!!! these worthless lawmakers are bent on screwing us all sooner or later.

bwiese
10-03-2007, 2:58 PM
Now you guys understand.

No matter how innocuous an initial antigun law is - i.e, "not so bad, that doesn't bother me too much" - it's truly the slipperly slope. Such new laws establish frameworks that are easy to patch-in subsequent legislation.

Look...
- SB15, drop test + approved list;
- SB489, mag disconnect + loaded chamber indicator requirement;
- AB1471, microstamping requirement.

Our "good friends" at CRPA and SASS helped make the above possible.