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Applehaus21st
10-02-2007, 6:12 PM
I just wanted to get some input incase one of these days I may be able to afford another pistol.

I'd like to stick with 9mm.

I currently own USP 9mm and love it.

Thanks!

dee-vee
10-02-2007, 6:50 PM
p7m8 while you still can.

avidone
10-02-2007, 8:03 PM
Both!

leelaw
10-02-2007, 8:14 PM
P7m8

1911whore
10-02-2007, 8:21 PM
if you intend on extended range sessions the expert, if not and want concealability the p7 but really are comparing apples to bananas whats your intended use?

Hitman
10-02-2007, 9:32 PM
Hummm I have followed the Calguns rule and got BOTH!!

But the Expert sees more range time since the P7M8 gets a break when it gets too hot.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/ar15hitman/HK/5c8e2828.jpg

om221
10-02-2007, 9:49 PM
P7m13

Kelvrick
10-02-2007, 10:38 PM
Have you considered the Sig X5? I don't have much personal experience with each, but a friend has the Elite and X5 competition. He now only shoots his X5.

SVRider
10-03-2007, 11:28 AM
If you are considering a P7M8, don't doddle....the last 500 came into the US about 6 months ago...there will be no more.

From my perspective....my favorite 9mm....but I don't have any experience with the Expert.

aplinker
10-03-2007, 2:17 PM
P7m13

Why? The extra five rounds makes it bigger, less concealable and heat up faster. It's also about $500-1000 more.

The P7M8 is one fantastic gun. I think it will be much harder to duplicate and find in the future.

The Expert, on the other hand...

If you own a USP the only thing you gain is 1", a better trigger, adjustable sights and the O-Ring barrel. It helps a lot in accuracy, but it's not a fundamentally different gun. You could upgrade your USP to about 90% of that level. Newer HKs will get you even closer (Tactical with threads removed, etc.).

Cobrarlc
10-03-2007, 2:31 PM
I say the P7M8, since you would have a opportunity to own a piece of History. Turners in Norwalk has one on display as of this past Saturday at $1499.99. It may be hard to swallow now, but just wait in a few years it will be worth double.

mk19
10-03-2007, 3:00 PM
P7M8 would get my vote, however i dont see myself wanting to buy one. mainly since i buy weapons i'd want to use. but the p7's a just beautiful little things.

Applehaus21st
10-03-2007, 3:55 PM
Wow! Lots of input. Exactly what I'm looking for. This thread made me realize that I what I really want to do is more practical shooting therefore may be leaning towards the expert. I am just fascinated with the mechanisms of the P7's.

I'm also trying to gather some info about threaded Jarvis barrels.

Does anyone have any pics of a modified USP with an aftermarket compensator? Perhaps using the Jarvis barrel.

We'll see if the funds come.

Thanks everyone.

mike100
10-03-2007, 3:57 PM
I have a USP elite 45 and a p7m8. My plan is to have a pair and a spare of my best handguns. Looking for a good deal on another p7m8. The USP is great in it's own way..By far my most accurate handgun if you don't count my performance center model 29. Still, the P7 has personality and is more useful in a non-duty gun kind of way.

deez
10-03-2007, 4:36 PM
P7m8!

SoCal1911
10-03-2007, 8:15 PM
The P7M8 is an very good pistol. Great for concealment, but a little heavy.
Does get hot after shooting 2-3 mags. Very accurate and always goes bang.
You do not see many for sale and when you do it will cost you the big $$$.I got a steal on mine at an auction, $600 NIB. If I ever find another for a good price I would not blink twice.I love my sqeezecocker!

hkuspc40
10-03-2007, 11:06 PM
For your purpose (practical shooting), the Expert will be a better choice. I was under the impression that the 9mm Expert is not available for sale in CA? Only the .45's are correct?

avidone
10-03-2007, 11:12 PM
For a non LEO, the Expert 9mm is only available via PPT in CA.

drdanno84
10-03-2007, 11:34 PM
Buy the P7M8! I own 5 of them including the jubilee and a NIB P7M13. They are absolutely the best engineered pistols ever made. The accuracy is unremarkable for having only a 4.25" barrel. I love my 1911's and colt pythons, but the P7M8's are my first choice for personal defense and target shooting

82A1CAL
10-03-2007, 11:47 PM
Another vote for P7M8! Only complain is gun get hot after a few mags. Good trigger, accurate and unique! Get it while you can. It actually fell off the DOJ list early this month but was back on after a week.


The P7M8 is an very good pistol. Does get hot after shooting 2-3 mags.

JPB
10-04-2007, 1:52 PM
Is the USP Expert really head and shoulders better in performance than the USP? I've got a USP 45, and it's hard to imagine making that thing any more accurate than it already is. The HK match triggers are readily available, and so are adjustable sights if you want them. After creating one jagged hole in the target at 15 yards, I doubt that there's anything that an o-ring and an extra inch of barrel is gonna get me. Got a couple of P7M8s also, they will always be my favorite handguns. Beautiful pistol cut out of a chunk of steel. Works of metallurgical art. So as for getting a P7 or Expert, get the P7. With your existing USP, you don't need the Expert.

tankerman
10-04-2007, 2:37 PM
Buy the P7M8! I own 5 of them including the jubilee and a NIB P7M13. They are absolutely the best engineered pistols ever made. The accuracy is unremarkable for having only a 4.25" barrel. I love my 1911's and colt pythons, but the P7M8's are my first choice for personal defense and target shooting
Sounds like you're redy for a P7M10

aplinker
10-04-2007, 3:35 PM
Is the USP Expert really head and shoulders better in performance than the USP? I've got a USP 45, and it's hard to imagine making that thing any more accurate than it already is. The HK match triggers are readily available, and so are adjustable sights if you want them. After creating one jagged hole in the target at 15 yards, I doubt that there's anything that an o-ring and an extra inch of barrel is gonna get me. Got a couple of P7M8s also, they will always be my favorite handguns. Beautiful pistol cut out of a chunk of steel. Works of metallurgical art. So as for getting a P7 or Expert, get the P7. With your existing USP, you don't need the Expert.

I find a moderately significant difference in my ability to shoot my Expert over my full-size (both are .45, though). Perceived recoil is less, which helps accuracy. This is probably from both the length and weight. I would say you could easily build an Expert competitor by changing the trigger, sights and barrel (just trigger and barrel would probably do it, too).

Whether it's worth the $3-500 to do it or just buy a $1000 Expert? Personal choice.

Black Majik
10-04-2007, 3:55 PM
As rare as P7M8s are, there is still new production P7M8s to be found from the last batch. Good luck finding a 9mm Expert. I've looked and looked, they're not on the list and no one's willing to give theirs up!

E__WOK
10-05-2007, 8:09 PM
Buy the gun that won't melt.