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eighteenninetytwo
02-20-2013, 12:40 PM
Saw one in a pawn store this weekend. Defnitely dated 1960. The stamp on the receiver didn't look like any Ishvesk or tula mark I'd ever seen either. Any ideas where it could have been made at that date,

Chaos47
02-20-2013, 12:45 PM
1960 would not be Russian.
Without more info to go on it could be Chinese or one of the many soviet countries or allies.
But I think China was the only one that made them in 1960

http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44EEC.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44R.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44H.htm
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinM44P.htm


Did it look like this?
http://7.62x54r.net/MosinID/0171.jpg

Emdawg
02-20-2013, 1:39 PM
^^^^ What he said. Most likely a T53, the Chinese model of the M44. I think the Chinese were the only ones to make M44 style carbine into the 60's.

eighteenninetytwo
02-20-2013, 2:25 PM
That be it exactly. Is it a t 53 then? Are they rare?

Emdawg
02-20-2013, 2:42 PM
They are considered rare uncommon if all the parts are matching. Do the parts on your gun match?

SVT-40
02-20-2013, 3:16 PM
Not "rare" at all. Being matching would just set it apart from one which was not. Condition, in addition to having matching numbers determines value.

Emdawg
02-20-2013, 3:26 PM
Not "rare" at all. Being matching would just set it apart from one which was not. Condition, in addition to having matching numbers determines value.


A matching T53, when compared to all other Nagant carbines is not "rare", let alone "rare" when compared to Mosin Nagants as a whole.

A T53 that is matching, when compared to other T53's is "rare", just not in the same sense as a M91 by Remington "rare".

I guess "rare" was not the best word, maybe "uncommon", but I didn't know this was Sibley's Guide to Guns.:rolleyes:

Chaos47
02-20-2013, 3:34 PM
They where imported many years ago and where in good (possibly refurbished) condition but typically had poor rifling. Then there where the Omega ones which where in rough condition. Later arms from China where banned from importation. In 2012 a batch was allowed to be imported (Possibly from Albania) These have rougher stocks as they where not refurbished but all the ones I have seen have decent bluing and strong rifling.

A 1960 is an odd year because it was the last year of production after a couple years of them not making them (Probably made SKS during that time).

Check for import markings...

DennisCA
02-20-2013, 3:44 PM
Yea - How was the stock - beat to crap?

If so prob a Chicom

SVT-40
02-20-2013, 5:04 PM
A matching T53, when compared to all other Nagant carbines is not "rare", let alone "rare" when compared to Mosin Nagants as a whole.

A T53 that is matching, when compared to other T53's is "rare", just not in the same sense as a M91 by Remington "rare".

I guess "rare" was not the best word, maybe "uncommon", but I didn't know this was Sibley's Guide to Guns.:rolleyes:

Using terms such as "rare" or "uncommon" are important when discussing firearms as to most folks the terms "rare" or "uncommon" mean something has a much greater value. Chinese T-53 rifles are very common and have been imported for many decades. At various times wholesalers have offered these rifles for sale both in matching as well as not matching condition. They have been offered in new as well as junky condition.

My point is we as collectors should be careful when describing items, and not inflate their true rarity.

In the sales flier below Briklee Trading had both matching $69.95 and not matching $39.95 T-53's for sale. Navy Arms, another large national wholesaler had similar rifles for sale. Both matching and not matching.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w201/SVT-40/Scans%20%20Photos%20ect/doc284-1-1.jpg

eighteenninetytwo
02-20-2013, 10:30 PM
Rifle was in great condition until you looked down the barrel. Ridden hard and put away wet!!!!