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Mad-B-Man
02-20-2013, 11:22 AM
It's such a shame that I can't buy one right now. Anyone want to order a few and hold one for me? :D

http://www.classicfirearms.com/c-r-eligible/m38rifle

edit: I couldn't resist.

Chaos47
02-20-2013, 11:31 AM
Guess I need to go put cash into my account!

Anyone have experience with Molot refinished rifles? Where the last batch of M44 done by them?

ATM I can add 944 into the shopping cart... Lets see how fast they go..

Mad-B-Man
02-20-2013, 11:37 AM
Yes, the last M44 batch was molot. Although they didn't do anything aside from pack the guns into boxes.

bbguns44
02-20-2013, 11:44 AM
I have 2 Molot 91/30 snipers & 4 M44s. Molot guns are in much better
condition than regular Big 5 Mosins. Clearly selected from better grades.
Aim should have them as well.

eagle eye
02-20-2013, 11:48 AM
I have 2 Molot 91/30 snipers & 4 M44s. Molot guns are in much better
condition than regular Big 5 Mosins. Clearly selected from better grades.
Aim should have them as well.
Glad I didn't buy the hex mosins from aim, I just order one, I will be making one I have available for sale.

morrell
02-20-2013, 12:35 PM
Look at the pictures of the side of the receiver. Worst refurb markings I have ever encountered

Chaos47
02-20-2013, 12:40 PM
While they are large IMO they look better then the crappy dot-matrix C.A.I. uses...

I really want to replace my older import M38 that a previous owner drilled and tapped but it has a tiny import mark on the barrel under the cleaning rod if I remember correct Knox Tn.

So for me it comes down to drilled and tapped or large import mark..

lasbrg
02-20-2013, 1:14 PM
Look at the pictures of the side of the receiver. Worst refurb markings I have ever encountered

+1 "Made in Russia" jeez!

I am going to pass because I've gone over my Mosin quota for the month. I think these are priced right, though.

7.62x63mmUS
02-20-2013, 1:30 PM
Wow they are only 40 feet long:D

89 Vision
02-20-2013, 1:35 PM
Oh boy......shopping cart's loaded up......bye bye money. I see a lot of Top Ramen in my immediate future.

McNally M.
02-20-2013, 2:59 PM
While they are large IMO they look better then the crappy dot-matrix C.A.I. uses...

I really want to replace my older import M38 that a previous owner drilled and tapped but it has a tiny import mark on the barrel under the cleaning rod if I remember correct Knox Tn.

So for me it comes down to drilled and tapped or large import mark..

I've got a M24/47 that has the Knox Tn import mark beneath the barrel! Its amazing to see these M38's. I was led to believe the supply had already dried up. I could go for another, the one my dad and I bought about 7 years ago has more sentimental value in it than the cosmoline it was packed in, but dang it it a dog of a gun, the stock at least

Jeff213
02-20-2013, 6:23 PM
anyone in norcal ordering several of these? i would love to buy one after you take your picks of the crop.

Vlad 11
02-20-2013, 6:25 PM
Nice .. KO-38's are in. Classic got them up first, cant wait to see what they are like/if in M38 stocks.

Aim should be putting some up too, i'd guess that they will sort them by desirability . A '39 would be nice.

Capybara
02-20-2013, 8:37 PM
I have a decent amount of M44s. Other than no bayonet, is there any other difference?

Tmckinney
02-20-2013, 10:26 PM
I just ordered on of the Wiedners M44, and now these show up !! I wonder how the quality compares. Might have to ordering of each, darn it. Gotta sell something else.

cycle61
02-20-2013, 11:04 PM
I just ordered on of the Wiedners M44, and now these show up !! I wonder how the quality compares. Might have to ordering of each, darn it. Gotta sell something else.

:Ivan:

TS77
02-20-2013, 11:12 PM
I have a decent amount of M44s. Other than no bayonet, is there any other difference?

No real difference, but that pound and a half less makes the m38s handle EXTREMELY well

rodngun762
02-20-2013, 11:26 PM
"made in russia" ?

and that's not even an import mark, from what I can tell. it's a model number with proofing. what exactly is a "ko-38?"


conspiracy theorist in me says they are using the old tooling to make new rifles! seriously though... is this the mitchell's mauser of mosins?

That wood does not look like anything i've ever seen from ww2 production and the "made in russia" stamp has me skeptical

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=207004&d=1361431513

Mad-B-Man
02-21-2013, 12:10 AM
The made in russian stuff is for their export. They don't just sell them to the US as far as I know, so maybe it's legally for some other country.

While these are just repacks, they do have their own new production, which shares the same model designation as the repacks.

They aren't too bad IMO

Capybara
02-21-2013, 6:18 AM
As much as I would like one, if there are no significant difference between my M44s and the M38 besides the bayonet, I am going to pass. I think that the import marks would negate much collector interest in these, although who knows?

One78Shovel
02-21-2013, 1:14 PM
Man, this is tempting but I have Mosins to the max. But no M38. With another M44 from Wideners coming maybe I need to just pass.

I don't thik so.

BTW- Whoever did not like AIMS HEX Mosins must of got a lemon. I picked one up early last year from them that is mint!

-178S

stevie
02-21-2013, 3:44 PM
Ordered a couple, hope they are nice.

Bobby Ricigliano
02-21-2013, 4:44 PM
Yes I ordered one this morning. I figure on Jan 1 my FFL03 becomes worthless anyway.

emcon5
02-21-2013, 8:41 PM
If you want one (or think you might want one), don't screw around. They had 900+ yesterday lunchtime, now they have about 250.

At this rate, they will be out before noon tomorrow.

bellts
02-21-2013, 8:54 PM
I just put 200 in my cart.... too bad I don't have $41,522.52 to spare

McNally M.
02-21-2013, 9:50 PM
Why wasn't I 18 when these M38's were sitting at every Big 5 and gun shop? I look back on my father's impulse buy of our ratty M38 and feel so fortunate. I gave him so much heat for not getting a silly M24/47. An M38 was clearly the better choice because nowadays they only surface like this once in blue moon. Ergg I need to start working on getting my 03!

oca23
02-22-2013, 6:58 AM
Update from classic regarding the m38's - "We have sold 75% of our M38 shipment in 24 hours. If I had to guess these will easily be sold out by mid afternoon. If you are on the fence - buy now or miss out."

MackMan
02-22-2013, 7:53 AM
I couldn't resist. Just ordered one.

cycle61
02-22-2013, 8:04 AM
Of course they come up for sale right after I spend my extra $$$ on a bunch of reloading supplies. :(

Capybara
02-22-2013, 9:06 AM
Lotta discussion over on the Mosin Nagant forums from the hardcore collectors that these M38s are mongrels/mixmasters, refinished recently by Molot. Good shooters I am sure but don't buy one thinking you are getting something rare or collectible. The Mosin snobs (yes, there are many) liken these to a Mitchell's Mauser.

0311Dvl
02-22-2013, 9:29 AM
Lotta discussion over on the Mosin Nagant forums from the hardcore collectors that these M38s are mongrels/mixmasters, refinished recently by Molot. Good shooters I am sure but don't buy one thinking you are getting something rare or collectible. The Mosin snobs (yes, there are many) liken these to a Mitchell's Mauser.

These were done by the same company that did the last M44's that u yourself bought and I am sure your happy right. I never order nagants online praying for miracle collectors. Those were finds that I went searching for. I own 4 already if I dont like it I will sell. But classic doesnt have a reputation that deserves to be in same sentence as mitchells

emcon5
02-22-2013, 9:34 AM
Lotta discussion over on the Mosin Nagant forums from the hardcore collectors that these M38s are mongrels/mixmasters, refinished recently by Molot. Good shooters I am sure but don't buy one thinking you are getting something rare or collectible. The Mosin snobs (yes, there are many) liken these to a Mitchell's Mauser.

How would they know? Has anyone actually received one yet?

0311Dvl
02-22-2013, 9:46 AM
How would they know? Has anyone actually received one yet?

They dont all speculation.

emcon5
02-22-2013, 10:02 AM
There has been some speculation on Molot refurbing these recently, My guess is that they are doing the same thing they did for the PU Snipers.

Take them out of crates, wipe off some of the cosmoline and box them as "hunting rifles", to get through any EU Bullshiat on exporting military rifles.

They guy comparing them to Mitchel's Mausers is an idiot.

TRICKSTER
02-22-2013, 10:32 AM
There has been some speculation on Molot refurbing these recently, My guess is that they are doing the same thing they did for the PU Snipers.

Take them out of crates, wipe off some of the cosmoline and box them as "hunting rifles", to get through any EU Bullshiat on exporting military rifles.

They guy comparing them to Mitchel's Mausers is an idiot.

Just read that thread, idiocy seems to be quite common over there and the owner is leading the pack on this subject.

One78Shovel
02-22-2013, 11:10 AM
they have less than 20 right now.

The heck with it

-178S

mumbles
02-22-2013, 11:27 AM
I thought my C&R was on file with them but it's not coming up in the list for my town. Faxed it over to them and have a M38 in the cart but I'm doubtful it'll get processed in time...

89 Vision
02-22-2013, 11:35 AM
I thought my C&R was on file with them but it's not coming up in the list for my town. Faxed it over to them and have a M38 in the cart but I'm doubtful it'll get processed in time...

I'm in the same boat. Sent my C&R in a few months ago but it never got processed. Classic is now out of M38's so it's too late. Hope AIM gets some in, cuz' I'm going to be pissed if I miss this batch.

One78Shovel
02-22-2013, 11:49 AM
I thought my C&R was on file with them but it's not coming up in the list for my town. Faxed it over to them and have a M38 in the cart but I'm doubtful it'll get processed in time...

That happened to me too. I just got off the phone. She said that was no reason I could not find mine.

She rang it up

-178S

sd_shooter
02-22-2013, 12:15 PM
Sent in a scan of my FFL03 this morning and half an hour later it appeared in their online FFL search. (When I tried earlier nothing came up, but possibly that's because my first one had expired.)

Anyway, I got mine! I would never have guessed that a mini mosin would be rare, but I'll have to trust the wisdom of the web on this one. :cool:

mumbles
02-22-2013, 12:29 PM
Called them a few times and after getting through we cleared it up and I'm now on the list. Unfortunately they were sold out by that time. Some other time, I suppose...

Mad-B-Man
02-22-2013, 12:32 PM
Lotta discussion over on the Mosin Nagant forums from the hardcore collectors that these M38s are mongrels/mixmasters, refinished recently by Molot. Good shooters I am sure but don't buy one thinking you are getting something rare or collectible. The Mosin snobs (yes, there are many) liken these to a Mitchell's Mauser.

No offense to gunboards or 7.62x54r.net, but a lot of people there don't know what they're talking about. I was reading the thread over at gun boards a few days ago and it was one guy who was saying that these are molot refinished with no real evidence as side from conjuncture. He hasn't even seen them and is probably going off the fact that it has a molot model number (the KO prefix) and a manual with dating in it. Some people think that the date and signature in the small booklet is the refurbished date, but it's actually the packing date.

I'm not saying that these aren't commercial refinishes, those have appeared before, but with how molot dealt with the M44 and with the PUs, there isn't any weight to that claim either. With the PUs, there was a massive, massive thread about people saying that they aren't legit and are fake. They were eventually proved wrong and that the PUs were from Bryansk military storage (which is likely where the M44s and M38s are from as well). Then the argument went to they aren't as collectable becuase they were refurbed (by the military) at a later date and have more import marks. I'd wait to actually see for myself, or hear from other people who have ordered them and are familiar with mosins.

A few of the comments on gunboards also attack classic's credibility, since they did pull a Mitchell in the past and some are still rather upset with that. Although I have bought from them a few times and everything was fine. Their scare tactics is a little annoying, but that has nothing to do with the guns really. Some are also complaining about issues that is inherit to online gun purchases as well, which again, has nothing to do with the guns themselves.

Of course though, it is true as you say. Don't expect a collectable at these prices.

sorry for the rant. I get rustled easily and gun boards discussions usually gets me twice as hard. That's why I don't post there often.

Also, a tip for people who wanted to order but FFL isn't on their list yet (I think it's a stupid system myself)

Place an order, and just use an expired FFL on the list, then leave a comment on the order saying that you are already sent (or is going to send) your 03 already and to ignore the ffl and shipping address you used to place to order with. That's what I did with my first order and it worked fine.

Vlad 11
02-22-2013, 1:02 PM
Lotta discussion over on the Mosin Nagant forums from the hardcore collectors that these M38s are mongrels/mixmasters, refinished recently by Molot. Good shooters I am sure but don't buy one thinking you are getting something rare or collectible. The Mosin snobs (yes, there are many) liken these to a Mitchell's Mauser.

Absolute FUD.

These will be essentially as any other Soviet refurbished MosinNagant. The big difference being these are from Russia proper as opposed to being from Ukrainian depots.

If the 'Russian' M44 (KO-44) that were processed by Molot are any indication these may be of superb quality. Early reports are that many are not counterbored (the majority of refurb M38's are. Did Molot rebarrel or add some rifling to these? :rolleyes:)
Also many may be in M38 stocks. If anyone thinks a M38 refurb isnt collectable, well good luck with your acquiring all original examples.

We'll have to see if any '39s, 45's, tulas, hexes, SA recaptures! early stocks SHOW UP... those would be huge scores

All Molot does is obtain the rifles from arms depositories. Account and document them. Give them a cursory cleaning. Then they laser etch them as per thier requirments for domestic sale and exporting. Remember, the US cant import military arms from Russia, but we can import hunting rifles ;)

We are lucky to have these hunting rifles available to us at this time

Mad-B-Man
02-22-2013, 1:39 PM
If anyone thinks a M38 refurb isnt collectable, well good luck with your acquiring all original examples.

There certainly will be rare examples, but if the previous PU and M44 lots are any indication, those will be separated and sold at higher prices. Both AIM and Classic did this with the PU, and AIM did it again with the M44s. Classic claims that they aren't sorting these though, so who knows what might show up.

One78Shovel
02-22-2013, 3:23 PM
Have to see which shows up first now. The M38 from Classic or the Wideners M44

-178S

Capybara
02-22-2013, 4:30 PM
FWIW, the discussions weren't on GB or the 7.62x54r boards, I read this on the Mosin Nagant boards. There are a lot of hardcore collectors over there from some of the answers, discussions and detail I have seen.

The consensus was that if refinish is done by the government arsenal they are okay with that, but if Molot is doing the refinish, they say that is Mitchell's Mausers territory. Doesn't matter to me, I would buy one if I wasn't buying ammo instead. I have too many Mosins anyway.

Thought it was an interesting discussion.

dinkydau
02-22-2013, 5:10 PM
So, is AIM out of the M38's? Am I correct? Or do they have them? Just want to make sure. I have my 03 License and can fax it to them if I decide to get one. I know by reading the thread comments they are running low.
I could pick up an M44 at a local gunshow but they want $260.
Any thoughts and advice please. Please PM too if you want.

emcon5
02-22-2013, 6:04 PM
So, is AIM out of the M38's? Am I correct?

They currently show as out of stock.
http://www.classicfirearms.com/m38rifle

If you have your 03, you can scan and send it to them, so they have it on file next time.

vincentvangerven
02-22-2013, 6:09 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_217/226404_M38_Mosins.html&page=7

nice of Aim to wait with this news until Classic was sold out!! f-ed up...

stevie
02-22-2013, 6:11 PM
Aim Surplus have not gotten any yet. Classic Arms sold out today.

As noted, fax or mail a copy of your C&R for next selling frenzy.

stevie
02-22-2013, 6:14 PM
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_2_217/226404_M38_Mosins.html&page=7

nice of Aim to wait with this news until Classic was sold out!! f-ed up...

Wow, glad i ordered a couple.

emcon5
02-22-2013, 10:19 PM
One of the guys on Gunboards got his, looks pretty damn good:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?304733-Classic-Firearms-M38-in-stock&p=2489677#post2489677

bplvr
02-22-2013, 10:50 PM
A special thanks to the O/P . I grabbed a couple. :D
I really enjoy this C&R addiction.

Vlad 11
02-22-2013, 10:55 PM
Yea the first one that showed up looks real nice

MrTokarev
02-23-2013, 7:47 AM
No offense to gunboards or 7.62x54r.net, but a lot of people there don't know what they're talking about. I was reading the thread over at gun boards a few days ago and it was one guy who was saying that these are molot refinished with no real evidence as side from conjuncture. He hasn't even seen them and is probably going off the fact that it has a molot model number (the KO prefix) and a manual with dating in it. Some people think that the date and signature in the small booklet is the refurbished date, but it's actually the packing date.

I'm not saying that these aren't commercial refinishes, those have appeared before, but with how molot dealt with the M44 and with the PUs, there isn't any weight to that claim either. With the PUs, there was a massive, massive thread about people saying that they aren't legit and are fake. They were eventually proved wrong and that the PUs were from Bryansk military storage (which is likely where the M44s and M38s are from as well). Then the argument went to they aren't as collectable becuase they were refurbed (by the military) at a later date and have more import marks. I'd wait to actually see for myself, or hear from other people who have ordered them and are familiar with mosins.

A few of the comments on gunboards also attack classic's credibility, since they did pull a Mitchell in the past and some are still rather upset with that. Although I have bought from them a few times and everything was fine. Their scare tactics is a little annoying, but that has nothing to do with the guns really. Some are also complaining about issues that is inherit to online gun purchases as well, which again, has nothing to do with the guns themselves.

Of course though, it is true as you say. Don't expect a collectable at these prices.

sorry for the rant. I get rustled easily and gun boards discussions usually gets me twice as hard. That's why I don't post there often.

Also, a tip for people who wanted to order but FFL isn't on their list yet (I think it's a stupid system myself)

Place an order, and just use an expired FFL on the list, then leave a comment on the order saying that you are already sent (or is going to send) your 03 already and to ignore the ffl and shipping address you used to place to order with. That's what I did with my first order and it worked fine.

What was the Mitchells problem Classic had? I'd never heard of it.

TRICKSTER
02-23-2013, 9:00 AM
What was the Mitchells problem Classic had? I'd never heard of it.

I think they chromed some Mosins.

0311Dvl
02-23-2013, 9:10 AM
I think they chromed some Mosins.

and if they did not idiot would believe they were REAL legit mosins. Unlike Mitchells that tries to pass them off as REAL Nazi mausers

stevied
02-23-2013, 9:10 AM
There may be a collectible or two in this batch as classic didn't hand pick through them and just sold them all at the same price. We will see here next week if any rarer ones surface. I ordered a few 91/30s from classic last year and one of them was a triple date mo marked so there is a good chance a few people will get lucky.

MrTokarev
02-23-2013, 2:33 PM
I think they chromed some Mosins.

I remember them chroming some Toks but they always seemed to be clear on the fact that they were the ones that did it. Doesn't seem quite as scandalous as Mitchells.

winchester1943
02-23-2013, 3:26 PM
I think there is a common misperception by some that Molot is doing some history-destroying monkeying with these rifles. Based on my recent Classic PU sniper buy experience, what you get are probably the same components that were stored together in Bryansk where they were mothballed in the late 50's-early 60's.

By the looks of it, all Molot does is:

1. Remove original arsenal packing and cosmo (my recently received sniper required very little clean-up other than wiping off some medium grade machine oil)
2. Make sure the rifle isn't an obvious dog. Apply appropriate markings to satisfy import requirements.
3. repack in bubble wrap and crunchy brown paper, rebox and label
4. Sell to the highest U.S. bidder/importer

Most convincing, two of the internet's foremost Mosin experts have vouched for the authenticity of this batch. Vic Thomas and Brent "Tuco" Snodgrass have posted their comments elsewhere. In fact, Tuco was bidding against I/O, Inc. to obtain this batch from Molot.

John Browning
02-23-2013, 4:40 PM
I think there is a common misperception by some that Molot is doing some history-destroying monkeying with these rifles. Based on my recent Classic PU sniper buy experience, what you get are probably the same components that were stored together in Bryansk where they were mothballed in the late 50's-early 60's.

By the looks of it, all Molot does is:

1. Remove original arsenal packing and cosmo (my recently received sniper required very little clean-up other than wiping off some medium grade machine oil)
2. Make sure the rifle isn't an obvious dog. Apply appropriate markings to satisfy import requirements.
3. repack in bubble wrap and crunchy brown paper, rebox and label
4. Sell to the highest U.S. bidder/importer

Most convincing, two of the internet's foremost Mosin experts have vouched for the authenticity of this batch. Vic Thomas and Brent "Tuco" Snodgrass have posted their comments elsewhere. In fact, Tuco was bidding against I/O, Inc. to obtain this batch from Molot.

I am positive you are 100% correct and am 100% disappointed that I missed out on these. Too many irons in the fire. I've been trying to sell a lot of guns to drum up cash for a land purchase, but keep moving backwards with new bills and new guns. I almost pulled the trigger on these, so post up those M38s.

....and PM me if you have one you want to sell. :)

emcon5
02-23-2013, 6:35 PM
I think there is a common misperception by some that Molot is doing some history-destroying monkeying with these rifles. Based on my recent Classic PU sniper buy experience, what you get are probably the same components that were stored together in Bryansk where they were mothballed in the late 50's-early 60's.

By the looks of it, all Molot does is:

1. Remove original arsenal packing and cosmo (my recently received sniper required very little clean-up other than wiping off some medium grade machine oil)
2. Make sure the rifle isn't an obvious dog. Apply appropriate markings to satisfy import requirements.
3. repack in bubble wrap and crunchy brown paper, rebox and label
4. Sell to the highest U.S. bidder/importer

Most convincing, two of the internet's foremost Mosin experts have vouched for the authenticity of this batch. Vic Thomas and Brent "Tuco" Snodgrass have posted their comments elsewhere. In fact, Tuco was bidding against I/O, Inc. to obtain this batch from Molot.

Back when they first appeared for sale, people were doubting the authenticity of these rifles, Tuco posted this:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=2211717#post2211717
These came from the Bryansk military storage facility

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=2211866#post2211866 (asked about documentation with the rifles)
Yes & no but I know as fact this is where they came from. I tried to buy these over a year ago. I'm limited in what I can say as I am under a confidentiality agreement (not from Io as I was bidding against them). Still I can state 100% as fact that is where these came from. There are no more snipers there at least none for sale. In time more info will come out on these & maybe "other" stuff as well. But to answer your question LC, there is paperwork but not paperwork with each rifle. Still as I saw the rifles there I am pretty sure where these came from. :laugh:

And Vic posted this:

http://forums.gunboards.com/showthread.php?p=2227137#post2227137
Just so you guys know- the guns were purchased from another party and Molot's only part in the action was the "commercial" sale and transfer of the rifles to circumvent a restriction of military weapons being transported across the EU. Thats why they are proofed and sold as "hunting rifles"

The only people I can see that doubt the authenticity of the Molot PUs seem to be the guys who paid $200 more for a PU from Rguns. Yeah, the import mark is uglier than the RGuns rifles, but a smaller import mark isn't worth $200 to me. Considering an original PU Scope and mount sell for $350 by themselves, a complete WW2 military sniper rifle for $600 is a screaming deal.

As to the M38, after seeing the one posted on Gunboards, I am looking forward to mine even more, if that is possible.

Vlad 11
02-23-2013, 7:29 PM
I am looking forward to mine even more, if that is possible.


Yea cant wait.


There are commercial reworked versions of Mosins by Molot. Anyone that has handled a refurb or two can see the clear difference. I just can't get what the hubub is about

I personally think the Rguns import stamp is the most hideous of all. Smack dab cheese grater on the top of the receiver. The laser etchings dont bother me too much. It seems these M38'shave the MOR style stamp on the receiver which is better than the PWarms billboard

TRICKSTER
02-24-2013, 9:04 PM
I remember them chroming some Toks but they always seemed to be clear on the fact that they were the ones that did it. Doesn't seem quite as scandalous as Mitchells.

Yep, everything that I have seen them advertise that were chromed were honestly described.

eagle eye
02-28-2013, 3:45 PM
My M38 has arrived, all number match except the magazine cross lined, laminated m44 stock, non counterbored bran new mirror bore I can not make up the year, I will get an idea when I disassemble.

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag132/eagleeyepb/Mosin%20M38%20laminated/fe0a01d2-5ecb-4903-9c31-cec88bbd2d39_zps68efb4d6.jpg

http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag132/eagleeyepb/Mosin%20M38%20laminated/e2e26fe6-e5f4-4fab-ae6b-542d665cc2b0_zps575ae16f.jpg

sfbay
02-28-2013, 3:57 PM
Nah

Chaos47
02-28-2013, 4:28 PM
My M38 has arrived, all number match except the magazine cross lined, laminated m44 stock, non counterbored I can not make up the year, I will get an idea when I disassemble.
http://i1302.photobucket.com/albums/ag132/eagleeyepb/Mosin%20M38%20laminated/e2e26fe6-e5f4-4fab-ae6b-542d665cc2b0_zps575ae16f.jpg

Looks like 1943 to me...

Nice stock even if it is 44 inletted.

winchester1943
02-28-2013, 4:30 PM
The M38's from this Classic batch were amazing. DDR stamps, wartime stocks, but the most incredible thing was the barrels seem to be almost virgin. Almost all reports say mirror bores, no counterbore. Most are plain jane 1942-1944 Izzy's but a few 1941's got through.

mosinnagantm9130
02-28-2013, 5:46 PM
Looks like 1943 to me...

Nice stock even if it is 44 inletted.

Looks like a 43 to me too.

The M38's from this Classic batch were amazing. DDR stamps, wartime stocks, but the most incredible thing was the barrels seem to be almost virgin. Almost all reports say mirror bores, no counterbore. Most are plain jane 1942-1944 Izzy's but a few 1941's got through.

Yep. I saw one 1940; no 1939 or 1945 though. I didn't see any tula M38s either.

One78Shovel
02-28-2013, 6:06 PM
The M38's from this Classic batch were amazing. DDR stamps, wartime stocks, but the most incredible thing was the barrels seem to be almost virgin. Almost all reports say mirror bores, no counterbore. Most are plain jane 1942-1944 Izzy's but a few 1941's got through.

Mine shipped yesterday. Very excited

-178S

bellts
02-28-2013, 6:40 PM
Wow ... those look great. Good luck guys. I was about to order one BUT I have to work on curbing the mosin addiction (but to be honest, if I didn't already have a M38 I would have ordered one - addiction or not).

I'm not a fan of those import markings though....

oca23
03-01-2013, 8:01 PM
Got my m38 today it is a 1943 all matching glad i made this impulse buy

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k105/saints2877/2012/AA3AB1F3-2339-47C3-90B4-EE2594138CCF-2116-0000029C8BD92DFA_zpsb3312a7e.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k105/saints2877/2012/A9F25210-E05B-4B7B-9F10-4600BE00631A-2116-0000029C889E1304_zps82708fe3.jpg
http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k105/saints2877/2012/1EB09377-A2E4-42B8-A7E5-009B0EBC42F9-2116-0000029C84E3E460_zpsc16fb692.jpg

ElvenSoul
03-01-2013, 8:07 PM
All gone :(

eagle eye
03-01-2013, 8:12 PM
Very nice, looks like a m44 stock. is it counterbored?

oca23
03-01-2013, 8:37 PM
Very nice, looks like a m44 stock. is it counterbored?


nope bore has not been counterbored

jazzmatazz
03-04-2013, 11:28 AM
All matching, but check out the stock...

robert060907
03-04-2013, 11:53 AM
I was one of the dummies waiting for aim to get theirs in. Anybody want to sell their extra one please pm me.

w55
03-04-2013, 12:28 PM
Mines suppose to be here today. By chance wrecked my back this weekend so be here when she arrives.

On side note took my 19 yo daughter out shooting another M38..she had a blast went thru about 20 rounds, recoil was fine lol

mosinnagantm9130
03-04-2013, 2:40 PM
All matching, but check out the stock...

The tang is a weak area of the M/N design, that's more common of a repair than you'd think. Still neat looking though.

emcon5
03-04-2013, 2:49 PM
Mine got here about an hour ago.

1939 Izhevsk in a M44 stock. Bore looks good, handguard and stock are mismatched, I am not sure what to make of the stock, looks like a wartime M44 (has the bayonet cutout), but almost looks laminated, with lots of grain.

http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/m38/stub.jpg

http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/m38/right1.jpg

http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/m38/butt.jpg

http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/m38/forearm.jpg

http://www.shedracing.net/imgmisc/m38/bore.jpg

mosinnagantm9130
03-04-2013, 2:54 PM
Is that a counterbore I spy?^^ If so, that's the first one I've seen from Molot that's been counterbored...it's been weird seeing all these non-counterbored M38s!

Nice grain in the stock, plus it's a 39? Yeah, that one is a keeper...:thumbsup:

jazzmatazz
03-04-2013, 3:14 PM
The tang is a weak area of the M/N design, that's more common of a repair than you'd think. Still neat looking though.

Thanks for that piece of info. Yes, overall a good looking all matching metal with M44 stock. It also came with oil/grease can and tool.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8389/8528730439_ece66d936f_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8509/8528117357_66a1b3bdfa_c.jpg
http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8108/8529229914_ea19063a3b_c.jpg

emcon5
03-04-2013, 3:37 PM
Is that a counterbore I spy?^^ If so, that's the first one I've seen from Molot that's been counterbored...it's been weird seeing all these non-counterbored M38s! No, not counterbored. I just manually focused down the barrel a bit, to try and better get the rifling.

Nice grain in the stock, plus it's a 39? Yeah, that one is a keeper...:thumbsup:

Yeah, I wish it was a M38 stock, but it is a good looking piece of wood. Magazine floor is lined out, but everything else matches.

Pretty happy.

w55
03-04-2013, 3:46 PM
No, not counterbored. I just manually focused down the barrel a bit, to try and better get the rifling.



Yeah, I wish it was a M38 stock, but it is a good looking piece of wood. Magazine floor is lined out, but everything else matches.

Pretty happy.

Mine jut came. It has same looking stock, non counter bored, 1944 all matching with same line out mag floor. Much cleaner than the one got off GB a few months ago, happy with it.

Vlad 11
03-04-2013, 5:12 PM
1939 Izhevsk in a M44 stock.

Nice score on the 1939.

Originally probably had the early type stock but that M44 stock is very nice looking anyway. You'll notice the early rear sights are different too