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glockman19
09-25-2007, 2:08 PM
I spoke with Frank the president of the Nevada Sheriff's and Chief's Association and he said that UTAH was on the list of states CCW that would be honored as of October 1, 2007. It is NOT true reciprocity as they are not signing reciprocity agreements with the states but they will be honored.

Book your flights today.:D

:party:

Cobrarlc
09-25-2007, 2:11 PM
Another good reason to apply for your Utah CCW.

glockman19
09-25-2007, 2:16 PM
Is this for Resident, Non-Resident, or both?

I understand it is for both Resident & Non-resident as it does NOT distinguish between the two just a valid UT permit

DedEye
09-25-2007, 2:28 PM
Isn't Florida's CCW recognized by Nevada, and can't you apply by mail?

glockman19
09-25-2007, 2:40 PM
Isn't Florida's CCW recognized by Nevada, and can't you apply by mail?

I'm not sure about Florida being on the list. I called him on his cell phone and wanted to be respectful. And NO you must take your CCW class in Nevada by an approved instructor.

Fate
09-25-2007, 2:43 PM
Can CCW permit holders carry in casinos?

MrTuffPaws
09-25-2007, 2:54 PM
Can CCW permit holders carry in casinos?

Yes. As long as you're sober.

VegasND
09-25-2007, 3:28 PM
Can CCW permit holders carry in casinos?

Casinos have no carry signs posted. You may choose to not see them. If you are identified they will ask you to leave. If you leave peacefully I've never heard of any problems.

code33
09-25-2007, 3:35 PM
It would be interesting to see which states are on this list.

http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/bills/Amendments/A_SB237_R1_887.pdf

1 Sec. 9. The Department of Public Safety shall prepare the initial list required
2 by section 3 of this act and provide a copy of that list to each law enforcement
3 agency in this State not later than October 1, 2007.

derek@thepackingrat.net
09-25-2007, 4:05 PM
Awesome.

metalhead357
09-25-2007, 7:18 PM
tag to watch this one:D

gotgunz
09-25-2007, 9:14 PM
What about permits issued from California?

(yes, they exist thank you!:rolleyes:)

TacFan
09-25-2007, 9:24 PM
Sweeeeeet. I have a UTAH ccw. I was going to get one for nevada as well but now I do not have to :D

But didn't Nevada require a shooting test as well whereas Utah doesn't ?

glockman19
09-26-2007, 8:58 AM
What about permits issued from California?

NO CA. Better get a UT permit.

CCWFacts
09-26-2007, 9:19 AM
What about permits issued from California?

(yes, they exist thank you!:rolleyes:)

California's permits are a joke.

1. They are black and white on ordinary paper. Easy to forge.
2. There is no way to verify them other than to call the issuing authority and hope that someone there can check it
3. There's no photo
4. No uniform state-wide training requirements
5. No assurance that the permit was issued legitimately

Can you imagine a highway patrol officer in some other state looking at a California CCW and trying to decide if it's real or not?

Desert Rat
09-26-2007, 9:48 AM
.................... Sour grapes to me.

California's permits are a joke.

1. They are black and white on ordinary paper. Easy to forge.
2. There is no way to verify them other than to call the issuing authority and hope that someone there can check it
3. There's no photo
4. No uniform state-wide training requirements
5. No assurance that the permit was issued legitimately

Can you imagine a highway patrol officer in some other state looking at a California CCW and trying to decide if it's real or not?

dustoff31
09-26-2007, 10:56 AM
California's permits are a joke.

2. There is no way to verify them other than to call the issuing authority and hope that someone there can check it


One of the specific requirements that Nevada put in the law is that other states must have a 24/7 electronic verification system.

CCWFacts
09-26-2007, 11:17 AM
One of the specific requirements that Nevada put in the law is that other states must have a 24/7 electronic verification system.

Which is totally reasonable, especially when the permits are so easy to forge as California's. Our permits should be DoJ-issued, DL-style, with a central computer database of them. Unfortunately a system like that would not find a lot of support from a few powerful sheriffs in this state.

dustoff31
09-26-2007, 11:26 AM
Which is totally reasonable, especially when the permits are so easy to forge as California's. Our permits should be DoJ-issued, DL-style, with a central computer database of them. Unfortunately a system like that would not find a lot of support from a few powerful sheriffs in this state.

Yes, a DL style permit, and state level issue, preferably "shall isssue", would take care of it.

slick_711
09-26-2007, 11:28 AM
Which is totally reasonable, especially when the permits are so easy to forge as California's. Our permits should be DoJ-issued, DL-style, with a central computer database of them. Unfortunately a system like that would not find a lot of support from a few powerful sheriffs in this state.

That'd be an expensive system to initially put into place, and considering how *few* permits there are to monitor... :rolleyes:

Also, maybe it varies by county, but in San Diego the permits do have a photo. They are on normal paper though and seem easy to forge.

CCWFacts
09-26-2007, 12:15 PM
That'd be an expensive system to initially put into place, and considering how *few* permits there are to monitor... :rolleyes:

Wouldn't be that expensive. They already have handgun and AW reg systems. This wouldn't be that different. Any contracting company could build something like that from scratch for about $100k or less, which works out to about $2 per permit.

Also, maybe it varies by county, but in San Diego the permits do have a photo. They are on normal paper though and seem easy to forge.

It varies by county.

gotgunz
09-26-2007, 7:25 PM
California's permits are a joke.

1. They are black and white on ordinary paper. Easy to forge.
2. There is no way to verify them other than to call the issuing authority and hope that someone there can check it
3. There's no photo
4. No uniform state-wide training requirements
5. No assurance that the permit was issued legitimately

Can you imagine a highway patrol officer in some other state looking at a California CCW and trying to decide if it's real or not?


You obviously (from the above statement) don't have one... Hater!

:rolleyes:

glockman19
09-26-2007, 7:41 PM
Forgot to mention...you also need to register your handguns with the local PD or Sd when you arrive in Vegas/Clark County. Procedure is:

Go to PD/SD. (leave firearm in car).
Notify them you are here to register your CCW handguns for a Blue Card
Complete form, Bring in Firearm(s) and have them do a Serial # registration & Check to see you are the owner.
Get Blue Card.
There is no limit to the number of guns you can register.
You need a Blue Card even if you have a CCW.

MedSpec65
09-26-2007, 7:47 PM
Sweeeeeet. I have a UTAH ccw. I was going to get one for nevada as well but now I do not have to :D

But didn't Nevada require a shooting test as well whereas Utah doesn't ?
Me too. This is great news. We'll have to stay on this subject to absolutely confirm it. Maybe a trip to NV and a sit-down with a local LEO is in order. And, yeah, what about the range qualification test required by Nevada?

Python2
09-26-2007, 7:53 PM
California's permits are a joke.

1. They are black and white on ordinary paper. Easy to forge.
2. There is no way to verify them other than to call the issuing authority and hope that someone there can check it
3. There's no photo
4. No uniform state-wide training requirements
5. No assurance that the permit was issued legitimately

Can you imagine a highway patrol officer in some other state looking at a California CCW and trying to decide if it's real or not?

Excuse me for correcting you:

First, while its black and white rice paper my PD at least laminated my permit.
Second, a photo was attached to my permit together with my finger print next to it.
Third, PD is manned 24/7 so anyone can check 24/7
Fourth, the permit has number like a drivers license.

MedSpec65
09-26-2007, 7:53 PM
Forgot to mention...you also need to register your handguns with the local PD or Sd when you arrive in Vegas/Clark County. Procedure is:

Go to PD/SD. (leave firearm in car).
Notify them you are here to register your CCW handguns for a Blue Card
Complete form, Bring in Firearm(s) and have them do a Serial # registration & Check to see you are the owner.
Get Blue Card.
There is no limit to the number of guns you can register.
You need a Blue Card even if you have a CCW.Is this the procedure for ALL Nevada Counties?

TacFan
09-26-2007, 7:53 PM
Forgot to mention...you also need to register your handguns with the local PD or Sd when you arrive in Vegas/Clark County. Procedure is:

Go to PD/SD. (leave firearm in car).
Notify them you are here to register your CCW handguns for a Blue Card
Complete form, Bring in Firearm(s) and have them do a Serial # registration & Check to see you are the owner.
Get Blue Card.
There is no limit to the number of guns you can register.
You need a Blue Card even if you have a CCW.

great thanks for the info :D This news just made me order a Kahr PM9

Desert Rat
09-26-2007, 8:01 PM
......................... Spends just fine in California and 14 other states.

Washington State and Pennsylvania CCWs, both "shall issue" states, are pretty much the same as CA CCWs yet I only hear praise about them from packers in WA & PA. The less "papers" I have the happier I am.


You obviously (from the above statement) don't have one... Hater!

:rolleyes:

glockman19
09-26-2007, 9:41 PM
Python2, Desert Rat,

We're talking about NEVADA and your CA permit won't be honored. You'll need a NV, UT or other permit to carry there.

Sorry Charley.

CCWFacts
09-26-2007, 9:44 PM
First, while its black and white rice paper my PD at least laminated my permit.

Ok, it's not ordinary copy paper, but it is some type of thin rice paper which you can probably get at art supply stores. Back to the point about out-of-state LEOs: they'll have no way of knowing any of these nuances. Is it the right type of rice paper? Who knows?

Some authorities laminate them, others do not.

Second, a photo was attached to my permit together with my finger print next to it.

Some have photos, some do not.

Third, PD is manned 24/7 so anyone can check 24/7

Not all 500+ PDs and SDs in this state are manned 24/7. And even if they are manned 24/7 that doesn't mean that someone who is there has access to the CCW file. They should, but they may or may not. We saw on this board a post where it took LASD a couple of weeks to dig up a permit that was issued just a few years ago (Stallone's). And I've seen the LASD spreadsheet. It had some misspellings and duplicate names. If there are duplicate names, one can assume there are also omitted names. And this is LASD, which is a big urban department, and its records are not in order. Other departments are probably even less organized. Remember, these permits can (and sometimes are) hand-written. I'm sure there are validly-issued, current permits out there where there is no paperwork in the files to confirm them.

Fourth, the permit has number like a drivers license.

But again, if the records themselves are not available (no one is there, no one has access to the file, or the files are in disorder) that number doesn't help.

Desert Rat
09-27-2007, 1:10 AM
...............Highjacked to ***** about the CA CCW form. I am only responding to the highjack. If you insist on returning to topic, I have NV, UT and 9 others.

Python2, Desert Rat,

We're talking about NEVADA and your CA permit won't be honored. You'll need a NV, UT or other permit to carry there.

Sorry Charley.

bulgron
09-27-2007, 1:28 AM
Will Arizona be honored in Nevada? I go to Arizona for a week or two every year (around Christmas), and I've been thinking about trying for a permit there if it fits my schedule.

stevie
09-27-2007, 4:16 AM
Is this the procedure for ALL Nevada Counties?

Only Clark County (Las Vegas area)

Dang just renewed my NV CHL.

dustoff31
09-27-2007, 6:58 AM
Will Arizona be honored in Nevada? I go to Arizona for a week or two every year (around Christmas), and I've been thinking about trying for a permit there if it fits my schedule.

We won't know for sure until the 1st. But all indications are that AZ will be honored.

Oh, and as to the blue card in Clark County, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that you don't have to register if you'll be there for 24 hours or less.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 6:59 AM
From a source on a Nevada TV station, the first batch is;

Alaska
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

glockman19
09-27-2007, 6:59 AM
dustoff31,

Sorry AZ NOT honored

stevie
09-27-2007, 7:03 AM
We won't know for sure until the 1st. But all indications are that AZ will be honored.

Oh, and as to the blue card in Clark County, someone correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that you don't have to register if you'll be there for 24 hours or less.

Its either 24 or 48 hours. Best to just get the blue card, takes all of 15 minutes unless busy.

Python2
09-27-2007, 7:08 AM
Python2, Desert Rat,

We're talking about NEVADA and your CA permit won't be honored. You'll need a NV, UT or other permit to carry there.

Sorry Charley.

I was just commenting on CCWFacts post! And no sorry Charley, I do have NV and UT:)

dustoff31
09-27-2007, 7:08 AM
dustoff31,

Sorry AZ NOT honored


Really? Oh well, I don't go there anyway.

Python2
09-27-2007, 7:12 AM
Ok, it's not ordinary copy paper, but it is some type of thin rice paper which you can probably get at art supply stores. Back to the point about out-of-state LEOs: they'll have no way of knowing any of these nuances. Is it the right type of rice paper? Who knows?

Some authorities laminate them, others do not.



Some have photos, some do not.



Not all 500+ PDs and SDs in this state are manned 24/7. And even if they are manned 24/7 that doesn't mean that someone who is there has access to the CCW file. They should, but they may or may not. We saw on this board a post where it took LASD a couple of weeks to dig up a permit that was issued just a few years ago (Stallone's). And I've seen the LASD spreadsheet. It had some misspellings and duplicate names. If there are duplicate names, one can assume there are also omitted names. And this is LASD, which is a big urban department, and its records are not in order. Other departments are probably even less organized. Remember, these permits can (and sometimes are) hand-written. I'm sure there are validly-issued, current permits out there where there is no paperwork in the files to confirm them.



But again, if the records themselves are not available (no one is there, no one has access to the file, or the files are in disorder) that number doesn't help.

Hmnnn, OK you are right in all your points. Our Cali CCW sucks. I cant even put my laminated permit in a standard size wallet:mad: Back to topic then.

JimAmentler
09-27-2007, 7:25 AM
Will Arizona be honored in Nevada? I go to Arizona for a week or two every year (around Christmas), and I've been thinking about trying for a permit there if it fits my schedule.

Why not get the Utah permit? The AZ permit class MUST be taken in AZ. Utah can be taken anywhere and it is honored in AZ and will apparently be honored in NV as well.

tango-52
09-27-2007, 7:48 AM
This is good news. The only question remaining is if they will honor UT permits issued to non-UT residents. Colorado did, but now doesn't. Next ski trip is to Utah, not Colorado, for us.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 8:40 AM
The only question remaining is if they will honor UT permits issued to non-UT residents.

The legislation only refers to the UT permit and does not Differentiate between Resident & non-resident permits.

Next ski trip is to Utah, not Colorado, for us.

YES many more to choose from too. my favorite Alta/Snowdird, little cottonwood Cyn and Brighton/Solitude, Cottonwood Cyn. Also a great place wher you can ski 7 different areas in the same day. Quite an experience.

EBWhite
09-27-2007, 8:51 AM
When did Colorado say they will not honor Out of state UT permits? I doubt that.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 8:56 AM
EBWhite,

When did Colorado say they will not honor Out of state UT permits? I doubt that.

The state of Colorado no longer recognizes the validity of any permit issued by any state to a nonresident of that state (see CRS 18-12-213 amended 2007).

effective May 18, 2007

Subvertz
09-27-2007, 9:52 AM
Anybody know if any of these states honor my Connecticut CCW?

Desert Rat
09-27-2007, 10:17 AM
http://www.handgunlaw.us/documents/USReciprocity.pdf

Anybody know if any of these states honor a Connecticutt CCW?

glockman19
09-27-2007, 11:35 AM
Reno Gazett-Journal
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/NEWS18/70927004&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

8 states' concealed gun permits valid here

Posted: 9/27/2007
STORY CHAT(read or post comments)

Beginning Oct. 1, the state of Nevada will recognize permits from eight other states that allow people to carry concealed weapons, the Nevada Department of Public Safety announced.

Those states are Alaska, Arkansas, Kansas, Louisiana, Missouri, Nebraska, Tennessee and Utah.

The 2007 Nevada Legislature passed a law that allowed concealed carry permits from other states to be used in Nevada. The Department of Public Safety, with the help of the Nevada Sheriffs and Chiefs Association, reviewed the laws from other states. It found 16 other states that had an electronic database accessible 24 hours a day that identifies valid permit holders. Of those 16, only eight had concealed carry permit laws that were as stringent or more stringent than Nevada, the Department of Public Safety said.

It will review the list of approved states every year, the Department of Public Safety said.

EricCartmann
09-27-2007, 11:58 AM
You have to be a Utah resident for the Nevada reprocity to be a no questions asked policy. If you are a CA resident, you better call the Nevada Dept. of Safety to be sure, and make sure you get it in writing like a link, or document, or something like that.

When I got my CCW in Nevada, the guy at behind the desk at the LV Metro PD told me with my Utah CCW, it is only good for Utah, all other states that allow the UTAH CCW, I would have to call to confirm if my Utah CCW + Nevada Residents would be ok.

This same fella also told me that Nevada does not accept a Utah CCW from CA residents.... again this is what he said, so you better call the Nevada Dept of Safety to be 100%.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 12:29 PM
You have to be a Utah resident for the Nevada reprocity to be a no questions asked policy.

WRONG. It covers ALL Utah permits.

you better call the Nevada Dept. of Safety to be sure, and make sure you get it in writing like a link, or document, or something like that.

Why didn't you call before posting errant informatioin?

When I got my CCW in Nevada, the guy at behind the desk at the LV Metro PD told me with my Utah CCW, it is only good for Utah, all other states that allow the UTAH CCW, I would have to call to confirm if my Utah CCW + Nevada Residents would be ok.

This same fella also told me that Nevada does not accept a Utah CCW from CA residents.... again this is what he said, so you better call the Nevada Dept of Safety to be 100%.

Who did you speak with? Name? Number?

Quiet
09-27-2007, 2:41 PM
When I got my CCW in Nevada, the guy at behind the desk at the LV Metro PD told me with my Utah CCW, it is only good for Utah, all other states that allow the UTAH CCW, I would have to call to confirm if my Utah CCW + Nevada Residents would be ok.

This same fella also told me that Nevada does not accept a Utah CCW from CA residents.... again this is what he said, so you better call the Nevada Dept of Safety to be 100%.

This was true.
But, it changed this year.
One of the changes allows NV to honor or have reciprocity with other states CCW permits. Finalized list of which states are effected has yet to be determined, but should be released on 10-01-2007.
The new NV CCW changes go into effect on 10-01-2007.

EricCartmann
09-27-2007, 3:12 PM
WRONG. It covers ALL Utah permits.



Why didn't you call before posting errant informatioin?



Who did you speak with? Name? Number?


I am helping you man. I don't want you in jail. That's how much I care about you. Muah!

Ignorance is not an excuse and you can believe handgunlaw.us if you want. But as for me, I would rather see the real 2007 state laws in writing.

I know where I am legit. You need to do your own research. I have Nevada residency with a Nevada CCW. Therefore I am "Guaranteed" to CCW in the following states:

- Nevada
- Utah
- Arizona
- Montana
- Idaho
- Oklahoma
- Texas
- South Dakota
- Minnesota
- Indiana
- Kentucky
- Tennessee
- Kansas
- Vermont

I also have a Utah CCW, and with this I have to check the local laws of that state to see if they will take a Utah CCW from non-Utah residence. Local laws are always changing.

You can trust www.hangunlaw.us if you want, but for me it is better to ask the law makers of that state. I know as of this year, Colorado, Michigan, New Hampshire, and Florida will not accept my Utah CCW because I am not a Utah resident, but they will accept the Utah CCW from Utah residents.

Hangunlaw.us says Wyoming will accept my Utah CCW, but as I said, you better believe I will call the Wyoming DOJ before I conceal carry there. Ignorance is not an excuse.

code33
09-27-2007, 3:40 PM
Glockman is correct.
Here is the final amendment to the bill (again):
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/bills/Amendments/A_SB237_R1_887.pdf

The legislation only refers to the UT permit and does not Differentiate between Resident & non-resident permits.

yallknowho
09-27-2007, 3:44 PM
so you can carry in LV with a Utah permit? I remember reading something about clark county having a different permit?

code33
09-27-2007, 3:48 PM
Clark County requires registration:
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/bills/Amendments/A_SB237_R1_887.pdf

Effective 10/01/2007, Utah permit is honored in NV according to the article previously posted. I'd confirm with NV DPS first, though.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 4:10 PM
code33,

Thank you

I have confirmed this with both the LVMPD 702-828-3996 and the President of the Sheriff & Chief's Association. Please feel free to make your own inquery to feel confident in carrying with your Utah non-resident permit. I'll be there next weekend. Arriving and registering/obtaining my Blue Card. I'll be at the range on Tropicana on Saturday firing their fully auto weapons.

Cheers

yallknowho,

You are still required to register ALL firearms wihtin 24 hours of arriving in Clark County. It's called a "Blue Card" Please read posts earlier in this thread that discuss when, where & how you can register your firearms.

ccwguy
09-27-2007, 4:26 PM
...............Highjacked to ***** about the CA CCW form. I am only responding to the highjack. If you insist on returning to topic, I have NV, UT and 9 others.

Gentlemen, we have a winner. The most CCWs collected by one person is Desert RAT with 11?

What states may the 'other' 9 be? Very curiously waiting.......

Desert Rat
09-27-2007, 4:41 PM
CA, CT, FL, ME, NV, NH, OR, PA, UT, VA & WA. I know, I know, some of them are redundant. Please don't tell me. I like to support states that issue non-resident permits. Besides, it is cheap entertainment, and, I am easily amused.


Gentlemen, we have a winner. The most CCWs collected by one person is Desert RAT with 11?

What states may the 'other' 9 be? Very curiously waiting.......

glockman19
09-27-2007, 4:48 PM
Please take the personal conversations to PM's. This thread is important and doesn't need to get off-topic or flamed.

Desert Rat, You're too cool for me :cool2: You win :yawn:

metalhead357
09-27-2007, 4:50 PM
Gentlemen, we have a winner. The most CCWs collected by one person is Desert RAT with 11?

What states may the 'other' 9 be? Very curiously waiting.......

And just think; while 11 is cool in one fashion...aint it stooopid it takes soooo many for the same protection in other states...

How about JUST ONE... a national one thats already been argued for a while; its MORE than time...and "THE ONE" is soooooooooooo much uber-cooler than 11 (save if its an amplifier:p;))

EricCartmann
09-27-2007, 5:00 PM
And just think; while 11 is cool in one fashion...aint it stooopid it takes soooo many for the same protection in other states...

How about JUST ONE... a national one thats already been argued for a while; its MORE than time...and "THE ONE" is soooooooooooo much uber-cooler than 11 (save if its an amplifier:p;))

Actually if you get just the Utah and Nevada CCW, that covers a whole bunch of states (about 30 states).

Some states are very tough. CA does not permit any CCW's except their own. Weird how Utah will take CA CCW's but CA won't take Utah's.

Quiet
09-27-2007, 5:19 PM
http://news.rgj.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070927/NEWS18/70927004&oaso=news.rgj.com/breakingnews

NV will honor CCW permits from:
Alaska
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

CCWFacts
09-27-2007, 5:35 PM
What, not Florida? I'm surprised by that.

MedSpec65
09-27-2007, 5:51 PM
CA, CT, FL, ME, NV, NH, OR, PA, UT, VA & WA. I know, I know, some of them are redundant. Please don't tell me. I like to support states that issue non-resident permits. Besides, it is cheap entertainment, and, I am easily amused.Desert Rat; Are all your permits NON-RESIDENT? I've been thinking about getting a North Carolina permit, if they issue NON-RESIDENT permits. This State is recognized by more than any other, I think.

MedSpec65
09-27-2007, 5:52 PM
What, not Florida? I'm surprised by that.It's probably the 24-hour verification requirement.

Desert Rat
09-27-2007, 5:57 PM
All are non-resident except for my CA CCW. That is to say, they all have my California address on them whether or not the actual permit is identified as non-resident. Some states do not differentiate between resident and non-resident.

Desert Rat; Are all your permits NON-RESIDENT? I've been thinking about getting a North Carolina permit, if they issue NON-RESIDENT permits. This State is recognized by more than any other, I think.

joe4702
09-27-2007, 5:58 PM
This may put a crimp in FLs non-resident CCW business, at least from CA residents. Now that NV recognizes UT, the UT permit becomes somewhat more useful than FL. Plus, FL reguires your fingerprint cards be done by LE, which is getting difficult, since many CA LE agencies are going to digital prints and no longer do ink prints for the public.

Desert Rat
09-27-2007, 6:18 PM
FL does not care how fingerprint images are generated. You can image them directly with ink or live scan and laser print from digital files generated by live scanning. Since the images obtained by live scanning are computer-compared and rejected if not up to requirements, the FBI now pretty much prefers live scan printouts and will often reject ink prints. If you are live scanned in FL, they will transmit the digital files electronically to the FBI. All other states are required to send ink prints or live scan printouts to FL for forwarding to the FBI.

Digital scanning swings.


This may put a crimp in FLs non-resident CCW business, at least from CA residents. Now that NV recognizes UT, the UT permit becomes somewhat more useful than FL. Plus, FL reguires your fingerprint cards be done by LE, which is getting difficult, since many CA LE agencies are going to digital prints and no longer do ink prints for the public.

glockman19
09-27-2007, 7:22 PM
What, not Florida? I'm surprised by that.

Florida does not require shooting to get the permit Utah does

Japedo
09-27-2007, 7:30 PM
I think that is backwards, I did not shoot one shot during my Utah class. The instructor then said he teaches a Florida class and they drive out to the range to qualify.


Florida does not require shooting to get teh permit Utah does

EBWhite
09-28-2007, 8:48 AM
When visiting Vegas for a few days, will you need to get a blue card with your Utah permit?

***I just read according to SB92 signed by NV gov. that visitors will not need to register the guns with LVMPD unless your staying over 60 days*** :-)

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 8:54 AM
I think that is backwards, I did not shoot one shot during my Utah class. The instructor then said he teaches a Florida class and they drive out to the range to qualify.

yep same here, was all classroom training to get my utah permit.

the utah application:
- need to be notorized and notoary stamped
- need instructor signature and instructor stamp
- need fingerprint card
- need one passport picture
- check for $59 (I heard this went up)

Ofcourse your milage may vary and this is what I did to get my Utah permit. I am sure someone (first name rhymes with glockman last name rhymes with nineteen) will tell me I am not credible because he did not like the experience I went through. :D

EBWhite
09-28-2007, 8:58 AM
Hey guys, quick question. If someone has a Utah CCW and gets a dui will the card be revoked or not renewed later? I know someone that this happened to.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 9:03 AM
When visiting Vegas for a few days, will you need to get a blue card with your Utah permit? If you don't and get stopped, can Metro PD do anything?

It is in print all handguns entering Clark County has to be registered within 24 hours. I guess you won't need the card if you are passing through, but if you are there for 3 days you are not really just "passing through."

If you do get stopped I don't know if they can do much as what proof do they have you were there for more than 24 hours? Also if you do get stopped just make sure you know the address of Metro PD so you can tell the officer you were on your way there to register it ;)

They don't ask for any proof of ownership or anything like that, they just have you fill out a very basic one page app, and they make a phone call.

Clark County (Vegas, Henderson, North Vegas) is supposedly very strict about this. They don't want any "unregistered" handguns in Clark County whether you are a resident or not. Law was grandfathered in from back in the Gangster days.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 9:06 AM
Hey guys, quick question. If someone has a Utah CCW and gets a dui will the card be revoked or not renewed later? I know someone that this happened to.

If you are at .10 BAC they have every right to take your CCW away. It is in writing that you are not allowed to carry if your BAC is .10 or above.

Carrying a CCW is much like driving in that you have to be less than .10 to even carry it.

I guess this is why you should always carry a lockable container in your car, this way if you know you are going to drink, lock it up and throw it in the trunk.

code33
09-28-2007, 9:16 AM
http://www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/bills/Amendments/A_SB92_R1_789.pdf
Yep, effective 10/01/2007.

38 3. If the governing body of a city in a county whose population is 400,000 or
39 more has required by ordinance or regulation adopted before June 13, 1989, the
40 registration of a firearm capable of being concealed, the governing body shall
41 amend such an ordinance or regulation to require:
42 (a) A period of at least 60 days of residency in the city before registration of
43 such a firearm is required.
44 (b) A period of at least 72 hours for the registration of a pistol by a resident
45 of the city upon transfer of title to the pistol to the resident by purchase, gift or
46 any other transfer.

43 2. The provisions of this act, as amended on October 1, 2007, apply
44 to ordinances or regulations adopted before, on or after June 13, 1989.



***I just read according to SB92 signed by NV gov. that visitors will not need to register the guns with LVMPD unless your staying over 60 days*** :-)

glockman19
09-28-2007, 9:25 AM
Florida does not require shooting to get the permit Utah does

I stand Corrected. I did reverse the two.

***I just read according to SB92 signed by NV gov. that visitors will not need to register the guns with LVMPD unless your staying over 60 days***

So If I'm going next weekend do you think I need to get a Blue card YES/NO? I'll be arriving Friday Night & Leaving Sunday Afternoon.

code33
09-28-2007, 11:19 AM
According to the text in SB92, no.
But it wouldn't hurt to check: http://www.lvmpd.com/permits/firearms_registration.html

Quiet
09-28-2007, 11:40 AM
Offical NV announcement.
www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Special/CCW_CHANGE.shtml


May be an issue about non-resident CCW permits not being honored.
www.calccw.com/Forums/announcements/832-nevada-governor-signs-reciprocity-bill-3.html#post14929
I just spoke to a Lt. Johnson of the Nevada Department of Public Safety. She was of the opinion that Nevada would recognize the Utah permit for Utah residents only.

She did say she would confirm and get back to me.

code33
09-28-2007, 12:02 PM
Shouldn't be an issue as the text does not differentiate res or non-res.

MedSpec65
09-28-2007, 1:20 PM
I'll be checking in with local law enforcement (with my guns locked up in the trunk!) before I start carrying a concealed loaded pistol around Reno or Carson City with a non-resident Utah permit. I wouldn't expect Nevada LEO's to be versed in current laws anymore than the average CA LEO.

glockman19
09-28-2007, 1:27 PM
Here is the post from the Nevada Department of Safety. Says Permits and does NOT make a distinction between Resident & Non Resident Permits

I'll carry with confidence as there is NOWHERE in the Code or any press releases that distinguishes between the Resident & Non Resident Permits.

http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/Special/CCW_CHANGE.shtml

Effective Oct 1, 2007

In accordance with Senate Bill 237 passed by the 2007 Nevada Legislature the State of Nevada will recognize the following States' CCW permit holders:

Alaska
Arkansas
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Nebraska
Tennessee
Utah

This law allows holders of valid permits from these states to carry a concealed weapon while in the State of Nevada. The permit must be in the possession of the issuee at all times while carrying a firearm.



Department of Public Safety
Records and Technology Division
808 W. Nye Lane
Carson City, NV 89703
(775)684-6262

norbs007
09-28-2007, 1:50 PM
I agree with glockman19, does not really say anything about residency.

Question though, does section 2 states that Nevada residents cannot carry concealed with a Utah CCW? Thanks.

glockman19
09-28-2007, 2:01 PM
I'm not confident with anything stated on Calccw.com. let them run around in circles to figure out whe we already know. NEVADA WILL RECOGNIZE VALID UTAH PERMITS.

Don't read more into it than their is.

If toy have a VALID Utah permit or a valid permit from any of the aforementioned staes you can feel confident in carrying concealed with it resident or non-resident.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 2:15 PM
Forgot to mention...you also need to register your handguns with the local PD or Sd when you arrive in Vegas/Clark County. Procedure is:

Go to PD/SD. (leave firearm in car).
Notify them you are here to register your CCW handguns for a Blue Card
Complete form, Bring in Firearm(s) and have them do a Serial # registration & Check to see you are the owner.
Get Blue Card.
There is no limit to the number of guns you can register.
You need a Blue Card even if you have a CCW.

that's not the procedure I went through.
- I just made sure gun was unloaded,
- left all mags at home,
- put gun in a locking case
- went to Henderson PD, cut in front of everyone in line, told Police Officer behind the counter I was registering a hangun, and the gun is in this case.
- she took my gun (in the case), stored it behind the counter next to her, then told me to have a seat.
- then when it was my turn, she had me unlock the case, gave me a 1 page form to fill out, then she made a phone call.
- she filled out the blue card, handed it to me, and gave me my gun back
- i then asked her how many hand guns am I allowed to register, she said as many as I want, but they (Henderson PD) will only do 2 at a time as a courtesy, if I wanted to do a whole batch at once I would have to go to LV Metro.

But then what do I know... I am not credible. Also I did not get her name and badge number.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 2:20 PM
Originally Posted by Treb5
I just spoke to a Lt. Johnson of the Nevada Department of Public Safety. She was of the opinion that Nevada would recognize the Utah permit for Utah residents only.

She did say she would confirm and get back to me.

How dare she say that. What's her badge number?

MedSpec65
09-28-2007, 2:31 PM
A CCW instructor from Vegas tells me the bill has been amended. The blue card in Clark County is required only if you spend more than 60 days there. Advise everybody to personally check these facts for themselves.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 2:34 PM
A CCW instructor from Vegas tells me the bill has been amended. The blue card in Clark County is required only if you spend more than 60 days there. Advise everybody to personally check these facts for themselves.

no way! he said that? What's his badge number? :p ;)

glockman19
09-28-2007, 4:50 PM
EricCartmann,

Depending on location procedures will vary. I was speaking to the procedure of the LVMPD jut off the strip. I passed along what they said to me. Nothing more.

Quiet
09-28-2007, 5:03 PM
Nothing in SB237 indicates there's a difference between non-resident and resident CCW permits from other states. So, most likely the LEO at NV DPS is wrong.

EDIT: Treb5 on Calccw.com got clarification from someone higher up than the Lt. he had spoken to the other day and that higher up advised that both resident & non-resident permits will be honored.

Question though, does section 2 states that Nevada residents cannot carry concealed with a Utah CCW? Thanks.
Section 2 seems to indicate that NV residents can only carry with their NV CCW permits.

Sec. 2. 2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed
firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared
pursuant to section 3 of this act may not carry a concealed firearm
in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county
in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of
this State.

FreedomIsNotFree
09-28-2007, 9:06 PM
Nothing in SB237 indicates there's a difference between non-resident and resident CCW permits from other states. So, most likely the LEO at NV DPS is wrong.

EDIT: Treb5 on Calccw.com got clarification from someone higher up than the Lt. he had spoken to the other day and that higher up advised that both resident & non-resident permits will be honored.


Section 2 seems to indicate that NV residents can only carry with their NV CCW permits.

Sec. 2. 2. A person who possesses a permit to carry a concealed
firearm that was issued by a state included in the list prepared
pursuant to section 3 of this act may not carry a concealed firearm
in this State if the person:
(a) Becomes a resident of this State; and
(b) Has not been issued a permit from the sheriff of the county
in which he resides within 60 days after becoming a resident of
this State.


Thats consistent with Arizona as well. If you are a resident of that state, only that states CCW permit is valid. I believe that keeps local folks that may not have passed their state test/requirements from obtaining an out of state ccw and carrying concealed anyway.

EricCartmann
09-28-2007, 9:17 PM
EricCartmann,

Depending on location procedures will vary. I was speaking to teh procedure of the LVMPD jut off the strip. I passed along what they said to me. Nothing more.

that's funny, when i passed along info that was conveyed to me (from a clerk behind the counter at LV Metro) someone decided to call me ignorant and not credible. ;)

right back atcha muah

chico.cm
10-03-2007, 8:52 PM
Excuse me for correcting you:

First, while its black and white rice paper my PD at least laminated my permit.
Second, a photo was attached to my permit together with my finger print next to it.
Third, PD is manned 24/7 so anyone can check 24/7
Fourth, the permit has number like a drivers license.

Hey, no fair! I don't have my photo on mine, and they didn't laminate it either.:mad: Cheap Butte County buggers...:D

Sidenote: When I resided in sinful Las Vegas, the blue card let me buy handguns and long guns, cash and carry. My Dad (still lives there) says they still work that way. I would like to know if seasonal residents have that same priveledge with blue cards...anyone know?

glockman19
10-07-2007, 6:27 PM
Just got back. YES you need to register your guns and recieve a "Blue Card" for each.

I arrived Friday Night and registered all four CCW guns Glock 26, Kimber Ultra & S&W 642 & 442. It took all of 15 min.

I went toe the LVMPD on Russel & Las Vegas Blvd. (the strip). NOW I can personally attest to the procedure.

I walked in with my case of unloaded firearms. I put them in a 2 way box and entered to complete the one page form with Name Address DL & Next of Kin. They did a Quick NICS search to verify they belonged to me and then issued me a laminated "Blue Card" for each gun. That was It.

If you are caught even with a valid CCW that is recognized, you will be in trouble if you do not have a "Blue Card" for the gun you are carrying, IT's not worth it.

I had a great time in Vegas, won enought money at the $1 slots to pay for my fun @ The Gun Shop firing Fully Auto Weapons. It was a lot of fun but...I would have to say, "It's like going to bed with a beautiful woman and shooting your wad in the first 2 min." It doesn't take long to fire 200 rounds...and...they are $1 a round...Expensive. Kind of anti climactic. Oh yea you can fire at a number of HUMAN picture targets including Osama Bin Laden, Black, White guys and Mario Lopez.

Glock22Fan
10-07-2007, 7:59 PM
Glockman:

I told you that your wallet would get lighter faster than your weapon! :D Thank goodness the slots helped with the strain.

And just because the PD registered your guns, and even if they told you that you need to register your guns, doesn't mean that you have to register your guns. If only PD's and SO's operated the law as it is written, instead of how they wish it were written, we'd have a lot more CCW's in California.

I've mislaid it for the moment (perhaps someone else can quote the source) but last week I saw a NV State Law that had been rewritten and now says something like 'Those jurisdictions that have passed their own local laws requiring registration within a period of (typically) three days are now required to change that to require registration within 60 days." I wish I could find the source, but I visit so many sites, and nothing jumps out of my History file.

They did a Quick NICS search to verify they belonged to me

???? Nevada police can find out who owns guns? I know we have registration in Cali, but how can they do this for all gun owners, most of which have no registration requirement? Maybe they were just checking to make sure the guns hadn't been stolen?

EBWhite
10-07-2007, 8:30 PM
WRONG. You do NOT need a blue card for staying in Vegas less than 60 days according to the new law that was passed.

According to SB92: If a town board in a county whose population is 400,000 or more has required by ordinance or regulation adopted before June 13, 1989, the registration of a firearm capable of being concealed, the town board shall amend such an ordinance or
regulation to require:
(a) A period of at least 60 days of residency in the town before registration of such a firearm is required.
(b) A period of at least 72 hours for the registration of a pistol by a resident of the town upon transfer of title to the pistol to the resident by purchase, gift or any other transfer

tango-52
10-07-2007, 8:39 PM
The new law regarding the 60 day limit takes effect on January 1, 2008. Until then, if a local jurisdiction has some requirement about registering (i.e. the blue cards in Clark County) then you need to follow those requirements. I think that currently in Clark County, if you are there less than 24 hours, you do not need to register them.

Quiet
10-07-2007, 9:19 PM
tango-52 is correct.

Along with the new changes in NV CCW, SB92 was also passed and signed into law. www.leg.state.nv.us/74th/Bills/SB/SB92_R2.pdf

SB92 was suppose to get rid of the Clark County "blue card" registration system. However, it was amended and compromised.

Under the new registration system, non-residents of Clark County have to register their handguns with LVMPD if they are staying longer than 60 days in Clark County. Residents of Clark County have 72 hours to register their handguns.

This new system goes into effect by 01-01-2008.

So, until 01-01-2008, the old "blue card" registration is still enforced in Clark County. If you are staying longer than 24 hours in Clark County you have to register your handguns.

glockman19
10-07-2007, 9:31 PM
Tango,

Thank you. I did do my homework. Wouldn't have wanted to get into any situation that was avoidable.

Either way My CCW weapons are now registered and I'm good to go under any and all circumstances. It only took me 15 min because I was registering four guns at the same time otherwise I would have been in & out in 5 min. Definately worth the 300 seconds IMHO.

EBWhite
10-07-2007, 11:39 PM
glock19-

Do you have an out of state Utah CCW? Did you ask the LVMPD office if it was okay to carry with it?

glockman19
10-08-2007, 7:28 AM
Do you have an out of state Utah CCW? Did you ask the LVMPD office if it was okay to carry with it?
YES. It's OK.

EricCartmann
10-13-2007, 7:06 PM
I hope you guys don't listen to this guy glockman... he acts like he knows but he does not. when i get home I will post all my CCW permits and bluecards. He called me not reputable but I am the ones with CCW permits and bluecards. ;)