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thefinger
09-17-2007, 4:59 PM
I'm in college, and I'm writing a paper for an Argumentation class I'm taking. My paper is about why students and faculty who already have ccw licenses should be allowed to carry their handguns on university property. The reason for this, I'm arguing, is that those people with ccw might have a chance to end the shooting rampage of a crazed gunman in a Virginia Tech situation before he killed anymore innocent people.

I can easily find stats on police response time and the like, but I really need to find some stats pertaining to a few other things.

1. how many shooting incidents are there with people who have ccw licenses each year?

2. how many innocent people are killed each year by ccw holders who make a mistake?

3. any other interesting data suporting my argument that you may know of?


Any help is appreciated. Long live Calguns!:D

paradox
09-17-2007, 5:19 PM
Read through http://www.claytoncramer.com/gundefenseblog/blogger.html for some stats, and perhaps even e-mail clayton cramer to see if he has any overall data compiled.

damon1272
09-17-2007, 7:17 PM
Not sure but you may want to check packing.org and http://www.gunscholar.org/ and http://www.guncite.com/.
Hope this helps. Speaking from experience, taking the conservative stance in a class and backing it up with facts had cost me dearly in respect to my grades. Think of getting a C as an A.

M. Sage
09-17-2007, 7:43 PM
FWIW, my wife had the opposite experience. She got a much better grade in one of her classes than expected. I think it was because she made a successful pro-gun argument against the professor in class.

damon1272
09-17-2007, 9:35 PM
That I think is the exception rather than the rule. I happened to have a few teachers that would ding me for my veiws. I would also challenge then in class to explain their reasoning on issues. I was at the time a few years older than most of the students right out of high school and I could articulate an argument. Nothing seemed to screw the professors up more than arguing using logic. After a while I got tired of the garbage and went to the University of Phoenix. A much more professional atmosphere.

ETD1010
09-17-2007, 11:05 PM
Not sure but you may want to check packing.org and http://www.gunscholar.org/ and http://www.guncite.com/.
Hope this helps. Speaking from experience, taking the conservative stance in a class and backing it up with facts had cost me dearly in respect to my grades. Think of getting a C as an A.

This happened to me in an ethics class. I didn't agree with the teachers "open mind" policy, which pretty much states that if I was open minded enough, I'd realize that she was right :rolleyes: fortunately, I stood by what I believe (and used facts, logic, etc, etc) and didn't care about the C. . .

tom_92673
09-18-2007, 12:28 AM
I got blasted in a women's studies class (I took it to meet women, I wasn't thinking clearly) and I wrote a paper on why pornography was helpful in society. My grade came back with "C, I disagree" Nothing else. I followed that teacher around campus the entire next semester telling her what an a-hole she was.

Librarian
09-18-2007, 1:28 AM
You can easily find the data online for Michigan, Texas and Florida; a bit of Googling will pick it out from the government agencies which do the licensing.

Typically you will have to get the FBI/UCR numbers for the state to get the rate for the whole state population so you can compare it to the rate for CCW holders.

I think you'll find the numbers are quite small.

I haven't looked for Washington or Oregon. I'm pretty sure no one is publicly collecting/posting/linking the data nationally; I know no place in USGovt has it, as of about two weeks ago.

thefinger
09-18-2007, 3:09 AM
thanks for the help guys, I found enough stats to support my argument well. I did limit my argument a bit to cover my *** in case the teacher is a jerk(which i always sort of assume is the case). I limited my claim to propose that faculty should be allowed to carry on campus. I left the students out of it. I feel like my liberal teacher might even be able to see the logic in allowing teachers to carry if they want. Thanks again guys. there are plenty more arguments for me to make in this class during the semester, so im sure I'll be back again begging for help.

until we meet again,
finger

metalhead357
09-18-2007, 6:02 AM
gotta track it down...but I love that stat put out years ago where you're something like NINE TIMES MORE likely to die at the hands of your own doctor than you are from 'death by gun'.............

Librarian
09-18-2007, 12:28 PM
gotta track it down...but I love that stat put out years ago where you're something like NINE TIMES MORE likely to die at the hands of your own doctor than you are from 'death by gun'.............The general term for that is iatrogenic death, and there's a whole web site (http://www.iatrogenic.org/) about it. In 2000, a presidential task force labelled medical errors a "national problem of epidemic proportions." Members estimated that the "cost associated with these errors in lost income, disability, and health care costs is as much as $29 billion annually." That same year the Institute of Medicine released an historic report, "To err is human: building a safer health system." The report's authors concluded that 44,000 to 98,000 people die each year as a result of errors during hospitalization.
Having the good grace to be embarrassed by that, medical institutions are mostly participating in the "5 Million Lives Campaign (http://www.ihi.org/IHI/Programs/Campaign/)".

metalhead357
09-18-2007, 6:16 PM
Ahhhhh Librarian to the rescue:D Thanks man, haven't seen ya' or your posts in a bit; so a double nice:D:D