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Liberty1
09-11-2007, 7:53 PM
http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/article3939.html

By Chad D. Baus

She can vote. She can join the Armed Services in defense of her country. But in the eyes of Ohio law, she cannot be trusted to carry a firearm in defense of her dignity at her chosen place of higher learning.

As if we needed any more evidence of the terrible danger of marking off Ohio's college campuses as defenseless victim zones, the Toledo Blade is reporting that an 18-year-old female student at Tiffin University was dragged out of a campus computer lab and raped.

From the story:

Tiffin police Chief Dave LaGrange said the young woman, who is an international student, entered the computer lab in the basement of the main classroom building on Miami Street about 1:40 p.m. Saturday. She logged on to a computer and then was grabbed from behind, dragged to a nearby men's restroom, and assaulted, he said.

Within minutes of the attack, the victim went to a residence hall and called police. Chief LaGrange said she was treated at Tiffin Mercy Hospital and examined by a sexual assault nurse examiner.

...The victim described her assailant as a tall, thin, African-American male in his 20s. He had a tattoo on his chest, although she could not provide a description of it.

"We don't know at this point if it's a student or if it's a stranger," the chief said. "It's an open campus just along the street in that section of the city. Either is possible."

Visitors do not need an identification card to enter the building or the computer lab, he said.

...Neither of the Tiffin campuses has its own police force.
Tired of reading about incidences like the one at Tiffin University? Keep this in mind:

Having made the mistake of listening to gun ban extremists whose predictions have, of course, failed to come to pass, Ohio legislators allowed the creation of many "no-guns" victim zones across the state when they passed Ohio's concealed carry law in 2004.

The ironic timing of this terrible incident cannot be overlooked, coming as it did just hours after the “Virginia Tech Review Panel” released its report on April’s horrific mass shooting on that "gun free" campus, and in the wake of many Ohio campuses concluding that more security cameras and quicker response times to alert defenseless students are the answer to preventing future such attacks.

This tragedy is full of lessons for any responsible adult (or parent in the process of teaching their children) about the realities involved in self-protection (realities which anti-self-defense bigots refuse to acknowledge):


Lesson: "No-guns" college campuses do nothing to protect our daughters from sexual predators, but they DO protect sexual predators who attack our daughters.


Lesson: Security cameras do nothing to deter a tenacious criminal, or to stop a crime in progress.


Lesson: Campus security guards or off-campus police forces do nothing to deter a tenacious criminal, and can't stop a crime in progress if they don't know it's happening.


Lesson: If a person can be trusted take up arms in defense of their country, they should be trusted to exercise their Constitutional right to bear arms for self-defense back at home.

What is particularly disturbing about the lessons being learned in Ohio's "no-guns" victim zones through the blood and humiliation of crime victims is that they are not new.

In 1966 the police in Orlando, Florida, responded to a rape epidemic by embarking on a highly publicized program to train 2,500 women in firearm use. The next year rape fell by 88 percent in Orlando (the only major city to experience a decrease that year); burglary fell by 25 percent. Not one of the 2,500 women actually ended up firing her weapon; the deterrent effect of the publicity sufficed." (Congressional Record, 90th Cong., 2d sess., January 30, 1968, p. 1496, n. 7) Five years later Orlando's rape rate was still 13 percent below the pre-program level, whereas the surrounding standard metropolitan area had suffered a 308 percent increase.

Ready to see some REAL action taken to prevent it from happening again? Here are a few suggestions:


Ohio legislators should act this year to remove college campuses from the list of defenseless victim zones, and to lower the age for obtaining an Ohio concealed handgun license to 18.

Upon passage of this law, universities should announce that CHL-classes will be offered on campus, and should encourage students old enough to legally qualify to obtain training and apply for their license.


For those students who are not old enough to obtain a CHL, campus officials should sponsor awareness classes, such as NRA Refuse To Be Victim.

Until these actions are taken, bureaucrats will continue to resort to the kinds of useless, feel-good measures that did nothing to help this poor Tiffin University student, and the crime victims will continue to pile up at our state's university campuses .

.22guy
09-11-2007, 8:02 PM
Well, they just need to make rape illegal.

Oh, wait, it is.

Too bad legislators never seem to learn the lessons this thread teaches... :(

WokMaster1
09-11-2007, 8:39 PM
Sometimes I wonder if the Clintons would change their mind if something like this would happen to their daughter. It breaks my heart to hear this crap everytime.

Fate
09-11-2007, 11:15 PM
Gun free zones are a joke.

However the description of the assault makes it clear that unless she was wearing a concealed weapon, she wouldn't have had a chance to use it. I sort of doubt her attacker would have paused while she retrieved her purse.

CalNRA
09-11-2007, 11:20 PM
Sometimes I wonder if the Clintons would change their mind if something like this would happen to their daughter. It breaks my heart to hear this crap everytime.

They have life time presidential Secret Service protection. WHy would they care about a non-celebrity woman getting raped?

Hilary has her body guards, the rest of women can call the police after they get raped. That's the Democratic way.

Stories like this makes my blood boil, and yet women and men alike keep voting for people like Hilary. I guess that says something about their views on human dignity.

CCWFacts
09-11-2007, 11:42 PM
However the description of the assault makes it clear that unless she was wearing a concealed weapon, she wouldn't have had a chance to use it. I sort of doubt her attacker would have paused while she retrieved her purse.

Purses, like ankle holsters, etc, are second-tier concealment choices. They're not as good for retention and they don't provide a good platform for drawing. The best is a belt holster, either IWB or on the belt (OC). Everything else is a tactically inferior compromise.

Not saying that purses and ankle-holsters should never be used, but they are a compromise.

hdcd
09-12-2007, 4:45 AM
Wasn't Gore or Dukaka asked if they would change their minds on gun control if their wife or daughter was raped? And they replied no..

WokMaster1
09-12-2007, 7:35 AM
They have life time presidential Secret Service protection. WHy would they care about a non-celebrity woman getting raped?

Hilary has her body guards, the rest of women can call the police after they get raped. That's the Democratic way.

Stories like this makes my blood boil, and yet women and men alike keep voting for people like Hilary. I guess that says something about their views on human dignity.

HILARY DOES NOT NEED A BODYGUARD. SHE'S SCARY ENOUGH ALREADY......:D

Soundman
09-12-2007, 8:41 AM
Wasn't Gore or Dukaka asked if they would change their minds on gun control if their wife or daughter was raped? And they replied no..

saying you won't change your mind and actually having it happen are 2 very different things.

Annie Oakley
09-12-2007, 8:55 AM
According to case law, a person can't sue the government for failing to protect them. But I wonder if a person who has been attacked, can sue the government if the government prevents a person from protecting themselves?

slick_711
09-12-2007, 9:00 AM
According to case law, a person can't sue the government for failing to protect them. But I wonder if a person who has been attacked, can sue the government if the government prevents a person from protecting themselves?

Oooh. I'd like to see that happen. With the right lawyer I bet a pretty good case could be made.

dustoff31
09-12-2007, 9:05 AM
"Article published Thursday, September 6, 2007
University of Tiffin student, 18, raped on campus


TIFFIN - In what city police are calling a "very, very rare" incident, an 18-year-old female student at Tiffin University was dragged out of a campus computer lab and raped during the weekend.


Gee, Where have we heard this before?


Also, your point is well taken, and I have no intention of arguing against the right to self defense. But the article says the young woman was an "international student". That implys she is not a citizen or permament resident and would not be able to either vote, enlist in the military, and quite possibly not even be able to own a firearm.

hdcd
09-12-2007, 9:34 AM
saying you won't change your mind and actually having it happen are 2 very different things.

Yeah and he tanked after showing what an idiot he really was. I don't remember his wife coming out in his defense. :rolleyes: