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Timberwolf
09-09-2007, 10:43 PM
Notes from the Wolf’s Lair

Let me start off by saying that I thoroughly enjoyed meeting and working with everyone on Saturday. I could not have asked for a more receptive and dedicated group of individuals to work with.

Precision Rifle Clinic

The “clinic” that was presented on Saturday was a condensed combination of a Prec Rifle I and Prec Rifle II class, which was designed to review the basics of marksmanship as well as field application for the long-range rifleman.

We started by ensuring that everyone had a good solid 100 yard zero and the students were instructed to keep notes regarding any change in zero from the home AO and Tehachapi for future reference. This was accomplished on an individual with either myself or others spotting and “walking” the shooter to a zero.

After everyone had obtained a good zero for the AO we graduated to a classroom discussion where we covered the building blocks necessary to achieve a “one shot, one hit” on a target. During this time we covered basic marksmanship including B.R.A.S.S. and the proper way to get into and maintain the various positions. Most on the instruction regarding positions concerned building a good prone position since it is the most stable position and therefore most shots are taken from that position. After prone was covered sitting, kneeling and off-hand were briefly discussed and demonstrated.

From there we progressed into ranging targets using the mil-dot system and the proper formulas to do so. After discussing the theories the students had the opportunity to range a live threat (me) lurking behind a sage brush (students were instructed to remove their bolts before this exercise just incase someone didn’t like my teaching style).

After learning to range we discussed “doping” the range ballistically either by dialing in the proper elevation correction for the given range or holding over using their nil-dots.

Lasting we discussed the other various factors impacting proper shot placement such as angle of the shot, wind, temp, humidity, position of the sun etc.

Throughout the class the usage of a data book was emphasized and the students had a chance to see why all the elements we discussed are important in ensuring a one shot, one hit.

During one of the initial breaks I had the opportunity to engage the 800 yard steel recording the data in my book for the five shots I took showing the date, time, place, elevation, temp, humidity, wind direction and speed, sun position, and any corrections I made from my initial dope. My final dope was 22.5 MOA elev, .75 mil hold into the wind.

After the end of the class, some three hours and several degrees in temp and humidity difference the students asked that I demonstrate the one shot, one hit on the 800 yard steel. I dialed in the dope from my initial session of that morning but purposefully did not take into account the change in the sun position, temp or humidity and sent the round. Of course it went a little over the target at 12 o’clock. With my second shot I corrected for the changed variables and was awarded with a resounding splash of steel in my scope and a few seconds later ding. After I made the second shot I discussed what had just happened and hence the reason for keeping good data and taking into account all the variable that effect long range ballistics.

After this we all broke for lunch. While the students were at lunch I placed a three inch round steel popper at 300yards (yeah that’s a 1MOA target for the range) to accent the steel targets that were already in place. When the students returned the remainder of the time was spending applying what was learned engaging steel at various ranges including the 3” popper and the 800 yard steel plate. After everyone got a handle on the ever changing wind the ringing of steel filled the hills of Tehachapi.

All in all it was a wonderful session.

As a closing note I noticed where some had inquired whether this is something that would happen again. I can't speak for the usuage of Peter's Dad's property but I have no objection to doing another similar clinic if there's enough interest.

Prc329
09-09-2007, 10:48 PM
I am pretty sure there will be more then enough interest. I would love to get more instruction.

aplinker
09-09-2007, 11:53 PM
I couldn't go this time, but I'd be up for the next one. Sounds like a great time.

Prc329
09-09-2007, 11:55 PM
Took me 5 moa with a .25 mil hold over to tag that 300 popper. 11 moa in the morning and 10.5 moa in the afternoon to get that 500 plate. 725 and 800 I forget. I would need my log to tell you those.

proraptor
09-10-2007, 12:26 AM
The class that Timberwolf put on was amazing....I learned so much....Id like to thank you again....

This man really knows his stuff

Roo
09-10-2007, 2:30 AM
+1 for interest on another get together!

Jicko
09-10-2007, 8:18 AM
T-Wolf..... thank you!!

Here is the video of the 1S1H demo (this is the hitting shot, my original version have a nice "ding/ring" at the end....)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf2rFVZPeuc

This is the 1st shot, including setup....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vg6k920Y3E

Storm Tactical Data Book (I need one!! Let's do a group buy!! T-wolf: which version should we get?)
http://www.stormtactical.com/data.htm

Bean Bag (I found a place selling bean bags that is similar to T-wolf's, this one is also filled with Poly Pellets; you can also get the IMPACT ELEC MUFF from this site)
http://www.bigrivertactical.com/page/page/3061586.htm

Guys, please also post links for where's the best place(price) we can buy other items that are demo'ed in the class.....

rksimple
09-10-2007, 8:34 AM
Bean Bag (I found a place selling bean bags that is similar to T-wolf's, this one is also filled with Poly Pellets; you can also get the IMPACT ELEC MUFF from this site)
http://www.bigrivertactical.com/page/page/3061586.htm

Guys, please also post links for where's the best place(price) we can buy other items that are demo'ed in the class.....

The bags from bigriver tactical look a little bigger than twolf's. My wife is going to put together some rear bags and adjustable multi-purpose bags made from the same 1000d cordura material and poly-pellets. Twolf's rear bag is a good size and design. It was custom made. I want to do something along those lines. The other bag will be an "adjustable" one that can be folded up for more height, or folded out for lower situations. It would also be able to be used under the bipod to get more height or to keep the legs from digging into the dirt. I'll try to get some pics up soon.

Jicko
09-10-2007, 8:40 AM
The bags from bigriver tactical look a little bigger than twolf's. My wife is going to put together some rear bags and adjustable multi-purpose bags made from the same 1000d cordura material and poly-pellets. Twolf's rear bag is a good size and design. It was custom made. I want to do something along those lines. The other bag will be an "adjustable" one that can be folded up for more height, or folded out for lower situations. It would also be able to be used under the bipod to get more height or to keep the legs from digging into the dirt. I'll try to get some pics up soon.

Sign me up for one please.... :D

proraptor
09-10-2007, 8:47 AM
I already ordered my storm tactical log book LOL.....It ships today

Those bags your wife is making sound interesting ryan....post some pics when shes done...

Prc329
09-10-2007, 8:57 AM
I'd be interested in one. Bipod digging in was a pain :D

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 9:23 AM
They make a modification for the Harris bipod to get rid of the rubber pad and replace it with "raptor feet". The guy is posted over at Snipershide and I'll try to find the post and post it's link here.

proraptor
09-10-2007, 9:27 AM
Yeah I saw that Timberwolf...The raptor feet look like they would solve the digging in problem...I think they should send you a pair to try out and write a review about

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 9:39 AM
T-Wolf..... thank you!!


Storm Tactical Data Book (I need one!! Let's do a group buy!! T-wolf: which version should we get?)
http://www.stormtactical.com/data.htm


Guys, please also post links for where's the best place(price) we can buy other items that are demo'ed in the class.....

The book contents are all the same just different covers. I use the rite in rain model (what I'm use to) and that's what I had at class. If you're interested in a group buy I'll email Mark Hartwell at Storm Tactical and see what we can do.

Also any other gear that you saw on Sat that you're interested in post it up or email me and I'll try to steer you in the right direction for price etc. FYI I but a lot of stuff from Triad Tactical - I know the owner from Snipershide and he's a jam up guy who'll go out of his way to help. If you order from him just drop my name.

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 9:41 AM
Yeah I saw that Timberwolf...The raptor feet look like they would solve the digging in problem...I think they should send you a pair to try out and write a review about

R&D was already done by some other guys on the 'hide. From what I unserstand they are very well made and make a difference in the field. I'm waiting on him to come out with the "sled" version (the feet would be similar to the feet on my AI bipod)

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 9:46 AM
I just emailed Mark and inquired about a group buy and the possibility and xtra cost of a custom SCPRC cover . . . will let y'all know.

proraptor
09-10-2007, 9:54 AM
After I ordered mine you do this! AHHHHHHH!.....Oh well Ill just keep the skull

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 9:57 AM
Oooops the thought just came when someone suggested group buy.

PistolPete75
09-10-2007, 9:59 AM
yep, the clinic was very informative for me, and filled in a few blanks in my head. i've been dry firing in my head last night before i went to sleep. all my gear is still in my car. dam...it's monday...time to work again. suxs.

Jicko
09-10-2007, 10:14 AM
Here are some pics of the clinic.

Demo of proper shooting positions:


1) Prone using bipod (as low as you can....)

http://images28.fotki.com/v1032/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0417-vi.jpg

Directly behind the rifle

http://images28.fotki.com/v1033/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0422-vi.jpg


2) Prone offhead

http://images29.fotki.com/v1006/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0420-vi.jpg


3) Standing

http://images28.fotki.com/v1031/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0432-vi.jpg

http://images28.fotki.com/v1028/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0434-vi.jpg


4) Kneeling

http://images27.fotki.com/v1018/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0440-vi.jpg

PistolPete75
09-10-2007, 10:17 AM
twolf is going to be famous now.

Jicko
09-10-2007, 10:17 AM
5) Sitting, Cross-Legs

http://images29.fotki.com/v1007/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0445-vi.jpg

Sitting, Open-Legs

http://images28.fotki.com/v997/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0448-vi.jpg


6) Cuddling... (I never knew that this is a *position*... :D)

http://images28.fotki.com/v1032/photos/2/26966/5374644/IMG_0450-vi.jpg

Fjold
09-10-2007, 10:26 AM
6) Cuddling... (I never knew that this is a *position*... :D)



I seem to remember something about;

"Hold it like you would your woman, not like after watching porno but like......."


:D

PistolPete75
09-10-2007, 10:33 AM
I seem to remember something about;

"Hold it like you would your woman, not like after watching porno but like......."


:D


i remember that, and the one about the "trigger finger"

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 10:40 AM
Here's how that "cuddle" position (actually taught as supported kneeling) should look without the bay window. I only use it to shoot downhill now as my midsection just don't compress like it used to. LOL

http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/23-10/Fig3-4.gif

PistolPete75
09-10-2007, 10:43 AM
Here's how that "cuddle" position (actually taught as supported kneeling) should look without the bay window. I only use it to shoot downhill now as my midsection just don't compress like it used to. LOL

http://www.biggerhammer.net/manuals/23-10/Fig3-4.gif

is this a porno site? j/k

Timberwolf
09-10-2007, 10:54 AM
No its work place safe LOL

Prc329
09-10-2007, 10:56 AM
So Pete, down for another camp/shoot?

Cypriss32
09-10-2007, 8:01 PM
Im down, Next time ill come on time with your corn and patotos.

theEpiphany
09-11-2007, 1:36 PM
I need to apologize to some of you for not making it. Unfortunately I was in the hospital on Saturday due to an intensive case of food poisoning on Friday evening. I'm just returning to work today and feeling like utter crap. Come next meet, I'm so there.


Wildcard, care to catch me up to speed on a trip out to Burro?

Fjold
09-11-2007, 1:57 PM
I need to apologize to some of you for not making it. Unfortunately I was in the hospital on Saturday due to an intensive case of food poisoning on Friday evening. I'm just returning to work today and feeling like utter crap. Come next meet, I'm so there.


Wildcard, care to catch me up to speed on a trip out to Burro?


I was wondering where you were. I actually asked someone if you were there and nobody knew.

Tough luck on the food poisoning, Wifezilla got me with that one Christmas Eve many years ago and I had to spend most of Christmas Day in the hospital.

I've learned better since then and I make her taste all my food in front of me now.

Hope you feel better.

proraptor
09-11-2007, 2:28 PM
man that sucks...you missed an awesome shoot....I'm sure there will be another one soon though as the first one was a huge sucess

ldivinag
09-11-2007, 5:23 PM
Ao???

B.R.A.S.S.????

Timberwolf
09-11-2007, 5:55 PM
AO - Area of Operation
BRASS - Breathe, Relax, Aim, Stop, Squeeze - also taught as Breathe, Relax, Aim, Slack, Squeeze for two stage trigger usuage with service rifles, and Breathe, Relax, Aim, Sight, Squeeze. All applications basically the same.

proraptor
09-11-2007, 6:33 PM
Ill never forget brass!