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DBA Samsun
09-08-2007, 12:41 AM
i was wondering if it wsa legal to purchase or get one shipped to my ffl here with say a monster man grip would it be legal here?

not sure if the auto ordnance is on any ban list here in cali, please help

Josh3239
09-08-2007, 1:32 AM
I do not believe Auto Ordance is on the ban list. The Thompson is only illegal because of SB23. Remove the evil features and you can bring it in. I think mags are still an issue, I didn't think they made 10 round mags.

Mssr. Eleganté
09-08-2007, 2:17 AM
Auto Ordnance made 10 round stick and drum mags during the Federal AWB. They still list them for sale on their web site.

Josh3239
09-08-2007, 2:52 AM
Oh ok, that solves that problem. I bet ya CWS or LAN World could help you import it then.

Sal
09-08-2007, 4:10 AM
im working on a wood MMG in the original shape and wood of the thompson grip. with that the thompson should be legal here in CA.

PIRATE14
09-08-2007, 4:37 AM
They are legal but must be properly configured per SB23 but if there's a will......you guys will come up w/ some trick parts.........:chris:

hoffmang
09-08-2007, 9:23 AM
Sal,

Can you make more than one?

-Gene

DBA Samsun
09-09-2007, 2:50 PM
so a monsterman type grip (or no grip at all) + 10rd mag would make it legal

AJAX22
09-09-2007, 2:55 PM
with a monsterman grip you can use any magazine you want (without a flash hider or forward pistol grip.

If you've got drums... use drums...

If Sal can make one grip, Ironwood can duplicate it.

KenpoProfessor
09-09-2007, 3:04 PM
Let me know if I can be of any assistance in this project. Maybe I can buy, shoot it a few times, decide it's not really for me, advertise it for sale here and you can send me a MM to send it to your FFL.

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde

Sal
09-09-2007, 3:33 PM
i plan to just make them to order, i do also have a bullet button worked out for them too, just havent had time to finish them.

I'll be making a post soon on the first one im making and you'll have pictures then.

hoffmang
09-09-2007, 4:35 PM
I'll be a first buyer on one or both.

-Gene

DBA Samsun
09-09-2007, 5:21 PM
wow that is awesome! put me down for one!


I also have another question, I brought up hte fact that I wanted a thompson to a buddy that lives in nebraska, he told me that he has a gun given to him by his father that is a Thompson PISTOL, and that it has been certified by ATF and has a letter stating that it's an auto ordnance thompson 1927 pistol - that wouldn't be legal to own here would it?

Lateralus
09-09-2007, 7:52 PM
i saw one recently in .22

seemed like a fun way to own one with detachable mags + evil features and not cost an arm and a leg to feed it.

AJAX22
09-09-2007, 7:56 PM
wow that is awesome! put me down for one!


I also have another question, I brought up hte fact that I wanted a thompson to a buddy that lives in nebraska, he told me that he has a gun given to him by his father that is a Thompson PISTOL, and that it has been certified by ATF and has a letter stating that it's an auto ordnance thompson 1927 pistol - that wouldn't be legal to own here would it?

If it is an actuall 1927 pistol, they yes it could be legal if you pin a 10 round magazine in place. It could come in on a C&R exemption, and a pinned mag would keep it from being an AW

DBA Samsun
09-09-2007, 8:35 PM
If it is an actuall 1927 pistol, they yes it could be legal if you pin a 10 round magazine in place. It could come in on a C&R exemption, and a pinned mag would keep it from being an AW

It's a 1927-a5 pistol I just found out, he said it was built in 1977 though so doesn't qualify for C&R :mad:

Even though it's a classified as a pistol and not an AW or SBR I wouldn't be able to get it here?

strrizi
03-23-2008, 12:10 AM
im working on a wood MMG in the original shape and wood of the thompson grip. with that the thompson should be legal here in CA.

Hello sir, Are you still in the process of making a monsterman grip for a tommy gun 1927A1. Just wondering cause i would like one also since i have that weapon.

M. Sage
03-23-2008, 12:17 AM
It's a 1927-a5 pistol I just found out, he said it was built in 1977 though so doesn't qualify for C&R :mad:

Even though it's a classified as a pistol and not an AW or SBR I wouldn't be able to get it here?

It's an AW if you don't fix the magazine, though. Don't forget that little detail.

There are ways to get off-roster handguns into the state legally.

thefifthspeed
03-23-2008, 1:16 AM
Try to PM the guy instead of necro posting, doubt he'll see it.

Rumpled
03-23-2008, 1:37 AM
AO has reintroduced the Tommy pistol, not that we'll see many here.
Not so sure of the utility, but hey a .45 with a drum magazine.

DedEye
03-23-2008, 1:38 AM
May as well make use of the necropost...
Is the Auto Ord Thompson with real Thompson mags (drum and/or stick)?

Fate
03-23-2008, 1:53 PM
If the Tommy is a pistol, wouldn't it fall into the "features ban" trap? It accepts a magazine in a location other than the pistol grip.

DedEye
03-23-2008, 4:03 PM
If the Tommy is a pistol, wouldn't it fall into the "features ban" trap? It accepts a magazine in a location other than the pistol grip.

Which is why it would need a bullet button.

M. Sage
03-23-2008, 4:06 PM
If the Tommy is a pistol, wouldn't it fall into the "features ban" trap? It accepts a magazine in a location other than the pistol grip.

"Detachable magazine". Fixed mag = ok.

bg
03-23-2008, 4:31 PM
I didn't know that Kahr had bought Auto Ordnance. So if the
mag was pinned how would one load it ? Do the shells eject
out the top ? Wouldn't the forward handle combined with the
pistol grip make it an quasi AW ? Would a custom grip like
the one's for OLL's make it legal ?

They sure aren't cheap, but look cool as heck.

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/ao_front_lg.html

http://www.auto-ordnance.com/images/t1sb-0306.jpg

aplinker
03-23-2008, 5:22 PM
Metroshot and others sell them. I mention MS because they have a thread that pops up with their sales.

A wood MMG would be ideal.

They do take both stick and drum original mags.

The mag lock is a bullet button.

dawson8r
03-23-2008, 9:33 PM
I got to shoot a full-auto 1928 once. Totally awesome! I'm not any kind of firearms expert but I think it fires in what they call "open breach". The bolt is back/open, you put the stick mag in, then pull the trigger. The bolt travels forward and fires then reciprocates (sp?). When you let up on the trigger the bolt is back again. The one I shot was owned by a class 07? manufacturer that bought it years ago. When it had a failure to fire you just release the mag, pull the trigger, put the mag back in, then pull the trigger again.

brokestudent12
03-23-2008, 9:41 PM
Featureless MMG and that drum I've had for decades.

SFV_Dealer
04-02-2008, 9:06 AM
Here is how some of our customers have done a bullet button mag lock on their 1927 Thompson A1 and M1 and TM1 models with the pistol grip - using a fixed 10rd drum or stick mag:

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1004391/ThompsonTM1.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1004391/Thompson1927.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1004391/Thompson1927A1maglock5.jpg
http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2005-5/1004391/Thompson1927A1maglock3.jpg