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Glock22Fan
09-06-2007, 4:44 PM
Does anyone know of any law enforcement agencies that are using the LEXIPOL CCW Policy?

TBJ is aware of some, but curious to know if there are others.

Thanks

metalhead357
09-06-2007, 6:20 PM
btt as I'd love a lil' info on it.

Librarian
09-06-2007, 7:38 PM
Lexipol (http://www.lexipol.com/) appears to be a company selling policy manuals to police agencies - a shortcut to developing one's own, possibly more complete, probably more 'professional looking'.

San Anselmo (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.townofsananselmo.org%2Fpolice %2Ffiles%2FSan_Anselmo_PD_Ver_3.pdf&ei=M7jgRuucI6i-gQOtz9yjCA&usg=AFQjCNGWMggGdf1B1qHUjs5VxURme44Dlw&sig2=hftlLDxNWPsngeQso7grqg) uses it for their CCW, and here's what their version says:
SAN ANSELMO POLICE DEPARTMENT
Section
218
Concealed Weapons Permits

218.1 PURPOSE AND SCOPE
The Chief of Police is given the statutory discretion to issue a license to carry a concealed
firearm to residents within the community. This policy will provide a written process for the
application and issuance of such permits. Pursuant to Penal Code § 12050.2, this policy
shall be made accessible to the public.

Nothing in this policy shall be construed to require the Chief of Police to issue a concealed
weapons license at any time. The issuance of any such permit shall only be pursuant to the
terms and conditions of this policy and applicable law. Nor shall anything in this policy
preclude the Chief of Police from entering into an agreement with the Sheriff to process all
applications and licenses for the carrying of concealed weapons. Penal Code § 12050 (g).

218.2 QUALIFIED APPLICANTS
In order to apply for a license to carry a concealed weapon, the applicant must:

(a) Be a resident of the Town of San Anselmo.
(b) Be at least twenty-one (21) years of age.
(c) Fully complete an application that will include substantial personal information.
(NOTE: Much of the information in the application may be subject to public release
under the Public Records Act.)
(d) Be free from criminal convictions that would disqualify the applicant from carrying a
concealed weapon. (NOTE: Fingerprints will be required and a complete criminal
background check will be conducted.)
(e) Be of good moral character.
(f) Show good cause for the issuance of the license.
(g) Pay all associated application fees (NOTE: These fees are set by statute and may
not be refunded if the application is denied.)
(h) Provide proof of ownership and registration of any weapon to be licensed for
concealment.
(i) Provide at least three (3) letters of character reference.
(j) Be free from any medical and psychological conditions that might make the applicant
unsuitable for carrying a concealed weapon.
(k) Complete required training.


218.3 APPLICATION PROCESS
The application process for a license to carry a concealed weapon shall consist of two
phases. Upon the successful completion of each phase, the applicant will be advanced to
the next phase until the process is completed and the license is either issued or denied.

218.31 PHASE ONE (TO BE COMPLETED BY ALL APPLICANTS)

(a) Any individual wishing to apply for a license to carry a concealed weapon shall first
fully complete a Concealed Weapons License Application to be signed under penalty
of perjury. It is against the law to knowingly make any false statements on such an
application. Penal Code § 12051 (b & c).
1. In the event of any discrepancies in the application or background
investigation, the applicant may be required to undergo a lie detector
examination.

(b) At the time the completed application is submitted, the applicant shall submit a check
made payable to “Department of Justice” for the required application fee along with a
separate check made payable to “Town of San Anselmo” for a non-refundable 20%
of the Town’s application fee to cover the cost of processing.
1. The Town’s current application fee is $100.00 that does not include any
additional fees required for fingerprints, training or psychological testing.
2. Full payment of the remainder of the application fee will be required upon
issuance of a license.
3. Payment of related fees may be waived if the applicant is a duly appointed
reserve peace officer as defined in Penal Code § 830.6 (a) or (b). Penal
Code § 12050 (a)(1)(C).

(c) The applicant shall also be required to submit two (2) full sets of fingerprints, one of
that will be retained by the Department and the other of which will be submitted to
DOJ for a complete criminal background check. Two recent passport size photos
(2”x2”) of the applicant shall also be submitted for Department use. (NOTE:
Fingerprint and photograph fees will be in addition to application fees.) No person
determined to fall within a prohibited class described in Penal Code §§ 12021 or
12021.1 or Welfare & Institutions Code §§ 8100 or 8103 may be issued a license to
carry a concealed weapon.
(d) The applicant shall also submit at least three (3) signed letters of character reference
from individuals other than relatives.
(e) The applicant shall submit proof of ownership and registration of each weapon to be
licensed for concealment.

Once the Chief of Police or authorized designee has reviewed the completed application
package and relevant background information, the application will either be advanced to
phase two or denied.

In the event that an application is denied at the conclusion of or during phase one, the
applicant shall be notified in writing within ninety (90) days of the initial application or within

thirty (30) days after receipt of the applicant’s criminal background check from DOJ,
whichever is later. Penal Code § 12052.5

218.32 PHASE TWO
This phase is to be completed only by those applicants successfully completing phase one.

(a) Upon successful completion of phase one, the applicant shall be scheduled for a
personal interview with the Chief of Police or authorized designee. It is during this
stage that there will be further discussion of the applicant’s statement of good cause
and any potential restrictions or conditions that might be placed on the license.
(b) The applicant shall provide written evidence from a licensed physician that the
applicant is not currently suffering from any medical condition that would make the
individual unsuitable for carrying a concealed weapon. (NOTE: All costs associated
with this requirement shall be paid by the applicant.) Failure to provide satisfactory
evidence of medical fitness shall result in removal of the applicant from further
consideration.
(c) The Chief of Police may also require that the applicant be referred to an authorized
psychologist used by the Department for psychological testing in order to determine
the applicant’s suitability for carrying a concealed weapon. (NOTE: the applicant
shall pay the cost of such psychological testing [not to exceed $150.00].) This
testing is not intended to certify that the applicant is psychologically fit to carry a
weapon. It is instead designed to determine whether an applicant has any outward
indications or history of psychological problems that might render him/her unfit to
carry a concealed weapon. If it is psychologically determined that the applicant is
not a suitable candidate for carrying a concealed weapon, the applicant shall be
removed from further consideration.
(d) The applicant shall complete a POST certified firearms safety and training course
(Penal Code § 832) at a community college.
(e) The applicant shall submit any weapon to be considered for a permit to the
Department’s Rangemaster or other departmentally authorized gunsmith for a full
safety inspection. The Chief of Police reserves the right to deny a permit for any
weapon from an unrecognized manufacturer or any weapon that has been altered
from the manufacturer’s specifications.
(f) The applicant shall successfully complete a firearms safety and proficiency
examination with the weapon to be licensed, to be administered by the Department’s
Rangemaster or proof of successful completion of another departmentally approved
firearms safety and proficiency examination, including completion of all releases and
other forms. (NOTE: Cost of any outside inspection/examination shall be the
responsibility of the applicant.)

Once the Chief of Police or authorized designee has verified the successful completion of
phase two, the license to carry a concealed weapon will either be granted or denied.

Whether an application is approved or denied at the conclusion of or during phase two, the
applicant shall be notified in writing within ninety (90) days of the initial application or within
thirty (30) days after receipt of the applicant’s criminal background check from DOJ,
whichever is later. Penal Code § 12052.5.
et cetera

Librarian
09-06-2007, 8:13 PM
And Lexipol's brag page has a bunch of agency testimonials:

-Chief Neil Purcell, Anderson PD

-Sonoma County Sheriff Bill Cogbill

-Chief Roger Baker, Anaheim PD

-Yuba County Sheriff Virginia Block

-Chief Marvin Engquist, Cerritos Community College District.

-Chief Sam Spiegal, Folsom PD

-Captain Michel Payne, Murrieta PD
So it looks like their agencies are using the product.

Their FAQ says Do you have references similar to our agency?

With almost half of the law enforcement agencies in California currently subscribing to our standard setting manual system, we would be happy to furnish references from any of our subscribing agencies. Please contact the office.

-hanko
09-06-2007, 8:32 PM
Lexipol (http://www.lexipol.com/) appears to be a company selling policy manuals to police agencies - a shortcut to developing one's own, possibly more complete, probably more 'professional looking'.

San Anselmo[/URL] uses it for their CCW, and here's what their version says:et cetera
Is SA using Lexipol's policy vere batim, or did they roll their own policy??

Whichever, kiss off the 2nd amendment:D

-hanko

Librarian
09-06-2007, 9:11 PM
Is SA using Lexipol's policy verbatim, or did they roll their own policy??

Whichever, kiss off the 2nd amendment:D

-hanko
Hard to tell; Lexipol marketing says they customize for local agencies. They seem to be selling mostly into west coast, so probably they have by-state boilerplate. Plug a few localizations into a variables file and merge....

CCWFacts
09-07-2007, 10:15 AM
A couple of factors. First, they must customize it. Yuba County is using it and Yuba County is practically shall-issue. Second, a whole lot of policies come down to "on demonstrated need", and there are wide variations on how "demonstrated need" is assessed. A ten-year-old might "need" a new Playstation. His dad might "need" a new truck. A sadhu might not "need" food or clothes or medicine. "Need" and "demonstrated need" are very flexible terms.

Glock22Fan
09-07-2007, 4:33 PM
Thanks for the input, folks.

It isn't just a question of whether you can match the required "need," it is also a question of whether the policy is being applied in each and every case in departments that have adopted it. (14th).

Frankly, the policy is so difficult, that many CLEOs bypass it, when it suits them.

I'll refrain from commenting further at present, but please keep any further info coming.

Thanks.