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Outlaw Josey Wales
09-06-2007, 11:16 AM
UK Judge Wants DNA Base for All
Wednesday, September 5, 2007

(09-05) 02:07 PDT LONDON, United Kingdom (AP) --

All British citizens and every visitor to the country should be included on the national DNA database, which is already the world's largest, a senior British judge said Wednesday.

Lord Justice Stephen Sedley said the current database of nearly 4 million is insufficient, and that ethnic minorities are disproportionately included.

"We have a situation where if you happen to have been in the hands of the police, then your DNA is on permanent record. If you haven't, it isn't. ... That's broadly the picture," Sedley said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp.

"It also means that a great many people who are walking the streets, and whose DNA would show them guilty of crimes, go free."

Former Prime Minister Tony Blair suggested last year that the database should include all Britons.

Britain's database contains DNA samples from 5.2 percent of the nation's people. The United States, by contrast, has 0.5 percent of the population on its DNA database, according to the Home Office.

Richard Thomas, the government's information commissioner, said a debate was needed on problems in the system. The database, he noted, now includes samples from 9 percent of white males but 40 percent of black males.

However, he was cautious about moving to a universal database.

"This approach can be very intrusive. It raises really fundamental questions about how much the state or the police know about each of us. There are risks of errors or mistakes," Thomas told the BBC.

Sedley said there were "very serious but manageable implications" of a universal database, which he said should be used "for the absolutely rigorously restricted purpose of crime detection and prevention."

Shami Chakrabarti, director of the civil liberties group Liberty, said the debate about expanding the database "reveals just how casual some people have become about the value of personal privacy."

"A database of those convicted of sexual and violent crime is a perfectly sensible crime-fighting measure," Chakrabarti said. "A database of every man, woman and child in the country is a chilling proposal, ripe for indignity, error and abuse."


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09-06-2007, 11:29 AM
Duh! Of course they need a universal DNA database. Because they've already disarmed everyone, and they still have crime. Then they put up cameras everywhere (literally, it is a surveillance society), and they still have rampant crime. So obviously what they aren't doing is collecting DNA. If they do that all their problems will be solved!

But if that doesn't solve all their problems they need to have a universal psychosurgery program (residents and visitors) where they remove antisocial parts of the brain, put in electroshock chips, that kind of thing, to really solve crime.

09-06-2007, 11:34 AM
WOW... Big Brother is on his way there big time.

09-06-2007, 11:57 AM
WOW... Big Brother is on his way there big time.

He's already there, just getting Bigger.

09-06-2007, 12:12 PM
Yep! and if you are not in the Database you will not be able to get a job or go to school. sounds familiar

09-06-2007, 12:25 PM
Day late dollar short.



09-06-2007, 12:35 PM
We can't be far off the "Everyone must have an embedded microchip, linked by sensors on every street corner, to trace where they have been" lunacy.

09-06-2007, 1:09 PM
Yep! and if you are not in the Database you will not be able to get a job or go to school. sounds familiar

hmmm. mark of the beast. the rapture is coming! the rature is coming! ahhhh!

Outlaw Josey Wales
09-06-2007, 2:19 PM
We can't be far off the "Everyone must have an embedded microchip, linked by sensors on every street corner, to trace where they have been" lunacy.

You have some "valid" points! Ever see the film Gattaca?


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Gattaca is a 1997 science fiction drama film written and directed by Andrew Niccol, starring Ethan Hawke, Uma Thurman and Jude Law with supporting roles played by Loren Dean, Gore Vidal and Alan Arkin. The movie's score was composed by Michael Nyman.

The film presents a biopunk vision of a society driven by new eugenics. Children of the middle and upper classes are designer babies, genetically engineered in-vitro to be the optimal recombination of their parents' genetic material. A genetic registry database uses biometrics to instantly identify and classify those so created as valids while those conceived by traditional means are derisively known as faith births, god children and in-valids. In-valids who try to enter the valid world, by contracting with valids to purchase their DNA through collection of blood, urine, hairs, dead skin flakes, etc, are known as borrowed ladders and de-gene-erates. While genetic discrimination is forbidden by law, in practice it is easy to profile one's genotype resulting in the Valids qualifying for professional employment while the In-Valids who are susceptible to disease are relegated to menial jobs.

The movie draws on concerns over technological developments which facilitate reprogenetics, and the possible consequences of such biotechnology for society. It also explores the theme of destiny and the ways in which it can and does govern lives. Characters in Gattaca continually battle both with society and with themselves to find their place in the world and who they are destined to be according to their genes.

The word 'Gattaca' is composed of the initial letters of the four DNA nucleotides (adenine, cytosine, guanine, and thymine.)

09-06-2007, 7:53 PM
It really amazes me that people in the UK put up with such abuse from their government.

09-06-2007, 8:49 PM
As someone who grew up there , let me just say, it hasn't always been like that. It used to be a great place to live and grow up, I don't know just quite where it came off the rails, but it really breaks my heart to see what my beloved home has become. Many of us forward looking people saw the writing on the wall and left in the 70's (thanks Dad !) for lives in a better place, but sadly I am seeing the moral decay and corruption starting to leech into our society over here.

It should serve as a wake up call to those in the government that believe in opening up the doors and allowing vast amounts of immigration to go unchecked. The UK's policy of multi-culturalism is nothing but an abject failure.


09-06-2007, 9:02 PM
DNA sample is comming!!!!

09-06-2007, 9:14 PM
Hey !! No posting pictures of the inlaws on the board !!! :43::43:

09-06-2007, 9:21 PM
There are people talking about doing that here. Unless I am a felon. My DNA should no be in the governments hands. I could just think of all the evil uses with it. I would hate for it to get into the wrong hands. Besides being framed, what if Insurance companies got a hold of it. They could deny coverage based on a lot of things. They would never have to tell you why. The whole Human Genome thingy ( DNA Mapping) is just taking off. Someday they will tell if you have the genitic disposition for any disease or mental illness. . I am sure a government could think of something much sinister. This country was founded on people not trusting government. It is our duty to watch and control them. Not the other way around.

Outlaw Josey Wales
09-07-2007, 6:17 PM
Slain Youngster Mourned in Liverpool

Thursday, September 6, 2007

(09-06) 13:46 PDT LIVERPOOL, England (AP) --

Thousands of mourners dressed in soccer jerseys packed a cathedral Thursday for the funeral of Rhys Jones, an 11-year-old shot dead while walking home from a soccer game and laid to rest in a coffin emblazoned with the crest of his favorite team.

As Stephen Jones carried his son's small coffin down the aisle his face etched with grief applause echoed through the church in a gesture bestowed here at the funerals of soccer greats.

Mourners wore their favorite soccer jerseys blue for Rhys' favorite of Everton, or red for Liverpool in a show of solidarity that transcended traditional soccer rivalries.

"This is another unbearable loss for Liverpool," said John McMurray, 43. "It feels like we just keep getting punched."

The funeral was broadcast on national television. The slaying reopened debate in about youth violence in a country where gun crime is rare, but concern about lawless youngsters is rife.

Prime Minister Gordon Brown pledged tougher action on gun crime. "Guns in America are accepted but we don't want that for Britain," he said. "We want to get guns out of every community."

Rhys was shot in the neck Aug. 22 by a youth on a bicycle as he headed home alone after playing soccer with friends in a well-heeled housing development that borders one of Liverpool's poorer, gang-ridden neighborhoods. Police believe he was likely an innocent victim of a feud between street gangs.

"The heart of the city is being ripped out by all this violence," said James McDougal, 38, who cradled his 3-year-old son on his lap. "All of us feel for the family right now."

Parts of Liverpool, a city famed for The Beatles and its devotion to soccer, have undergone major changes, with posh waterfront developments, world-class museums and shopping promenades. But the revival has had little effect on the hard-bitten outskirts of the city, where families have struggled to make ends meet since manufacturing jobs dried up in the 1970s.

Despite 17 arrests since Rhys' killing, no one has been charged; 11 suspects were released on bail and six were freed outright.

"We've got more shopping malls and restaurants now, but we've also got guns and there's no money going to the communities," said McDougal. "In some ways, many of us have been driven from the places we knew as children."

Liverpudlians have remained resilient in the face of past tragedy. Nearly 100 Liverpool fans were crushed to death at a soccer match in Sheffield in 1989; sales of The Sun tabloid plummeted in Liverpool after it alleged the fans were drunk and that some picked the pockets of the dead. The newspaper later retracted the allegations.

Four years later, 2-year-old James Bulger was murdered by two schoolboys just outside Liverpool. During a nearly three-mile trek, the boys punched the child, beat him with bricks and hit him with an iron bar before leaving his body on a railroad track, where it was run over by a train. At least 38 people told police they saw the boys leading the child away, but no one really intervened a fact that haunts Liverpool today.

"We're all scared," said Steve Armer, 13, who knew Rhys and lived in his neighborhood of Croxteth Park, where Mercedes and Volkswagens line the driveways of brick houses with manicured lawns. "No one wants to talk about it."

Liverpool, like many parts of Britain, is dotted with neighborhoods divided by class or culture. Many children are from broken homes, and engage in binge drinking and drug use from an early age.

Rhys' neighborhood stands in stark contrast to the adjacent Croxteth area a bleak neighborhood of battered stucco duplexes, subsidized housing projects and scrubby sports fields.

"We stay over here normally," said Jonathon Moseley, 12, kicking a soccer ball against a fence with peeling paint in Croxteth. "There are a lot of problems right now. A lot of gangs and trouble. There's not much else to do except play football."

Some residents have branded the gangs of youth as "juvenile terrorists."

"There seems to be ... an epidemic of adolescent lawlessness," James Jones, the Anglican Bishop of Liverpool, told BBC radio. "We don't want to demonize young people ... but there is an issue about young people being out of control, especially in some parts of our city."

Concern about gun crime by British youths flared in February after three teenagers were killed in south London in separate incidents.

Many youths say Internet sites that showcase gang violence are a powerful force. The publicity, they say, can be seductive in an otherwise grim world of absent mothers and fathers, poverty and scant social opportunities.

"The worst thing that we ever did when we were growing up was robbing the apple trees," said a 71-year-old man raised in Rhys' neighborhood who asked that his name not be used out of fear. "We just try to keep our heads down now and keep quiet not to protect them but to protect ourselves. It's how things have become."

Much of Britain's gun crime is committed by children and teenagers under 18. In the capital alone this year, 18 young people have been slain 11 of them stabbed and seven shot.

Nearly 3,000 crimes were reported last year where the suspect was too young to be prosecuted. If a child is 9 or under, he or she cannot be charged with an offense. If children are under 18, they are often exempt from the 5-year jail sentences commonly meted out for firearm possession.


09-07-2007, 8:45 PM
If he wants to come to America I'll be happy to give him a sample, all he has to do is open his mouth and close his eye's...........................