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09-05-2007, 12:07 AM
Maybe some dirt was dug up on the most anti gun presidental canidates.

Chinese donor sounds like '96-Chinese funding tied to Clinton and Obama

Chinese donor sounds like '96
By Bill Gertz
*--*The Washington Times, America's Newspaper
September 4, 2007

Questionable donations to Democratic officials and presidential candidates from a Chinese-American businessman highlight past concerns over Chinese political influence-buying operations.

Apparel executive Norman Hsu, who turned himself in last week to authorities in California to face fraud charges, donated more than $1 million to senior Democrats, including the presidential campaigns of Sens. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York and Barack Obama of Illinois.

Mr. Hsu, a native of Hong Kong, has not been linked to any foreign government, and the fraud charges are unrelated to campaign contributions. It is not known whether federal investigators are looking into his donations, most of which were made since 2003.

Mrs. Clinton, who gave $23,000 of Mr. Hsu's money to charity, said last week that the case does not appear similar to the 1996 scandal involving a covert effort by China's government to funnel money to President Clinton's re-election campaign.

China, however, is linked to past covert funding of Democratic and Republican campaigns.

The Senate Governmental Affairs Committee investigated what it called the Clinton campaign fundraising "scandal" in 1997 and issued a report showing that four persons were linked to large illicit contributions thought to have come from China's government through Hong Kong.

The committee's report identified one Chinese government agent, Indonesian Ted Sioeng, as having given a $7,500 donation to a Norman Hsu.

But that Norman Hsu was not the same person who is linked to recent questionable Democratic campaign fundraising. The Norman Hsu mentioned in the Senate report was a Republican political candidate in California who has no connection to the Mr. Hsu currently under scrutiny.

Some of Mr. Hsu's donations were made through several people, raising suspicions that the money came from foreign or other hidden sources.

In one case, Mr. Hsu, a naturalized U.S. citizen who according to his attorney lived in Hong Kong from 1992 to 1996, worked with a family in Daly City, Calif. The family was headed by William Paw, a mail carrier who earned a relatively small salary, but who since 2004 gave more than $200,000 in donations, including $55,000 to Mrs. Clinton.

Mr. Hsu could not be reached for comment, and his attorney did not return a telephone call seeking comment.

Mr. Hsu's Washington attorney, E. Lawrence Barcella, told Bloomberg News that "as far as campaign contribution aspects of that story, they are not only unproven allegations and innuendo but strongly denied by all the parties."

William C. Triplett II, a former Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff member whose 1998 book "Year of the Rat" highlighted the 1996 funding scandal, said he suspects that the Chinese are involved in Mrs. Clinton's presidential bid.

"What we saw in 1996 was similar," Mr. Triplett said. "Whenever the Clintons have money trouble, they turn to the Chinese and the Chinese don't let them down. Perhaps it is only a coincidence that both 1996 and 2008 are Years of the Rat in the Chinese calendar."

The 1997 Senate investigation provided details of Chinese political influence operations, including the use of cash payments to political candidates and parties through intermediaries.

The Senate investigation revealed that the Chinese government carried out a secret "China Plan" by "high-level [People's Republic of China] government officials" to "increase China's influence over the U.S. political process and to be implemented by diplomatic posts in the U.S.," the report said.

The program involved a "broad array of Chinese efforts designed to influence U.S. policies and elections through, among other means, financing election campaigns," the report said.

The plan involved legal and illegal Chinese influence activities, including a "seeding strategy of developing viable candidates sympathetic to the PRC for future federal elections; the creation of a 'Central Leading Group for U.S. Congressional Affairs' to coordinate China's lobbying efforts in this country; and PRC officials discussing financing American elections through covert means," the report said.

A lesser-known Chinese influence-buying operation was brought to light after the 2003 arrest of Chinese double agent Katrina Leung, a Los Angeles businesswoman who was an FBI informant since the 1980s but who also secretly collaborated with Chinese intelligence.

Leung was recruited by the FBI and had affairs with two senior FBI counterintelligence officials until she was arrested on spying charges. She pleaded guilty to lesser charges in 2005.

A declassified FBI report made public in the case revealed that China's Minister of State Security (MSS) Jia Chunwang and Chinese President Jiang Zemin discussed a plan in 1991 to influence the administration of President George Bush by bankrolling Leung's membership in a Republican donors group.

The FBI report, dated March 15, 1991, stated that Leung was questioned by her MSS handler, Mao Guohua, on "how can you actively participate in this [upcoming 1992] election." Leung replied that she could gain access to the "inner circle" of the Republican Party by making $10,000 donations.

Leung then reported meeting with the Chinese president and Mr. Jia on March 4, 1991, at the leadership compound in Beijing called Zhongnanhai. According to the report, Mr. Jiang asked Leung whether Mr. Bush would be re-elected and said the communist leadership was concerned about another candidate winning because "we don't know if a new president would be as friendly as Bush."

Leung reported that Mr. Jiang told her that "we do not expect you to go into politics, but we take every opportunity to support people we like because we do not have an organized lobbying effort."

09-05-2007, 12:45 AM
who believes either Hillary or the Obama has a chance?

09-05-2007, 1:02 AM
The liberal media and the state of California.

09-05-2007, 2:18 AM
The liberal media and the state of California.

The liberal media as represented by such trustworthy outlets as "The Washington Times?"

09-05-2007, 2:18 AM
Its not that simple. The blacks came here during wwii for work. Except for the little tribe in the 1930s witch died. The blacks were the wetbacks of the forties not to be confused with real hispanic ppls that served in wwII. Earlier, phillopineo were apart of Sunnyvale. They had gangs at the dance halls and used knives to protect their girls. Nothing like like the Negro gangs of the sixties and seventies. They used weapons to created drug selling zones to their own ppls. In 1970s the negroes became blacks. And the slippery slope started to who is a minority...My duaghter was a mivority because her grandfather was born east of a mtn range in Spain. But all Portagese are not minorities. Are things getting clear as to who is a minority yet? Jessie jackson has many dinner with middleclass ppls of his own race and declare themselves minorities. But jessie knows a way of exhoting money from big business which makes him a whitecollar crimminal. Yes I'm confused as my daughter is 1/8 spanish, but able to join the Daughters of the American Revolution.
We have alot of ppls using gov funds to make a living....Jessie jackson is the biggist one. When I get into it, there are several here in San Francisco that use free property to promte their ajenda of the day..and then looked for more ajendas to keep the money rolling in.

The liberal media and the state of California.

09-05-2007, 6:18 AM
Someone explain why taking campaign money from one of our largest trading partners is bad, while taking money from the AIPAC is good.


09-05-2007, 10:07 AM
Just heard on the news. Dude took leg bail. Didn't show up for his hearing this morning and his passport is missing. Forfeted $2 mil bucks.

What kind of idiot judge gave this clown bail in the first place?

09-05-2007, 12:05 PM
Someone explain why taking campaign money from one of our largest trading partners is bad, while taking money from the AIPAC is good.


Because China is not a free country and Israel is still relatively free for its citizens, including non-Jewish citizens. More importantly, Israel is not actively manipulating its currency to inflate its trade surplus, while actively building up it's military to counter our military.

From what I read, there is no sinister international plot involving China. Rather, the guy was using photo opportunities through campaign contributions to hustle his pyramid scheme on naive business partners who do not know that in democratic countries a photo with your elected representative is just another photo.

09-05-2007, 8:16 PM
Those that are trying cannot even substantiate his employment or so called business deals. Where did his money come from then? Supposedly when he came back from Hong Kong sometime he had all of this money from some business deals.
He's such a giver that guy especially to the Democrat party. No, nothing suspicious there. He may not even be trying to buy influence from coughChinacough. It can't be. Nothing like that ever happens, never.

09-06-2007, 12:56 AM
The guy was involved in some sort of ponzi scheme and skipped his sentencing hearing back in 1992. . . . . . maybe he was trying to buy influence for China. . .but why use such a loser when you already have Neil Bush & Diane Feinstein speaking for you, along with most of corporate America.