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SteveInKA
09-04-2007, 3:14 PM
Hey guys,
I was in East Bay Oakland a little while ago. I'm producing a reality tv special about a local biker gang out there. I was with one of my ENG crews shooting b roll of the ghetto of Oakland.

My camera man, audio guy and assistant as well as myself hopped out of our van and put our digi beta cam on sticks on the side of the road to roll a bit. About fifty yards up i see a black man sitting in a green older model honda accord. He's been sitting there the whole time we've been filming, staring at us the whole time. It made me a bit nervous seeing as how the camera we were renting/using was worth almost $80k.

I told my camera man to be prepared and just know that some pos is watching us do our thing. He started to drive up, i maintained eye contact with him the entire time, while my camera man and audio guy were working. He stopped next to us...we were on the left side of the street facing north, he was coming south.

"What are you doin?"---scumbag
"Shooting a documentary about east bay oakland"---me
"word?"---scumbag
"uh, yes, word"---me
"shoot this"---scumbag

This pos pulled out what appeared to me to be a Glock G17. I couldn't really be sure though..but i'd put my money on it being a G17. Not sure how this ghetto *** pos got that pistol. Actually, yes i am but i don't need or care to assume things.

He didn't point it at me, just pulled it from his lap, under a towel or shirt or something. My camera man was really shaken up and was borderline shaking. We packed up and left. He was curious as to why i wasn't really reacting to what had happened. To tell you the truth i was a bit surprised at how i reacted too.

If anyone would've asked me prior to this happening..."how would you react if someone pulled a gun out/brandished a weapon at you". I would probably say that i'd get really upset and haul *** outta there. But i didn't. I simply looked the guy straight in the eye and didn't say or react one bit.

The only thing i said was to my crew..and that was "damn, wish i had my FN Five Seven with me." Of course i was just messing around, i wouldn't want to be in a gun fight if i didn't have a CCW.

So that's my first and hopefully last story about getting a gun pulled on me. Sorry about the length.

EdinKali
09-04-2007, 3:19 PM
Maybe he was DEA and it was a glock "Foty". ;)

Rob P.
09-04-2007, 3:27 PM
What - you didn't have your camera guy shoot some footage of the scumbag waving his gun at you and his vehicle and license plate? Good clear film that LEO could use for prosecution purposes and which YOU could use for CCW purposes?

savageevo
09-04-2007, 3:34 PM
I agree, you should of filmed him coming towards you and brandished his gun. then you could report that trash to the proper authorities so bubba could have another boyfriend.

WokMaster1
09-04-2007, 3:39 PM
welcome to Oakland. Be careful out there. By any chance did the cameraman filmed the car details, license plate, driver? If you did, pass the info to OPD or CHP. CHP is real active there now because the Gov has authorized extra muscle to supplement OPD.

Just an idea here, if you want cheap LEO escort, post an ad on Craigslist. See if you can exchange security for learning how to do video/film work. You'll never know. They might have to report to the local station in your area just to let them know that 'he/she' is working security in the area. I don't know if it's legit but I think it's fine if no payment exchanged hands. Any ideas?

Jicko
09-04-2007, 3:40 PM
Get some footage of that man....

Perfect line of work and reason for CCW....

You'd need it for work, since you are doing high risk work.... and here is the "proof"....

paradox
09-04-2007, 3:40 PM
Hey guys,
I was in East Bay Oakland a little while ago. I'm producing a reality tv special about a local biker gang out there. I was with one of my ENG crews shooting b roll of the ghetto of Oakland.

..
a black man sitting in a green older model honda accord:
...
"What are you doin?"---scumbag
"Shooting a documentary about east bay oakland"---me
"word?"---scumbag
"uh, yes, word"---me
"shoot this"---scumbag

This pos pulled out what appeared to me to be a Glock G17.

Let me get this straight, you’re shooting a reality-TV show about biker gangs in E. Oakland and are surprised about getting a gun pulled on you? :confused:

I say you passed up on a great opportunity to get a sequel filmed: “Gats in O’town”

SteveInKA
09-04-2007, 4:10 PM
You know guys i never really thought about requesting a CCW based on the field work i do. That is a damn good idea. Thing is, i'm not sure how my fellow crew members would feel about me carrying. Afterall, this is hollywood and most of the people i work with are liberal lefties who's argument of why have a gun is "just call 911". As far as getting the guys info/plate etc. It really happened all too fast. My camera man had his camera locked on sticks pointing north. Before it all happened i did notice that the guy's green accord had no front plate. Also, my cameraman wouldn't have panned over to the guy in fear of the guy seeing us do so and coming back, understandably so.

Forgot to mention a funny thing that happened five minutes prior to Johnny Ghetto Jackson flashing his piece at us. An elderly man walked up to us and asked us what we were doing. As i usually do i told him "we're shooting a documentary". He replied "it's strange to see a camera crew down here doing that, usually we just get the news crews here filming someone with a hole in their head". Not exactly what i wanted to hear.

SteveInKA
09-04-2007, 4:15 PM
Let me get this straight, you’re shooting a reality-TV show about biker gangs in E. Oakland and are surprised about getting a gun pulled on you? :confused:

I say you passed up on a great opportunity to get a sequel filmed: “Gats in O’town”

Not a show, just a one hour special. Actually the safest parts of the shoot were when i was with the bikers. They get respect from EVERYONE out there, including the police. Big burley white dudes, tattoos and matching colors/jackets seem to intimidate people, even the ghetto *** gangbangers. I spent a long time in the trenches with those guys. Got to be good friends with a lot of them. Most of them are gun enthusiasts like ourselves...and stand up guys who would have your back no matter what.

WokMaster1
09-04-2007, 4:20 PM
Not a show, just a one hour special. Actually the safest parts of the shoot were when i was with the bikers. They get respect from EVERYONE out there, including the police. Big burley white dudes, tattoos and matching colors/jackets seem to intimidate people, even the ghetto *** gangbangers. I spent a long time in the trenches with those guys. Got to be good friends with a lot of them. Most of them are gun enthusiasts like ourselves...and stand up guys who would have your back no matter what.

did you tell them about the green honda? Maybe they know the guy & will pay him a visit for frightening their friends.......

savageevo
09-04-2007, 4:45 PM
instead of hiring an of duty leo, just hire a couple biker dudes just to hang around,:p

paradox
09-04-2007, 4:50 PM
instead of hiring an of duty leo, just hire a couple biker dudes just to hang around,:p

That worked swell for the Stones...

mecam
09-04-2007, 4:56 PM
Yaa Area East Oakland...:52: Stay away mayne!! :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijb56pPwq20


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sloguy
09-04-2007, 4:58 PM
i went to visit friends who lived in oakland once. 5 minutes in town and i saw some guy and another guy arguing in traffic, and one was waiving a gun. as i was passing by i realized that i was then downrange of the guy with a gun if he started shooting at the other guy. i took the next side street to take cover.

Piper
09-04-2007, 5:08 PM
Gee, can't think of any reason for law abiding citizens to carry in public. Just keep your cellphone with you and "POOF" the cops will be there. :rolleyes:

Yep, Sir Robert Peel had one helluva and idea there. Glad we borrowed the metropolitan police concept from the Brits.:euro: We really need them to make us safe.

M. Sage
09-04-2007, 5:37 PM
That is a damn good idea. Thing is, i'm not sure how my fellow crew members would feel about me carrying. Afterall, this is hollywood and most of the people i work with are liberal lefties who's argument of why have a gun is "just call 911".


Question: Who cares what they think? Obviously they don't care what you think, on this subject anyway...

Another question: Why should they have to know if you're armed? It's "concealed" carry for a reason. :whistling: You shouldn't let people around you know you're carrying anyway, since if something happens, you don't want them all turning to you and saying something dumb like "quick, get your gun out!" before the time is right.

WokMaster1
09-04-2007, 5:49 PM
Gee, can't think of any reason for law abiding citizens to carry in public. Just keep your cellphone with you and "POOF" the cops will be there. :rolleyes:

Yep, Sir Robert Peel had one helluva and idea there. Glad we borrowed the metropolitan police concept from the Brits.:euro: We really need them to make us safe.

Truncheon & whistle, that's all you need.

berto
09-04-2007, 6:28 PM
Welcome to the town yo. Imagine if you lived there.

artherd
09-04-2007, 11:01 PM
TELL ME you got that in the can!

metalhead357
09-04-2007, 11:11 PM
Get some footage of that man....

Perfect line of work and reason for CCW....

You'd need it for work, since you are doing high risk work.... and here is the "proof"....

+1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

thedrickel
09-04-2007, 11:14 PM
And I shouldn't have a CCW? :rolleyes: :icon_bs:

The ****in place is a warzone and they only want the criminals to have guns? :confused:

Crazed_SS
09-04-2007, 11:47 PM
Not a show, just a one hour special. Actually the safest parts of the shoot were when i was with the bikers. They get respect from EVERYONE out there, including the police. Big burley white dudes, tattoos and matching colors/jackets seem to intimidate people, even the ghetto *** gangbangers. I spent a long time in the trenches with those guys. Got to be good friends with a lot of them. Most of them are gun enthusiasts like ourselves...and stand up guys who would have your back no matter what.

Biker gangs are stand up guys? I'd be interested in seeing your film.. I was always under the impression that the true badass Biker gangs were connected with bad stuff.. I hold them the White burly dudes in the same regard and the Black ghetto pos guy who pulled showed you his Glock.

Not sure how this ghetto *** pos got that pistol. Actually, yes i am but i don't need or care to assume things.
Maybe he bought it at the gun store? It's Pretty easy to get a gun.. even in Cali.. even if you're a ghetto pos.

Alan Block
09-05-2007, 8:51 AM
Survivor Oakland?

xrMike
09-05-2007, 9:42 AM
TELL ME you got that in the can!:D Sounds like you been in the biz, heheh.

xrMike
09-05-2007, 9:49 AM
3) I love how when the perp is not a white guy, people feel the need to mention race/colorHe's not a perp, okay? He's only an ALLEGED perp... How dare you pre-judge him like that!

And since we have no idea about the terrible conditions and stressors that may have shaped his childhood, we really need to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until we get to know him better and understand what's motivating him. :D


I imagine if it was a black guy telling the story, and the POS was white, the black guy would've noted his whiteness too... Nothing unusual or racist about it. Just a pertinent detail.

Crazed_SS
09-05-2007, 4:16 PM
He's not a perp, okay? He's only an ALLEGED perp... How dare you pre-judge him like that!

And since we have no idea about the terrible conditions and stressors that may have shaped his childhood, we really need to give him the benefit of the doubt, at least until we get to know him better and understand what's motivating him. :D


I imagine if it was a black guy telling the story, and the POS was white, the black guy would've noted his whiteness too... Nothing unusual or racist about it. Just a pertinent detail.

Unless you believe being Black and a ghetto pos are related traits, then it really isnt a pertitent detail.

Robert1234
09-05-2007, 5:12 PM
"Maybe he was DEA and it was a glock "Foty"."
That's Glock foTAY

"What - you didn't have your camera guy shoot some footage of the scumbag waving his gun at you and his vehicle and license plate? Good clear film that LEO could use for prosecution purposes and which YOU could use for CCW purposes?"
Cops got better things to do, like writing speeding tickets. Unless someone is shot, they probably won't respond. Especially in that Cesspool.

"3) I love how when the perp is not a white guy, people feel the need to mention race/color"
Because he is a black guy. I didn't realize that describing a black guy as a black guy was insulting.

EBWhite
09-05-2007, 5:18 PM
3) I love how when the perp is not a white guy, people feel the need to mention race/color


Your clueless

metalhead357
09-05-2007, 5:29 PM
Your clueless


Oh come on EB...get it right if you're making fun...its a contraction of YOU+ARE...YOU'RE........:p


Ah heck play nice...people see what they wanna see;)

Crazed_SS
09-05-2007, 5:38 PM
Because he is a black guy. I didn't realize that describing a black guy as a black guy was insulting.

It's not the description, it's the fact the he felt the need to bring up his race as if it had anything to do with anything. It's like if I was telling a story and I say, "And this stupid White cop pulls me over for some BS infraction.." The cop being White has no bearing on anything. There's no reason to bring up the cop's race other than to race bait. Same with the story in this case.

xrMike
09-05-2007, 5:56 PM
Unless you believe being Black and a ghetto pos are related traits, then it really isnt a pertitent detail.The OP didn't even use "black" and "ghetto POS" in the same sentence, or paragraph. You were the first one to do that.

How dare you pre-judge that alledgedly non-white, non-vaginal, homo sapien like that!

Bonus points: What color was the car? (no fair peeking)

metalhead357
09-05-2007, 6:06 PM
Black men scare me.


I'd love to ask why....but then again I'd also love to keep this thread open!!!!!....... and for any/all of us to continue down this path will bring the Avenger Mods down upon us-- THEMS the ones ya' need to fear;)

People are just people.......both good and bad can come in many flavors from vanilla to choclate...lets just leave it at that.....

metalhead357
09-05-2007, 6:13 PM
Because I am half black, and sometimes when I look in the mirror, all I see is Tyrone staring back saying "Matt, go carjack a white woman."

It freaks me out.

:43::43::43:


Ohhh Good Lord..... Ok, touche'...... EXCEPTIONALLY GLAD twuz a joke of sorts;)

Racefiend
09-05-2007, 7:31 PM
Cops got better things to do, like writing speeding tickets.


You wouldn't believe what the Oakland cops were doing on 7th street the other day. They had an undercover standing at the intersection. When he'd see a car getting close, he would cross the intersection against the light. If the car didn't come to a complete stop until he cleared, there were motorcycle cops down the road that would pull them over. They did this for about 4 hrs. Disgusting.

To the OP. Are you doing your documentary on the Rats?

Solidmch
09-05-2007, 7:52 PM
Biker gangs are stand up guys? I'd be interested in seeing your film.. I was always under the impression that the true badass Biker gangs were connected with bad stuff.. I hold them the White burly dudes in the same regard and the Black ghetto pos guy who pulled showed you his Glock.


Maybe he bought it at the gun store? It's Pretty easy to get a gun.. even in Cali.. even if you're a ghetto pos.

or maybe he is responsible for one of the 92this year. Oh 93 one guy got it last night.Though hes still hooked up at Highland :43:

heyjak
09-05-2007, 8:46 PM
What did you expect to find in Oakland? A "Welcome Wagon"? I also think carrying would be a major mistake- might lead to a "shootout" in which you would be no match for a "loser" who is willing to die to "protect" his turf.
Sorry to be so harsh, but you really need to think this through and have some sort of reasonable security in place if you intend to film in the ghetto.:eek:

Solidmch
09-05-2007, 9:19 PM
What did you expect to find in Oakland? A "Welcome Wagon"? I also think carrying would be a major mistake- might lead to a "shootout" in which you would be no match for a "loser" who is willing to die to "protect" his turf.
Sorry to be so harsh, but you really need to think this through and have some sort of reasonable security in place if you intend to film in the ghetto.:eek:

In part I could not disagree with you more. Everyone who is a non felon, non 5150 should have the right to carry. My point is why would you go to East Oakland. The three major bike gangs in East Oakland are. The Hells Angels, The East Bay Dragons, and The Soul Brothers. All do not like being video taped. All will have counter survalance on anyone who has a camera and looks to be taping them. They have many people ready to show out at anytime for them. I suspect that this was what happend. There are other groups many have the same policys. Know your subjects. Maybe you should crap in a safer sandbox.

EBWhite
09-05-2007, 11:16 PM
If you are going to try to insult me, at least use proper grammar.

You're right. However, you're still clueless!

Robert1234
09-06-2007, 8:27 AM
Because I am half black, and sometimes when I look in the mirror, all I see is Tyrone staring back saying "Matt, go carjack a white woman."

It freaks me out.
Thatís funny!!!

Lots of agencies do that. People need to learn to pay attention at intersections and understand that when someone is crossing at a marked intersection, that person has the right of way.
In Oakland, that should be low on their list of priorities. Sorry, when you have almost 150 murders in a town of 400,000, and see San Diego, a border town, with 1.3 million and only 56 murders, you should be focusing your police force on issues besides traffic crossing traps.

And regarding the question; "What did you expect to find, the welcome wagon?", no, he probably expected to walk the streets reasonably free from the risk of bodily harm. That's why we pay police departments to exist. Only problem, in Oakland (in most major cities these days) cops aren't really that concerned about public safety. Most are more interested in generating revenue via traffic violations. Pity, a city with the potential Oakland has can't get itself out of the trash bin.

xrMike
09-06-2007, 3:20 PM
But yes, they have to have their priorities straight, and way up on the totem pole should be policing black people.:D Had to choke down a big laugh here at the office with that one.

rivviepop
09-06-2007, 3:56 PM
Biker gangs are stand up guys? I'd be interested in seeing your film.. I was always under the impression that the true badass Biker gangs were connected with bad stuff.. I hold them the White burly dudes in the same regard and the Black ghetto pos guy who pulled showed you his Glock.

Times have changed, it's different up here. I have many a friend (non-white, let's use Mexican/Latino/Hispanic for this purpose) who would not/don't have any problem walking by, being near or engaging in conversation with the biker gang (disclaimer: I live near the Hells Angels clubhouse). Those same people won't step foot anywhere near where the ghetto gangbangers hang out. (like most SF Bay residents I have friends of every imaginable mix/color/creed you can imagine)

Why? Racism - remember it's not just about "whites hating blacks", but about intolerance of one group for the other. It's a sad but true fact (from studies and figures I've seen) that racism against non-black people by black persons is now higher than the other way around out here, and many upstanding members of the black community are trying to address the problem in whatever way they can. This is very controversial (read: some leaders of the black community praise it, some leaders denounce it) but very popular right now:

http://withintheblackcommunity.blogspot.com/

Racism just plain sucks no matter how you look at it from any angle; however there are hard realities, facts and figures that you have to account for in your day to day life that make you *feel* like a racist. In this same area I live near the Hells Angels clubhouse is the city funded Projects, primarily (if not mostly/entirely?) the residents are black. One evening new to the area I was walking around and walked through this area and was immediately racially discriminated against (cat calls "hey whitey you in the wrong 'hood", etc.) because I'm a white male. I have never walked through that area again because now I expect to get jumped and mugged based on my one and only experience minding my own business. (stories on being mugged saved for another time)

Robert1234
09-06-2007, 7:15 PM
"But yes, they have to have their priorities straight, and way up on the totem pole should be policing black people."

Couldn't agree with you more. Once they get this right, the rest should fall into place nicely.

Got ya!!

Personally couldn't care less what color a scumbag is, they should all be permanently removed from civilized society.

PeteRR
09-06-2007, 10:11 PM
I've had pistols brandished and pointed at me more than once. I repoed cars in Jersey back in the '80s and early '90s. We didn't carry as the state was effectively non-CCW. The 1st time I almost peed myself. My partner was so mad at the guy that once we left, he dragged the guy's Camaro with all 4 wheels on the ground for about a mile destroying the transmission.

M. Sage
09-06-2007, 10:15 PM
Lots of agencies do that. People need to learn to pay attention at intersections and understand that when someone is crossing at a marked intersection, that person has the right of way.

Yeah, but these guys wait till you can't stop and step off the curb, and that's it. No indication that they're going to...

Sorry, but if someone crosses against the light, they're just asking to get splattered. If they do, wah.

aplinker
09-07-2007, 12:17 AM
Because I am half black, and sometimes when I look in the mirror, all I see is Tyrone staring back saying "Matt, go carjack a white woman."

It freaks me out.
Thatís funny!!!

Lots of agencies do that. People need to learn to pay attention at intersections and understand that when someone is crossing at a marked intersection, that person has the right of way.
In Oakland, that should be low on their list of priorities. Sorry, when you have almost 150 murders in a town of 400,000, and see San Diego, a border town, with 1.3 million and only 56 murders, you should be focusing your police force on issues besides traffic crossing traps.

And regarding the question; "What did you expect to find, the welcome wagon?", no, he probably expected to walk the streets reasonably free from the risk of bodily harm. That's why we pay police departments to exist. Only problem, in Oakland (in most major cities these days) cops aren't really that concerned about public safety. Most are more interested in generating revenue via traffic violations. Pity, a city with the potential Oakland has can't get itself out of the trash bin.


I have close friends in OPD. All of them are far cries from what you describe. They are all far more interested in felonies than infractions and back that up with how they work.

Don't forget that officers are required to do what their supervisors require them to do. That you think OPD is all about traffic revenue is pure ignorance.

Crazed_SS
09-07-2007, 4:15 AM
Times have changed, it's different up here. I have many a friend (non-white, let's use Mexican/Latino/Hispanic for this purpose) who would not/don't have any problem walking by, being near or engaging in conversation with the biker gang (disclaimer: I live near the Hells Angels clubhouse). Those same people won't step foot anywhere near where the ghetto gangbangers hang out. (like most SF Bay residents I have friends of every imaginable mix/color/creed you can imagine)



They Hispanics might be "tolerated" because in prison La Eme and the AB work together somewhat. Anyway, I dont want to argue with the guys research because I havent seen it, but from stuff I've read and documentaries I've seen, the biker gangs who pride themselves on being the "one percenters" are stand up guys in the same way mafia or cartel members are stand up guys. Sure they have a code and respect for each other and all that jazz, but that doesnt make them good guys.. unless you consider people do deal in meth good guys.

http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/1992/11/30/77184/index.htm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/bikergangs/
http://www.nationalgangcenter.gov/news/2005_10_04_NDW_Vol_4_No_40_Gangs.pdf

Solidmch
09-07-2007, 2:59 PM
I have close friends in OPD. All of them are far cries from what you describe. They are all far more interested in felonies than infractions and back that up with how they work.

Don't forget that officers are required to do what their supervisors require them to do. That you think OPD is all about traffic revenue is pure ignorance.

+100. Traffic is a small department at OPD spread thinly only four squads of ten. Two are only for Side Show. Most people in patrol or any other unit wont deal with it unless it spells Felony.

Glock22Fan
09-07-2007, 3:19 PM
I've had pistols brandished and pointed at me more than once. I repoed cars in Jersey back in the '80s and early '90s. We didn't carry as the state was effectively non-CCW. The 1st time I almost peed myself. My partner was so mad at the guy that once we left, he dragged the guy's Camaro with all 4 wheels on the ground for about a mile destroying the transmission.


And how did this hurt the guy? If you repo'd the car, the only sufferer would be the finance company.

Glock22Fan
09-07-2007, 3:22 PM
The other day, I said to my wife, "There was this young blonde woman, sitting in a gray SUV, blah, blah, blah."

Was I being ageist, sexist, or anti-blonde? Prejudiced against gray cars, or SUV's? No, I was just describing the scene.

PeteRR
09-07-2007, 3:23 PM
And how did this hurt the guy? If you repo'd the car, the only sufferer would be the finance company.

Finance companies sue you for the difference between what's owed and what the car fetches at auction. Having a blown trans definitely lowered the value of the car. :p

rips31
09-07-2007, 4:22 PM
The only thing i said was to my crew..and that was "damn, wish i had my FN Five Seven with me." Of course i was just messing around, i wouldn't want to be in a gun fight if i didn't have a CCW.

you've got good taste in weapons. :) glad you're ok.

Glock22Fan
09-07-2007, 4:29 PM
Finance companies sue you for the difference between what's owed and what the car fetches at auction. Having a blown trans definitely lowered the value of the car. :p

You have a point, but that assumes that they can collect. Not my field of expertise, but I had sort of thought that they usually didn't bother, as if you can't keep up your payments, you probably aren't swimming in funds. Certainly, I know a few people that have been foreclosed on, with losses much more than the average car, and their only penalty was paying the taxes on the written off amount.

berto
09-07-2007, 5:02 PM
The guy with the gun was probably a local knucklehead looking for his 15 minutes of fame by showing off his piece on film. Youtube and the like is full of hood rat idiots bragging to anybody willing to give them camera time.

PeteRR
09-07-2007, 5:27 PM
You have a point, but that assumes that they can collect. Not my field of expertise, but I had sort of thought that they usually didn't bother, as if you can't keep up your payments, you probably aren't swimming in funds. Certainly, I know a few people that have been foreclosed on, with losses much more than the average car, and their only penalty was paying the taxes on the written off amount.

An employee of mine had his wages garnished to pay off a car that his separated wife had sold for a loss. GMAC it seems, is not as forgiving.

N6ATF
09-07-2007, 5:31 PM
According to an ex-cop teacher I had, traffic stops are a great way for cops to pick up those with active warrants and stolen vehicles. If you become an expert in the Vehicle Code, it's easy to find the Probable Cause to stop in the way they drive or their vehicle's lack of maintainance, and you can run them 6 ways 'til Sunday.

metalhead357
09-07-2007, 5:33 PM
An employee of mine had his wages garnished to pay off a car that his separated wife had sold for a loss. GMAC it seems, is not as forgiving.


Heard TODAY that on average anyone buying a GM product is pretty much paying close to $1500 (of the total cost) to pay for the employee's retirement fund for those already retired:cool: I'll see if I cant get the source from my co-worker on monday....but wouln't surprise me.....

metalhead357
09-07-2007, 5:34 PM
According to an ex-cop teacher I had, traffic stops are a great way for cops to pick up those with active warrants and stolen vehicles. If you become an expert in the Vehicle Code, it's easy to find the Probable Cause to stop in the way they drive or their vehicle's lack of maintainance, and you can run them 6 ways 'til Sunday.


Yep. Had/have current LEO that will tell ya' the same about NEW cars too; they can really stop just about anyone if they set thier mind to it & there usually IS some code buried somewhere to back it up:sleeping:

glockman19
09-07-2007, 5:44 PM
I hope you got him, his car & plate number on film. Send it to the local LEO give him a nice vacation.