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Roo
08-30-2007, 3:26 PM
After reading all these post about people getting searched while at school I wanted to know if it is illegal to have a gun in your car that is parked in the school parking lot? I goto the range after work and then head over to school and now I am scared I could be breaking the law...

CalNRA
08-30-2007, 3:33 PM
K-12 it's a no-no

colleges, I found this:

http://www.ucop.edu/ucophome/coordrev/policy/8-16-99gun.html

ETD1010
08-30-2007, 4:18 PM
Are there exceptions for CCW holders?

mecam
08-30-2007, 4:18 PM
Just leave in your car and stay under the radar...:D And what I mean by that is do not put any NRA, Calguns, etc. stickers on your bumper or rear window.

CSDGuy
08-30-2007, 4:21 PM
Are there exceptions for CCW holders?

Yes there is. Read the statute that is at the bottom of the page of of the link on the first post...

Now then, if you're a student or an employee... you could be in violation of school policy even then.

WokMaster1
08-30-2007, 4:42 PM
people with ccw's have an exemption to carry on school grounds.many leo and da's don't know it some do and try to say it isn't so.there is one sherrif and da i know of that says its 100% legal and the permits he lets people have only have to be bound by cali laws and won't make any extra places or things you can't do with it

That sounds fabulous! Now let's get to work on the other 57 DAs & Sheriffs.

metalhead357
08-30-2007, 4:58 PM
people with ccw's have an exemption to carry on school grounds.many leo and da's don't know it some do and try to say it isn't so.

+1000000000 I saw it all the time and nobody believes it until they actually read the PC....and even then the questions still come........:rolleyes:

.223
08-30-2007, 5:55 PM
people with ccw's have an exemption to carry on school grounds.many leo and da's don't know it some do and try to say it isn't so.there is one sherrif and da i know of that says its 100% legal and the permits he lets people have only have to be bound by cali laws and won't make any extra places or things you can't do with it

Can you point out this exemption?

CSDGuy
08-30-2007, 6:16 PM
Can you point out this exemption?

Trivial exercise. Look up PC 629.9...

Here's the part YOU were asking about.
629.9(l) This section does not apply ... a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, ...

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 7:42 PM
With a permit, you can carry just about anywhere. I could carry to my job at a public high school legally! I just would get fired if I get caught. Unfortunately, this prevents me from carrying at work and I just have to rely on my students to be sufficiently armed to defend me should a shooter come on campus. :eek:

Now when I was a graduate student, I could care less if they kicked me out of school. Concealed means concealed and I only attended class once or twice without being armed for two whole years.

Losing my income is one thing, but having the potential to save lives over getting kicked out of school is another. At work I just have to rely on the Lord's will and that is fine. If it is my time to go, it is my time to go. I guess I could start parking my car across the street right off of school grounds. Wouldn't that be something if I ran the 150 yards to my car and came back to face a school shooter with a MMG AR15, 240 rounds in 30 round magazines, and a Glock? I have our campus cop on my speed dial just for that reason because if I ever do manage procure weapons on campus to defend myself and others (I think my odds of winning the lottery are signicantly higher), I want him to pass on to the dispatchers my description so they know I am friendly.

As far as carrying a gun in your trunk without a permit on school grounds, I don't know if that is legit and you need to research more. My initial guess is a big fat no. So just park off campus.

metalhead357
08-30-2007, 7:47 PM
With a permit, you can carry just about anywhere. I could carry to my job at a public high school legally! I just would get fired if I get caught. Unfortunately, this prevents me from carrying at work and I just have to rely on my students to be sufficiently armed to defend me should a shooter come on campus. :eek:

Now when I was a graduate student, I could care less if they kicked me out of school. Concealed means concealed and I only attended class once or twice without being armed for two whole years.

Losing my income is one thing, but having the potential to save lives over getting kicked out of school is another. At work I just have to rely on the Lord's will and that is fine. If it is my time to go, it is my time to go. I guess I could start parking my car across the street right off of school grounds. Wouldn't that be something if I ran the 150 yards to my car and came back to face a school shooter with a MMG AR15, 240 rounds in 30 round magazines, and a Glock? I have our campus cop on my speed dial just for that reason because if I ever do manage procure weapons on campus to defend myself and others (I think my odds of winning the lottery are signicantly higher), I want him to pass on to the dispatchers my description so they know I am friendly.

As far as carrying a gun in your trunk without a permit on school grounds, I don't know if that is legit and you need to research more. My initial guess is a big fat no. So just park off campus.

I remember our previous talks about the matter:) Dang....has it really been THAT long that I've known ya' here:confused::p But yeah, I agree...sometime ya' just gotta give it to the lord in them places ya' cant carry and just go about thy business of the day.

DedEye
08-30-2007, 7:51 PM
UCPD told me even driving across campus with a gun in your vehicle was illegal.

artherd
08-30-2007, 7:52 PM
The CCW exemption for carry on school grounds applies to ALL schools, you can pack when you pick your kid up at kindergarden with your CCW permit. (In CA, not so in many other states.)

metalhead357
08-30-2007, 7:53 PM
UCPD told me even driving across campus with a gun in your vehicle was illegal.


Yes. But *supposedly* not if disassembled........... dont go to jail on my account though;)

Patriot
08-30-2007, 8:00 PM
Yes. But *supposedly* not if disassembled........... dont go to jail on my account though;)

Try doing that even with a receiver-less build nowadays. You could probably win in court after you're done picking the asphalt out of your teeth :eek:

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 8:00 PM
There are all sorts of exemptions to the Gun Free Schools Acts (or whatever they are called). So driving across campus with a gun if that is within your reasonable route of travel is ok. If you are on the way from your house to a range too I believe. Someone look it up and post it here so we know for sure.

With a CCW, there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. I am not even sure if they can get you on tresspassing or make you person non grata since you are indeed exempt. Now that is for public schools, private schools most certainly can restrict you.

Cpl. Haas
08-30-2007, 8:29 PM
Anyone know what the rules are on CSU campuses? A classmate of mine accidentially left her GLOCK 22 locked and unloaded in the trunk of her car a few months ago and I've been wondering if she could have gotten in trouble for that.

emc002
08-30-2007, 8:40 PM
Anyone know what the rules are on CSU campuses? A classmate of mine accidentially left her GLOCK 22 locked and unloaded in the trunk of her car a few months ago and I've been wondering if she could have gotten in trouble for that.

U.C. policy, for all campuses, is no weapons, including CCW firearms. It's not "illegal" it's just against the conduct code you sign and acknowledge when you become a student.
If you're not a student, then the conduct code does not apply, but the campus police will arrest you anyway if they know, then have fun hiring/paying for an attorney and geting your gun back! :mad:
If you're a student, it's a calculated risk: Win the lottery/need to use your firearm in class or leave it at home... Goodness knows if some lib TA sees you with it or an imprint, guaranteed they'll call the campus PD.
All that being said, when I went to UCSD I had a CCW from my home county...

CSU is probably the same policy wise.

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 9:04 PM
If you're not a student, then the conduct code does not apply, but the campus police will arrest you anyway if they know, then have fun hiring/paying for an attorney and geting your gun back! :mad:

Quit fear mongering. There is no way in hell a UC is going to arrest me when I clearly point out PC and inform him/her and their supervisor if they arrest me for legal carry, they will answer for it. Cops are not stupid. If you know your stuff and stick to your guns, they are not going to haul you in because they want to if you are clearly informed about the law and let them know about it. If they do, they will answer for it.

Roo
08-30-2007, 9:09 PM
Doh! I am an idiot...

aplinker
08-30-2007, 9:55 PM
Lots of not-quite-right info in this thread... I'll provide my quick summary. I've highlighted important points.

* Locked up through k-12 school zone ok both fed and state
* nothing on college campus

There are all sorts of exemptions to the Gun Free Schools Acts (or whatever they are called). So driving across campus with a gun if that is within your reasonable route of travel is ok. If you are on the way from your house to a range too I believe. Someone look it up and post it here so we know for sure.


Here's the Federal law (I'll excerpt it, link has whole thing):
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000922----000-.html
§ 922. Unlawful acts
(a) It shall be unlawful—
(q)(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

aplinker
08-30-2007, 9:57 PM
And the state law:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=626-626.11
626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in
paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written
permission of the school district superintendent, his or her
designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as
specified in subdivision (f).
(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private
property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the
firearm is otherwise lawful.
(2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
accordance with state law.
(3) When the person possessing the firearm reasonably believes
that he or she is in grave danger because of circumstances forming
the basis of a current restraining order issued by a court against
another person or persons who has or have been found to pose a threat
to his or her life or safety. This subdivision may not apply when
the circumstances involve a mutual restraining order issued pursuant
to Division 10 (commencing with Section 6200) of the Family Code
absent a factual finding of a specific threat to the person's life or
safety. Upon a trial for violating subdivision (b), the trier of a
fact shall determine whether the defendant was acting out of a
reasonable belief that he or she was in grave danger.
(4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against
carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e),
or (h) of Section 12027.
(d) Except as provided in subdivision (b), it shall be unlawful
for any person, with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to
discharge, or attempt to discharge, a firearm in a school zone, as
defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e).
The prohibition contained in this subdivision does not apply to
the discharge of a firearm to the extent that the conditions of
paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) are satisfied.
(e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall
apply:
(1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the
grounds of the public or private school.
(2) "Firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given in
Section 12001.
(3) "Locked container" has the same meaning as that term is given
in subdivision (c) of Section 12026.1.
(4) "Concealed firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given
in Sections 12025 and 12026.1.
(f) (1) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
firearm in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school
providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive,
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three,
or five years.
(2) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public
or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
to 12, inclusive, shall be punished as follows:
(A) By imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five
years, if any of the following circumstances apply:
(i) If the person previously has been convicted of any felony, or
of any crime made punishable by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
12000) of Title 2 of Part 4.
(ii) If the person is within a class of persons prohibited from
possessing or acquiring a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or
12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and
Institutions Code.
(iii) If the firearm is any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person and the offense is
punished as a felony pursuant to Section 12025.
(B) By imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or
by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five years,
in all cases other than those specified in subparagraph (A).
(3) Any person who violates subdivision (d) shall be punished by
imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years.

***section removed to fit post in limit****

(h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or
buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research,
or administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be
loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of
a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or
attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited
to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the
firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when
it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in
the barrel or cylinder.
(k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
the proscribed conduct.
(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.
(m) This section does not apply to a security guard authorized to
carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Section 12031.
(n) This section does not apply to an existing shooting range at
a public or private school or university or college campus.
(o) This section does not apply to an honorably retired peace
officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm pursuant to
subdivision (a) or (i) of Section 12027 or paragraph (1) or (8) of
subdivision (b) of Section 12031.

aplinker
08-30-2007, 10:09 PM
And, lastly, 12026...

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/cacodes/pen/12020-12040.html

12026. (a) Section 12025 shall not apply to or affect any citizen
of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who
resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within
the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this
code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code,
who carries, either openly or concealed, anywhere within the citizen'
s or legal resident's place of residence, place of business, or on
private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal
resident any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.
(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or
carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen
of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who
resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within
the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this
code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to
purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed,
a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person within the citizen's or legal resident's place of
residence, place of business, or on private property owned or
lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting the
application of Section 12031.



12026.1. (a) Section 12025 shall not be construed to prohibit any
citizen of the United States over the age of 18 years who resides or
is temporarily within this state, and who is not within the excepted
classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this code or
Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, from
transporting or carrying any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person, provided that the
following applies to the firearm:
(1) The firearm is within a motor vehicle and it is locked in the
vehicle's trunk or in a locked container in the vehicle other than
the utility or glove compartment.
(2) The firearm is carried by the person directly to or from any
motor vehicle for any lawful purpose and, while carrying the firearm,
the firearm is contained within a locked container.
(b) The provisions of this section do not prohibit or limit the
otherwise lawful carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person in
accordance with this chapter.
(c) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock,
combination lock, or similar locking device.



12026.2. (a) Section 12025 does not apply to, or affect, any of the
following:
(1) The possession of a firearm by an authorized participant in a
motion picture, television, or video production or entertainment
event when the participant lawfully uses the firearm as part of that
production or event or while going directly to, or coming directly
from, that production or event.
(2) The possession of a firearm in a locked container by a member
of any club or organization, organized for the purpose of lawfully
collecting and lawfully displaying pistols, revolvers, or other
firearms, while the member is at meetings of the clubs or
organizations or while going directly to, and coming directly from,
those meetings.
(3) The transportation of a firearm by a participant when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a recognized safety or hunter
safety class, or a recognized sporting event involving that firearm.

(4) The transportation of a firearm by a person listed in Section
12026 directly between any of the places mentioned in Section 12026.

(5) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a fixed place of business or
private residential property for the purpose of the lawful repair or
the lawful transfer, sale, or loan of that firearm.
(6) The transportation of a firearm by a person listed in Section
12026 when going directly from the place where that person lawfully
received that firearm to that person's place of residence or place of
business or to private property owned or lawfully possessed by that
person.
(7) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a gun show, swap meet, or
similar event to which the public is invited, for the purpose of
displaying that firearm in a lawful manner.
(8) The transportation of a firearm by an authorized employee or
agent of a supplier of firearms when going directly to, or coming
directly from, a motion picture, television, or video production or
entertainment event for the purpose of providing that firearm to an
authorized participant to lawfully use as a part of that production
or event.
(9) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a target range, which holds a
regulatory or business license, for the purposes of practicing
shooting at targets with that firearm at that target range.
(10) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a place designated by a person
authorized to issue licenses pursuant to Section 12050 when done at
the request of the issuing agency so that the issuing agency can
determine whether or not a license should be issued to that person to
carry that firearm.
(11) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a lawful camping activity for
the purpose of having that firearm available for lawful personal
protection while at the lawful campsite. This paragraph shall not be
construed to override the statutory authority granted to the
Department of Parks and Recreation or any other state or local
governmental agencies to promulgate rules and regulations governing
the administration of parks and campgrounds.
(12) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with subdivision (c) or (i) of Section 12078 as it pertains to
that firearm.
(13) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
utilize subdivision (l) of Section 12078 as it pertains to that
firearm.
(14) The transportation of a firearm by a person when going
directly to, or coming directly from, a gun show or event, as defined
in Section 478.100 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations,
for the purpose of lawfully transferring, selling, or loaning that
firearm in accordance with subdivision (d) of Section 12072.
(15) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
utilize paragraph (6) of subdivision (a) of Section 12078 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(16) The transportation of a firearm by a person who finds the
firearm in order to comply with Article 1 (commencing with Section
2080) of Chapter 4 of Division 3 of the Civil Code as it pertains to
that firearm and if that firearm is being transported to a law
enforcement agency, the person gives prior notice to the law
enforcement agency that he or she is transporting the firearm to the
law enforcement agency.
(17) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with paragraph (2) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(18) The transportation of a firearm by a person who finds the
firearm and is transporting it to a law enforcement agency for
disposition according to law, if he or she gives prior notice to the
law enforcement agency that he or she is transporting the firearm to
the law enforcement agency for disposition according to law.
(19) The transportation of a firearm by a person in order to
comply with paragraph (3) of subdivision (f) of Section 12072 as it
pertains to that firearm.
(20) The transportation of a firearm by a person for the purpose
of obtaining an identification number or mark assigned for that
firearm from the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 12092.
(b) In order for a firearm to be exempted under subdivision (a),
while being transported to or from a place, the firearm shall be
unloaded, kept in a locked container, as defined in subdivision (d),
and the course of travel shall include only those deviations between
authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the
circumstances.
(c) This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
carrying or transportation of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person in accordance with this
chapter.
(d) As used in this section, "locked container" means a secure
container which is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, keylock,
combination lock, or similar locking device. The term "locked
container" does not include the utility or glove compartment of a
motor vehicle.

Cpl. Haas
08-30-2007, 10:58 PM
So if I'm reading 626.9 (i) correctly, the college has to place notices at the entrances of the campus notifying people that firearms are prohibited in order for it to be illegal to carry an unloaded firearm in their vehicle. As mentioned in earlier posts, I guess students can still face disciplinary actions if they're enrolled at the school.

Is this correct, or am I completely off-base? :confused:

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 11:03 PM
UCLA Plinker, are you saying CCW holders cannot carry on campus? I surely hope not. The sections you quoted made it very clear.

(a) It shall be unlawful—
(q)(2)
(A) It shall be unlawful for any individual knowingly to possess a firearm that has moved in or that otherwise affects interstate or foreign commerce at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone.
(B) Subparagraph (A) does not apply to the possession of a firearm—
(i) on private property not part of school grounds;
(ii) if the individual possessing the firearm is licensed to do so by the State in which the school zone is located or a political subdivision of the State, and the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license;
(iii) that is—
(I) not loaded; and
(II) in a locked container, or a locked firearms rack that is on a motor vehicle;
(iv) by an individual for use in a program approved by a school in the school zone;
(v) by an individual in accordance with a contract entered into between a school in the school zone and the individual or an employer of the individual;
(vi) by a law enforcement officer acting in his or her official capacity; or
(vii) that is unloaded and is possessed by an individual while traversing school premises for the purpose of gaining access to public or private lands open to hunting, if the entry on school premises is authorized by school authorities.

aplinker
08-30-2007, 11:04 PM
So if I'm reading 626.9 (i) correctly, the college has to place notices at the entrances of the campus notifying people that firearms are prohibited in order for it to be illegal to carry an unloaded firearm in their vehicle. As mentioned in earlier posts, I guess students can still face disciplinary actions if they're enrolled at the school.

Is this correct, or am I completely off-base? :confused:
Except:
(k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
the proscribed conduct.

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 11:11 PM
In your state law citations.
626.9. (a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the
Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person
knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in
paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written
permission of the school district superintendent, his or her
designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as
specified in subdivision (f).
(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:
(1) Within a place of residence or place of business or on private
property, if the place of residence, place of business, or private
property is not part of the school grounds and the possession of the
firearm is otherwise lawful.
(2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
accordance with state law.
(3) When the person possessing the firearm reasonably believes
that he or she is in grave danger because of circumstances forming
the basis of a current restraining order issued by a court against
another person or persons who has or have been found to pose a threat
to his or her life or safety. This subdivision may not apply when
the circumstances involve a mutual restraining order issued pursuant
to Division 10 (commencing with Section 6200) of the Family Code
absent a factual finding of a specific threat to the person's life or
safety. Upon a trial for violating subdivision (b), the trier of a
fact shall determine whether the defendant was acting out of a
reasonable belief that he or she was in grave danger.
(4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against
carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e),
or (h) of Section 12027.
(d) Except as provided in subdivision (b), it shall be unlawful
for any person, with reckless disregard for the safety of another, to
discharge, or attempt to discharge, a firearm in a school zone, as
defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e).
The prohibition contained in this subdivision does not apply to
the discharge of a firearm to the extent that the conditions of
paragraph (1) of subdivision (c) are satisfied.
(e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall
apply:
(1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the
grounds of the public or private school.
(2) "Firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given in
Section 12001.
(3) "Locked container" has the same meaning as that term is given
in subdivision (c) of Section 12026.1.
(4) "Concealed firearm" has the same meaning as that term is given
in Sections 12025 and 12026.1.
(f) (1) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
firearm in, or on the grounds of, a public or private school
providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1 to 12, inclusive,
shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three,
or five years.
(2) Any person who violates subdivision (b) by possessing a
firearm within a distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a public
or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
to 12, inclusive, shall be punished as follows:
(A) By imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five
years, if any of the following circumstances apply:
(i) If the person previously has been convicted of any felony, or
of any crime made punishable by Chapter 1 (commencing with Section
12000) of Title 2 of Part 4.
(ii) If the person is within a class of persons prohibited from
possessing or acquiring a firearm pursuant to Section 12021 or
12021.1 of this code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and
Institutions Code.
(iii) If the firearm is any pistol, revolver, or other firearm
capable of being concealed upon the person and the offense is
punished as a felony pursuant to Section 12025.
(B) By imprisonment in a county jail for not more than one year or
by imprisonment in the state prison for two, three, or five years,
in all cases other than those specified in subparagraph (A).
(3) Any person who violates subdivision (d) shall be punished by
imprisonment in the state prison for three, five, or seven years.

***section removed to fit post in limit****

(h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or
buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research,
or administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be
loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of
a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or
attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited
to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the
firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when
it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in
the barrel or cylinder.
(k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
the proscribed conduct.
(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.
(m) This section does not apply to a security guard authorized to
carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Section 12031.
(n) This section does not apply to an existing shooting range at
a public or private school or university or college campus.
(o) This section does not apply to an honorably retired peace
officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm pursuant to
subdivision (a) or (i) of Section 12027 or paragraph (1) or (8) of
subdivision (b) of Section 12031.

tenpercentfirearms
08-30-2007, 11:13 PM
Surely UCLA Plinker you are not disgracing our alma matter by claiming that CCW is not allowed on campus when it is clear in your own citations that a CCW is indeed exempt from such limitations and may lawfully carried on campus.

I will state it again, if you have a CCW, carry away. If you don't have a CCW, then read the rules above very carfully.

CalNRA
08-30-2007, 11:16 PM
ucpd don't know shiot.tell them to get there penal code book out of there car and read it.i know of one guy who challenged a college cop on the law and the cop read it and said he would arrest him if he was caught with a gun.oh by the way my friend has a ccw as well and is in his 40s


they told me my 3.7 inch folding Emerson is a fixed blade knife because it has a lock, so they will arrest me for a felony, and let he DA throw me to the dogs(Bay area jury) after I get kicked out of school. I presented the printout of the penal code and the supervisor said they set the policy and they enforce it. Hmm, underground regulation perhaps? I really should have recorded the conversation.

After that I found religion. I figure in my years in a school located in a city between Oakland and Richmond only the Lord can protect me at this point. The UCPD are usually busy sipping coffee at Strata and look important in front of the foreign chicks from I-House.

-aK-
08-30-2007, 11:42 PM
Ca law does not require regular long guns to be locked up near schools (near, not on, 1-12 grade school grounds,) but fed law does require all firearms to be locked up to be legal??????

If I do not have a ccw...

artherd
08-31-2007, 12:15 AM
If you're not a student, then the conduct code does not apply, but the campus police will arrest you anyway if they know, then have fun hiring/paying for an attorney and geting your gun back! :mad:

Oh I'd have a ton of fun, I'd be calling the CHP on the sopt directing them to arrest the campus PD officers!

aplinker
08-31-2007, 12:40 AM
Surely UCLA Plinker you are not disgracing our alma matter by claiming that CCW is not allowed on campus when it is clear in your own citations that a CCW is indeed exempt from such limitations and may lawfully carried on campus.

I will state it again, if you have a CCW, carry away. If you don't have a CCW, then read the rules above very carfully.

First off, I wasn't really trying to say anything, but to cite the law and pull out the relevant parts! This isn't my expertise, unless literacy counts.

I've been in this stuff for the past 6 hours, going over everything again and again. CCW wasn't my focus, for obvious reasons. :p

All I can say is :online2long:

You're absolutely right about CCW. I'll edit my post to match. I didn't see yours when I posted again or I'd have edited it sooner.

tenpercentfirearms
08-31-2007, 5:07 AM
First off, I wasn't really trying to say anything, but to cite the law and pull out the relevant parts! This isn't my expertise, unless literacy counts.

I've been in this stuff for the past 6 hours, going over everything again and again. CCW wasn't my focus, for obvious reasons. :p

All I can say is :online2long:

You're absolutely right about CCW. I'll edit my post to match. I didn't see yours when I posted again or I'd have edited it sooner.

It is all good. Your post made me double check and re-read everything again, so it was good for me! :D

emc002
08-31-2007, 7:56 AM
Quit fear mongering.

It's not fear mongering, sadly it's the state of the UC Regents today.

See the following links... You've been out of the UC system too long (count your lucky stars too!)

E.g. U.C. Irvine "Written authorization to possess a firearm on campus must be obtained through the UCI Police Department."
http://www.police.uci.edu/safety/docs/weapons_prohibited.pdf

E.g. U.C. Los Angeles (Your alma mater) "Written authorization to possess a firearm on campus must be obtained through the UCLA Police Department."
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf/weapon.pdf

E.g. U.C. Davis "No weapons on campus State law and University policy prohibit the possession or use of weapons on University property. It is a felony punishable by up to four years in prison to possess any firearm on University property, whether in a book bag, in the car, or in an office, classroom, or apartment. Possessing a concealed weapon or automatic weapons of any kind is illegal, whether on campus or in the community. Campus policies prohibit bringing on campus weapons such as knives with blades longer than 2 1/2 inches, switchblades, dirks, daggers, stun guns, BB-gun, air guns, metal knuckles, nun chaku, etc."
http://police.ucdavis.edu/clerycompliance.htm

E.g. U.C. Santa Cruz conduct code "102.20 Possession, use, or manufacture of a firearm or other weapon as prohibited by campus regulations;"
http://www2.ucsc.edu/judicial/handbook06-07/handbook_06.pdf

E.g. U.C. San Francisco "No person shall possess or have control of any firearm, deadly weapon, or prohibited knife, as legally defined, while on the property of the University of California, San Francisco, except as required in the lawful course of business or as authorized by the UCSF Police Department."
http://ucsfhr.ucsf.edu/index.php/pubs/hrguidearticle/appendix-d-dealing-with-threatening-or-potentially-violent-behavior/

Fear mongering... Probably not as the UCPD will enforce their campus policies first, CA law second.

CSDGuy
08-31-2007, 9:37 AM
Yep... lots of fearmongering... my comments below.

It's not fear mongering, sadly it's the state of the UC Regents today.

See the following links... You've been out of the UC system too long (count your lucky stars too!)

E.g. U.C. Irvine "Written authorization to possess a firearm on campus must be obtained through the UCI Police Department."
http://www.police.uci.edu/safety/docs/weapons_prohibited.pdf

E.g. U.C. Los Angeles (Your alma mater) "Written authorization to possess a firearm on campus must be obtained through the UCLA Police Department."
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/zippdf/weapon.pdf

E.g. U.C. Davis "No weapons on campus State law and University policy prohibit the possession or use of weapons on University property. It is a felony punishable by up to four years in prison to possess any firearm on University property, whether in a book bag, in the car, or in an office, classroom, or apartment. Possessing a concealed weapon or automatic weapons of any kind is illegal, whether on campus or in the community. Campus policies prohibit bringing on campus weapons such as knives with blades longer than 2 1/2 inches, switchblades, dirks, daggers, stun guns, BB-gun, air guns, metal knuckles, nun chaku, etc."
http://police.ucdavis.edu/clerycompliance.htm

E.g. U.C. Santa Cruz conduct code "102.20 Possession, use, or manufacture of a firearm or other weapon as prohibited by campus regulations;"
http://www2.ucsc.edu/judicial/handbook06-07/handbook_06.pdf

E.g. U.C. San Francisco "No person shall possess or have control of any firearm, deadly weapon, or prohibited knife, as legally defined, while on the property of the University of California, San Francisco, except as required in the lawful course of business or as authorized by the UCSF Police Department."
http://ucsfhr.ucsf.edu/index.php/pubs/hrguidearticle/appendix-d-dealing-with-threatening-or-potentially-violent-behavior/

Fear mongering... Probably not as the UCPD will enforce their campus policies first, CA law second.

UC Davis's anti-weapons policy attempts to make it look like their policies, if violated, brings a Felony charge. I'm not all that surprised.

UCI's pdf highlights part of the GFSZ, not the part where a CCW is an exemption to the GFSZ...

UCLA's pdf is almost word for word, if not exactly, a mirror of UCI's policy.

UCSC's policy handbook says a lot about weapons... but also says "where expressly permitted by law." The title of the handbook is: The Student Policies and Regulations Handbook. Hmm... go figure.

In just these examples, it is obvious that they want to make it seem like ALL weapons aren't allowed on campus. That is a laudable goal, except that criminals won't obey those regulations. They're also not giving all the information that makes it clear that even in the GFSZ Acts (Fed and State) that CCW with a CCW License is not illegal.

nhanson
08-31-2007, 9:52 AM
As far as carrying a gun in your trunk without a permit on school grounds, I don't know if that is legit and you need to research more. My initial guess is a big fat no. So just park off campus.

Legal yes........how strong policy of a school is I don't know. This info seems to be posted throughout the thread but not tied together so......

PC 629.9(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:

2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
accordance with state law.

(4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against
carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e),
or (h) of Section 12027.

PC 12027 E(3)
(j) The carrying of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person by a person who is authorized to
carry that weapon in a concealed manner pursuant to Article 3
(commencing with Section 12050).

We should all know what 12050 is.....maybe Sheriff Baca doesn't.

Enjoy

ldivinag
08-31-2007, 1:01 PM
at cal state hayward...er cal state eastbay, where i work, i found this:

Weapons on Campus

The unapproved possession, use, or sale of firearms, ammunition, fireworks, major or minor explosives, or any lethal weapon is forbidden and subject to criminal sanctions, as well as University discipline.

http://wwwsa.csueastbay.edu/~dpsweb/campussecurity.shtml

scroll about 2/5ths down...


for students:

41301 Standards for Student Conduct


(a) Student Responsibilities
Students are expected to be good citizens and to engage in responsible behaviors that reflect well upon their university, to be civil to one another and to others in the campus community, and contribute positively to student and university life.

(b) Unacceptable Student Behaviors
The following behavior is subject to disciplinary sanctions:

(13) Possession or misuse of firearms or guns, replicas, ammunition, explosives, fireworks, knives, other weapons, or dangerous chemicals (without the prior authorization of the campus president) on campus or at a university related activity.

http://www.csueastbay.edu/ecat/20072008/a-040apndx.html

metalhead357
08-31-2007, 4:50 PM
Try doing that even with a receiver-less build nowadays. You could probably win in court after you're done picking the asphalt out of your teeth :eek:


And hence one mopre example of why we need clarification of EXISTING laws rather than new addtional ones;)

And CW.......... CCW IS still good at a private school too; back to the argument of a business *not* allowing CCW...they can post it....doesnt mean JACK; best they can do is ask you to leave the grounds if caught. I'd be more worried for the dude on HOW he got caught as THAT would probably be charge of brandishing; and "printing" while not encouraged AINT illegal.

aplinker
08-31-2007, 8:02 PM
Depends on the type of school, you missed this part.

(i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.

Legal yes........how strong policy of a school is I don't know. This info seems to be posted throughout the thread but not tied together so......

PC 629.9(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm
under any of the following circumstances:

2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other
firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked
container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle.
This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful
transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver,
or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in
accordance with state law.

(4) When the person is exempt from the prohibition against
carrying a concealed firearm pursuant to subdivision (b), (d), (e),
or (h) of Section 12027.

PC 12027 E(3)
(j) The carrying of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable
of being concealed upon the person by a person who is authorized to
carry that weapon in a concealed manner pursuant to Article 3
(commencing with Section 12050).

We should all know what 12050 is.....maybe Sheriff Baca doesn't.

Enjoy

CSDGuy
08-31-2007, 8:28 PM
Just for everyone's amusement as to what 626.9 (i) refers to:

PC 12026 in it's entirety...
12026. (a) Section 12025 shall not apply to or affect any citizen
of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who
resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within
the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this
code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code,
who carries, either openly or concealed, anywhere within the citizen'
s or legal resident's place of residence, place of business, or on
private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal
resident any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.
(b) No permit or license to purchase, own, possess, keep, or
carry, either openly or concealed, shall be required of any citizen
of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who
resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within
the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this
code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code, to
purchase, own, possess, keep, or carry, either openly or concealed,
a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon
the person within the citizen's or legal resident's place of
residence, place of business, or on private property owned or
lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal resident.
(c) Nothing in this section shall be construed as affecting the
application of Section 12031.

tenpercentfirearms
08-31-2007, 10:17 PM
Again, I am exempt from all of the school policies by my CCW. Carry away and I am more than ready to put up a defense should they illegally confiscate my lawfully carried pistol. I know my rights and will exercise them.

aplinker
08-31-2007, 10:25 PM
Quit flaunting your elite status. :p

Again, I am exempt from all of the school policies by my CCW. Carry away and I am more than ready to put up a defense should they illegally confiscate my lawfully carried pistol. I know my rights and will exercise them.

nhanson
08-31-2007, 10:39 PM
Quit flaunting your elite status. :p

No elite status.....just lives in one of the right counties in the southern part of CA. Move to them or go to the north eastern counties. If your in LA, you have my sympathy! I avoid LA as much as possible. My plane is registered in Kern and I keep a commuting tie down in Long Beach so, LA has been trying to tax me on my Kern county property as well as demanding my personal lease contracts and information. I told them to shove it and called all the county supervisors in both counties and my legislators......Guess what, they did not pull their S@#* again this year. Need I say more about LA county?

I also enjoy the freedom of Kern county and CCW.

Enjoy!

ccwguy
08-31-2007, 11:49 PM
Again.... abridged from CFL 2007


It is unlawful for any person to possess or bring a firearm upon the grounds of, into, or within a
distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades
1 to 12, inclusive, or a campus of the University of California, California State University, or
California community colleges. (Penal Code § 626.9.)

Exceptions
• A person who has the written permission of the school district superintendent, designee,
or equivalent school authority.
• Within a place of residence or place of business or on private property, if the place
of residence, place of business, or private property is not part of the school grounds
and the possession of the firearm is otherwise lawful.
• If the firearm is an unloaded handgun in a locked container or within the locked
trunk of a motor vehicle, or the otherwise lawful transportation of an unloaded long
gun.
• The possession or transportation of firearms by a person who is engaged in the
business of manufacturing, importing, wholesaling, repairing, or dealing in firearms
and who is licensed to engage in that business or the authorized representative or
authorized agent of that person while engaged in the lawful course of business.
• Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other financial institutions
while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of
money, treasure, etc.
• Transportation of unloaded firearms by a person operating a licensed common
carrier or an authorized agent or employee thereof when transported in conformance
with applicable federal law.
• The carrying of unloaded handguns by duly authorized military or civil organizations
while parading or the members thereof when going to and from the places of meeting of
their respective organizations.
• Any peace officer pursuant to Penal Code section 830 who is carrying out official
duties.
• Any person summoned by such peace officer to assist in making an arrest or preserving
the peace while actually so engaged.
• Members of federal or state military forces while engaged in performance of duty.
• Any person authorized to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Penal Code section12050.
• An armored vehicle guard while engaged in performance of duty pursuant to Business
and Professions Code section 7521.
• A security guard authorized to carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12030.
• An existing shooting range at a public or private school or university or college
campus.
• An honorably retired peace officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm.

vorpar
09-01-2007, 1:13 AM
Sorry if this was mentioned already, but ammo is illegal to have on public school grounds as well. I started substituting, and fortunately looked up the law beforehand. Now if only the kids around here would stop carrying weapons....

aplinker
09-01-2007, 1:16 AM
That's a bit misleading, as I do not see an exception for "locked and unloaded" on college campuses. If you see it, please point it out to me.

Again.... abridged from CFL 2007


It is unlawful for any person to possess or bring a firearm upon the grounds of, into, or within a
distance of 1,000 feet from the grounds of a school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades
1 to 12, inclusive, or a campus of the University of California, California State University, or
California community colleges. (Penal Code § 626.9.)

Exceptions
• A person who has the written permission of the school district superintendent, designee,
or equivalent school authority.
• Within a place of residence or place of business or on private property, if the place
of residence, place of business, or private property is not part of the school grounds
and the possession of the firearm is otherwise lawful.
• If the firearm is an unloaded handgun in a locked container or within the locked
trunk of a motor vehicle, or the otherwise lawful transportation of an unloaded long
gun.
• The possession or transportation of firearms by a person who is engaged in the
business of manufacturing, importing, wholesaling, repairing, or dealing in firearms
and who is licensed to engage in that business or the authorized representative or
authorized agent of that person while engaged in the lawful course of business.
• Guards or messengers of common carriers, banks, and other financial institutions
while actually employed in and about the shipment, transportation, or delivery of
money, treasure, etc.
• Transportation of unloaded firearms by a person operating a licensed common
carrier or an authorized agent or employee thereof when transported in conformance
with applicable federal law.
• The carrying of unloaded handguns by duly authorized military or civil organizations
while parading or the members thereof when going to and from the places of meeting of
their respective organizations.
• Any peace officer pursuant to Penal Code section 830 who is carrying out official
duties.
• Any person summoned by such peace officer to assist in making an arrest or preserving
the peace while actually so engaged.
• Members of federal or state military forces while engaged in performance of duty.
• Any person authorized to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to Penal Code section12050.
• An armored vehicle guard while engaged in performance of duty pursuant to Business
and Professions Code section 7521.
• A security guard authorized to carry a loaded firearm pursuant to Penal Code section 12030.
• An existing shooting range at a public or private school or university or college
campus.
• An honorably retired peace officer authorized to carry a concealed or loaded firearm.

aplinker
09-01-2007, 1:21 AM
Since we all love laws... the "no person shall carry" might be important, though... Interesting that there are exceptions for hunting with firearms, but you're screwed if you're carrying the ammunition to go with it!

12316.(c) Unless it is with the written permission of the school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority, no person shall carry ammunition or reloaded ammunition onto school grounds, except sworn law enforcement officers acting within the scope of their duties or persons exempted under subparagraph (A) of paragraph (1) of subdivision (a) of Section 12027. This subdivision shall not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making an arrest or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code. A violation of this subdivision is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not to exceed six months, a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or both the imprisonment and fine.

Sorry if this was mentioned already, but ammo is illegal to have on public school grounds as well. I started substituting, and fortunately looked up the law beforehand. Now if only the kids around here would stop carrying weapons....

Librarian
09-01-2007, 10:46 AM
That's a bit misleading, as I do not see an exception for "locked and unloaded" on college campuses. If you see it, please point it out to me.Third bullet down • If the firearm is an unloaded handgun in a locked container or within the locked
trunk of a motor vehicle, or the otherwise lawful transportation of an unloaded long
gun.Not a good idea to carry around campus, and if you are a student or employee there may be repercussions, but you shouldn't get arrested. As this this thread has mentioned, university PD appear sometimes clueless.

aplinker
09-01-2007, 11:38 AM
His quote is a summary of the law, not the actual law. I posted the whole thing. Go back and read the law, there are no exceptions on college campuses, save being LEO or having a CCW, etc... I'd be thrilled if I were wrong.

Third bullet down Not a good idea to carry around campus, and if you are a student or employee there may be repercussions, but you shouldn't get arrested. As this this thread has mentioned, university PD appear sometimes clueless.

ccwguy
09-01-2007, 12:19 PM
His quote is a summary of the law, not the actual law. I posted the whole thing. Go back and read the law, there are no exceptions on college campuses, save being LEO or having a CCW, etc... I'd be thrilled if I were wrong.

Read it again. PC 12050 relates to CCW. CCW is exempt on school grounds. You may be 'trespassing' by carrying, that's it.

ccwguy
09-01-2007, 12:25 PM
Maybe read all this document......http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2007.pdf


It WILL clarify pc12050 with exceptions and ammendments. You should read from the beginning to the end, not just tid-bits. I give a copy of this to ALL my CCW students as accurate reference. Save and print for yourselves.

Librarian
09-01-2007, 2:01 PM
His quote is a summary of the law, not the actual law. I posted the whole thing. Go back and read the law, there are no exceptions on college campuses, save being LEO or having a CCW, etc... I'd be thrilled if I were wrong.

My mistake. You're right, as far as I can tell. 626.9 (b) applies to K-12, not colleges: (e) As used in this section, the following definitions shall
apply:
(1) "School zone" means an area in, or on the grounds of, a public
or private school providing instruction in kindergarten or grades 1
to 12, inclusive, or within a distance of 1,000 feet from the
grounds of the public or private school. 626.9 (i) simply says "no" for the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college

aplinker
09-01-2007, 7:40 PM
Huh? I'm not disagreeing with that and I have read the whole thing. I said you can't have them on school campus, unless you're one of the PEOPLE with an exception -- as opposed to having a technique (locked and stowed).

We already covered that way ^^^ ! Keep up! :p

Read it again. PC 12050 relates to CCW. CCW is exempt on school grounds. You may be 'trespassing' by carrying, that's it.


Sucks, don't it... I WISH I read it wrong!

My mistake. You're right, as far as I can tell. 626.9 (b) applies to K-12, not colleges:626.9 (i) simply says "no" for

Cola King Martini
09-01-2007, 8:00 PM
From PC 626.9

h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or
buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research,
or administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be
loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of
a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or
attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited
to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the
firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when
it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in
the barrel or cylinder.
(k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
the proscribed conduct.
(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.

aplinker
09-01-2007, 8:26 PM
Uh... yeah... What are you saying that's new?

We covered this already... about 12 posts ago. See tenpercentfirearms highlighting of your exact sections here (click blue arrow):

In your state law citations.

This thread isn't really about CCWs, btw. Many of us don't have them as we live in restrictive counties. The OP obviously doesn't...

From PC 626.9

h) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a loaded firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or
buildings owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research,
or administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
two, three, or four years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(i) Notwithstanding Section 12026, any person who brings or
possesses a firearm upon the grounds of a campus of, or buildings
owned or operated for student housing, teaching, research, or
administration by, a public or private university or college, that
are contiguous or are clearly marked university property, unless it
is with the written permission of the university or college
president, his or her designee, or equivalent university or college
authority, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for
one, two, or three years. Notwithstanding subdivision (k), a
university or college shall post a prominent notice at primary
entrances on noncontiguous property stating that firearms are
prohibited on that property pursuant to this subdivision.
(j) For purposes of this section, a firearm shall be deemed to be
loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge or shell, consisting of
a case that holds a charge of powder and a bullet or shot, in, or
attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited
to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the
firearm. A muzzle-loader firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when
it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in
the barrel or cylinder.
(k) This section does not require that notice be posted regarding
the proscribed conduct.
(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer
as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of
Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the
federal government who is carrying out official duties while in
California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in
making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually
engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of
this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance
of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the
firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of
Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged
in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision
(e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.

ccwguy
09-01-2007, 8:28 PM
Uh... yeah... What are you saying?

We covered this already... about 12 posts ago. See tenpercentfirearms highlighting of your exact sections here:


He may be confused as I was for a while there, recent count is 3 similar threads going on very similar material.

aplinker
09-01-2007, 8:38 PM
Understandable... This thread got off onto CCWs...

To summarize, for the general population:

Don't go anywhere on or through college/uni campuses unless you have a personal exemption (locking and stowing won't help you).

You can drive through K-12 "school zones" if it's locked/stowed. Persnonal exemptions here count, as well.

By personal exemptions I mean LEO, CCW and/or letter from the school.

Appears that a person carrying ammunition is a crime, too, without a personal exemption. I, personally, am confused about the wording here and uncertain whether stowed in a car would be kosher. "person carrying" seems specific to on your person. Anyone aware or have clarification?


He may be confused as I was for a while there, recent count is 3 similar threads going on very similar material.