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Yehosha
01-10-2013, 10:37 PM
For full details on storage of the items go here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/foods-that-never-expire_n_1612472.html). Here's the list:

1. Hard Liquor
2. Rice
3. Sugar
4. Cornstarch
5. Honey
6. Distilled White Vinegar
7. Pure Vanilla Extract
8. Salt

I've also read that dried beans and pasta never expire either, just lose flavor and become harder to cook, but those weren't mentioned in the article.

What are your thoughts on with those foods?

Rucku5
01-10-2013, 10:52 PM
Salt isn't food its a mineral :)

BlueCrash
01-10-2013, 10:58 PM
on rice. i was told that (from testing of 5year old government reserve) they lose nutrition and flavor but this was stored in warehouse in bags, not sure if storing them in nitrogen fill or oxygen less container will remedy that or not.

Saym14
01-10-2013, 11:05 PM
most canned foods will last 50 years. that will outlast me.

ExAcHog
01-10-2013, 11:29 PM
on rice. i was told that (from testing of 5year old government reserve) they lose nutrition and flavor but this was stored in warehouse in bags, not sure if storing them in nitrogen fill or oxygen less container will remedy that or not.

I have read that archaeologists have found rice that was sealed in clay potts that still held some nutritional value after a 1000 YEARS OR MORE! Serioulsy....check it out online.

cdtx2001
01-11-2013, 5:37 AM
Peanut butter seems to last a long time.

KevinB
01-11-2013, 5:44 AM
Canned rice and beans will still be good at 30 + years. We have used canned oats from our pantry that was 16 years old and it was fine.

Most canned goods will last longer than you. Cool dry storage is the key.

kalaca
01-11-2013, 5:55 AM
Mc Donald's!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/18/article-1258913-08C69B97000005DC-37_968x528.jpg

LCU1670
01-11-2013, 6:08 AM
My wife and I were talking about this. What to store that doesnt break the bank and can be lazy on rotating it, we thought: rice, oatmeal, beans, pasta. However, need water.

LCU1670
01-11-2013, 6:12 AM
Ps, bought a solar powered "generator" storage device at Costco yesterday for $699. Will try it out today. Works at steady 1500 watts. Will expand it with some solar collectors from harbor freight. So solar day, gas generator night. If needed.

Insight.556
01-11-2013, 6:31 AM
I think historically, rice is one of the more robust foods in terms of holding up well to storage (both warehousing, and during long distance trips). In fact, if it is stored in a cool, dry place it (rice) can be stored indefinitely.

Like ExAcHog mentioned, there are many incidents where viable rice had been discovered stored at archaeological sites that are literally 1,000s of years old. The key word is DRY. Trapped moisture while storing, will not only spoil the rice, but welcome to a funky smell like no other. (From first hand experience) :ack2: :ack2: :ack2:

buffalkill
01-11-2013, 6:46 AM
Have you ever tried making anything out of: Hard Liquor, Rice, Sugar, Cornstarch, Honey, Distilled White Vinegar, Pure Vanilla Extract, and Salt ;) sounds like a science experiment.

RookieShooter
01-11-2013, 6:55 AM
"So feel free to cook up that bag of rice you found lodged behind your kitchen cabinet (with a purchase date of 1982), it's just as good for you as the day you bought it." (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/foods-that-never-expire_n_1612472.html)

Apparently, the author of this article doesn't eat enough rice in his lifetime therefore he can't tell the difference.

Insight.556
01-11-2013, 7:33 AM
Just because something is edible, or has nutrional value does NOT mean it is tasty, or enjoyable in anyway... Right? If it were a situation in which there was little, to no food and the outlook for finding more was not good than it is most definitely better than nothing.

However, if it was just another Tuesday night, with a fridge full of food I can't really see myself going right for the 30(+) year old bag of rice I found way back in the pantry for dinner.

delta9
01-11-2013, 11:23 AM
My shooting rests are filled with rice and are part of my SHTF food reserves

The Geologist
01-11-2013, 1:52 PM
For full details on storage of the items go here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/foods-that-never-expire_n_1612472.html). Here's the list:

1. Hard Liquor
2. Rice
3. Sugar
4. Cornstarch
5. Honey
6. Distilled White Vinegar
7. Pure Vanilla Extract
8. Salt

I've also read that dried beans and pasta never expire either, just lose flavor and become harder to cook, but those weren't mentioned in the article.

What are your thoughts on with those foods?
Forgot Twinkies

The Geologist
01-11-2013, 1:54 PM
Have you ever tried making anything out of: Hard Liquor, Rice, Sugar, Cornstarch, Honey, Distilled White Vinegar, Pure Vanilla Extract, and Salt ;) sounds like a science experiment.

Leave out the vinegar and you might have the makings for rum balls

dunndeal
01-11-2013, 2:12 PM
I home can a lot of salmon and albacore tuna, I rotate the stock every year but always have at least 50 pints on hand.

Vacuum packed whole grains wil last for years too.

Cali-Glock
01-11-2013, 6:24 PM
Rice works great long term. Yes, ten year old rice (stored in original plastic bags only) does not cook quite as well as brand new rice, but there is not much of a difference.

olhunter
01-11-2013, 6:42 PM
Just opened a jar of Planters Dry Roasted Peanuts we put in a lost kit after the 94 earthquake. Fresh n Tasty. They 'vacuum packed' them back then, so that's probably the key. No oxygen. Don't know if they're still vacuum packed.

Sheepdog1968
01-11-2013, 7:12 PM
Unground wheat will last 30 plus years. Rawles in some of his books talks about this,stuff.

Saym14
01-11-2013, 8:51 PM
Not around my house :(

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saym14
01-11-2013, 8:56 PM
Not around my house :(

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saym14
01-11-2013, 8:57 PM
Not around my house :(

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RCJeeper
01-12-2013, 9:29 AM
most canned foods will last 50 years. that will outlast me.

Is this really true? Why do all cans have expiration dates, and some much longer than others?

CSACANNONEER
01-12-2013, 9:35 AM
I wish I had been smart enough to stockpile 5000 boxes of twinkies 10 years ago.

delta9
01-12-2013, 9:40 AM
Is this really true? Why do all cans have expiration dates, and some much longer than others?

Those are not "expiration" dates - they are "use by" dates which are manufacturer suggestions for peak quality. Foods used after those dates might loose taste or change texture but they wont go "bad"

Modern canned foods, when packaged correctly, are sterile and as long as the container remains sealed and not subject to extreme temperature, should pretty much last forever

Datdarkness
01-12-2013, 9:47 AM
I wish I had been smart enough to stockpile 5000 boxes of twinkies 10 years ago.

if only :/ haha

delta9
01-12-2013, 9:48 AM
I wish I had been smart enough to stockpile 5000 boxes of twinkies 10 years ago.

It's an urban legend that Twinkies have an extended shelf life. Because they have dairy products as ingredients they are actually only good for 25 days

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

Socalman
01-12-2013, 2:16 PM
Peanut butter seems to last a long time.

I would disagree with you on that. Though not a scientific study by any means, we have a place in the Big Bear area. It does not get too hot in the summer and during the winter never gets below 58 inside. I had some p-nut butter that had not been opened but was about 13 months past the expiration date. Tried and it had a very stale taste. I am sure it is due to the oil going rancid. It may not be bad for you, but it did not taste at all decent.

Socalman
01-12-2013, 2:17 PM
Have you ever tried making anything out of: Hard Liquor, Rice, Sugar, Cornstarch, Honey, Distilled White Vinegar, Pure Vanilla Extract, and Salt ;) sounds like a science experiment.

Sounds like an episode of "Chopped" from the Food Network.

Joewy
01-12-2013, 4:11 PM
Rice does go bad. And honey oxidizes if you are not carful into a rock.

BonnieB
01-12-2013, 4:29 PM
Honey that has crystallized can easily be re-hydrated by placing the jar in a pot, in one inch of water, over low heat. (A glass jar, not the plastic bears...)

Honey is naturally antibacterial, btw, which is why it lasts forever if airtight. And it can be used on cuts etc, if all else fails.

billofrights
01-12-2013, 5:12 PM
Forgot Twinkies

Twinkies are, most definitely, not "food."

Steve_In_29
01-12-2013, 7:18 PM
Is this really true? Why do all cans have expiration dates, and some much longer than others?I saw something where a rep from Spam stated they only printed expiration dates on it so people could rotate stocks. IIRC they opened up a 15 yo can and it was still perfectly good.

sunborder
01-13-2013, 7:37 AM
My shooting rests are filled with rice and are part of my SHTF food reserves

I hope you are joking. The lead residue from primers and bullet bases probably finds its way through the fabric into your rice. I suppose in an end-of-the-world scenario it might be worth it to eat that and risk lead poisoning, but otherwise, no.

Rice works great long term. Yes, ten year old rice (stored in original plastic bags only) does not cook quite as well as brand new rice, but there is not much of a difference.

Pretty much any Asian person would disagree with you. My wife complains that the rice we buy here in the states tastes "old." When I lived in Japan, there was a big thing about rice being "new crop." Is it EDIBLE after 10+ years? Sure. Will most Americans care? Probably not. Is there "much of a difference?" Actually, yes. Also, brown rice does NOT store well.

KevinB
01-13-2013, 8:12 AM
Proper storage is the key of any food. Cool and dry is the key. We store all our long term food stuffs in cans and oxygen absorbers. Quality and taste is still good at 10 years when we have checked.

Fresh is always going to be better, but that will not be possible if things go south.

Ask a starving person if they care if their rice- beans are fresh.

ElDub1950
01-13-2013, 8:31 AM
When talking about canned food, there's a big difference between factory made food in metal cans and home-canned food.

Most factory canned food does not have a very long shelf life .. often only a year or two. A few are very good with a 10+ year shelf life.

Properly home canned food can be much more stable. Also, if you home can food and include lots of extra liquid, that can go a long way to satisfy your daily water needs. Remember, having a 10 year supply of rice and beans is useless if you only have 10 cases of bottled water. Especially here in CA where the majority of people have no access to a natural water source.

KevinB
01-13-2013, 8:48 AM
Eldub, not true, not even close. Please name me one commercially canned food that goes bad in 2 years or less.

I would go so far to say that home canning poses a greater risk to spoilage than commercially canned food. People take too many shortcuts and quality control along with proper sanitation.

Don't confuse the best use by freshness date with the food going bad.

ZombieZoo
01-13-2013, 8:54 AM
Wine has been found drinkable from Greek wrecks.

Even if it turns to vinegar it isn't a total loss.

ElDub1950
01-13-2013, 9:36 AM
Eldub, not true, not even close. Please name me one commercially canned food that goes bad in 2 years or less.

I would go so far to say that home canning poses a greater risk to spoilage than commercially canned food. People take too many shortcuts and quality control along with proper sanitation.

Don't confuse the best use by freshness date with the food going bad.

Well, when I went back through my list, the items I was thinking about, some canned hams and some canned seafood actually were classified as 'semi-perishable'. So, yes, I'll agree with you for now. But will continue checking.

Decoligny
01-13-2013, 10:12 AM
For full details on storage of the items go here (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/21/foods-that-never-expire_n_1612472.html). Here's the list:

1. Hard Liquor
2. Rice
3. Sugar
4. Cornstarch
5. Honey
6. Distilled White Vinegar
7. Pure Vanilla Extract
8. Salt

I've also read that dried beans and pasta never expire either, just lose flavor and become harder to cook, but those weren't mentioned in the article.

What are your thoughts on with those foods?

Hard Liquor is not considered "food". While it has some caloric value from the sugars used in the initial fermentation,it doesn't have much in the way of vitamins, protien, fats etc.

Vanilla extract is simply another form of hard liquor. It is alcohol in which vanilla beans have been soaked and the alcohol takes up vanilla "flavor".

Distilled White Vinegar is more useful as an additive for pickling, a flavoring, or as a cleaning or medical supply than it as a food on it's own.

sunborder
01-13-2013, 10:16 AM
Properly home canned food can be much more stable. Also, if you home can food and include lots of extra liquid, that can go a long way to satisfy your daily water needs. Remember, having a 10 year supply of rice and beans is useless if you only have 10 cases of bottled water. Especially here in CA where the majority of people have no access to a natural water source.

If you have burned through your 10 cases of bottled water, you are likely to have more immediate problems than food: Rioting, unstoppable fires, etc... 10 years without water in Socal? I don't think that a few extra jars of "canned food" liquid is going to make that much of a difference over a 10-year period.

350skylark
01-13-2013, 10:27 AM
ive heard that mayonnaise has enough preservatives in it that until its opened it will never expire.. not sure how true it is but kinda gross really

delta9
01-13-2013, 10:33 AM
past the expiration date. Tried and it had a very stale taste. I am sure it is due to the oil going rancid. It may not be bad for you, but it did not taste at all decent.


Peanut butter seems to have a shelf life of about 2 years but the best solution so you never have to worry about it going bad is to just eat the whole jar in one sitting

delta9
01-13-2013, 10:41 AM
I hope you are joking. The lead residue from primers and bullet bases probably finds its way through the fabric into your rice. I suppose in an end-of-the-world scenario it might be worth it to eat that and risk lead poisoning, but otherwise, no.


Yikes! That's a very good point and something I didn't think of.

Eldraque
01-13-2013, 10:44 AM
problem with rice and pasta is no protein

oddball
01-13-2013, 11:27 AM
Freeze-dried instant coffee properly vacuum sealed in it's original jar can last decades. I read of an account of a guy who found a jar that was over 20 years old and he claimed it tasted like new. Years ago, my mother-in-law made me a cup of instant coffee (she had no other coffee in the house), and it tasted like typical instant. But I later found out that the jar she used has been opened for over 5 years. Being a non-coffee drinker, she just had it around for guests.

KevinB
01-13-2013, 4:01 PM
Eldraque, once again please look up your sources before you post BS. Pasta and rice does in fact have good protein. Took 2 minutes to look it up from a nutritional web site.
The carbs in them make them a excellent food that your body turns to energy with little work.


Serving Size Protein Calories Calories from Protein Percent of Calories from Protein

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, enriched, cooked
100g 2.29 g 114.00 9.16 8.0%
1 cup 4.01 g 199.50 16.03 8.0%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, enriched, dry
100g 6.79 g 371.00 27.16 7.3%
1 cup 12.56 g 686.35 50.25 7.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, unenriched, cooked
100g 2.29 g 114.00 9.16 8.0%
1 cup 4.01 g 199.50 16.03 8.0%

Rice, white, long-grain, parboiled, unenriched, dry
100g 6.79 g 371.00 27.16 7.3%
1 cup 12.56 g 686.35 50.25 7.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, precooked or instant, enriched, dry
1 cup 7.28 g 360.05 29.11 8.1%
100g 7.66 g 379.00 30.64 8.1%

Rice, white, long-grain, precooked or instant, enriched, prepared
100g 2.06 g 98.00 8.24 8.4%
1 cup 3.40 g 161.70 13.60 8.4%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, enriched, with salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, with salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, cooked, unenriched, without salt
100g 2.69 g 130.00 10.76 8.3%
1 cup 4.25 g 205.40 17.00 8.3%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, enriched
100g 7.13 g 365.00 28.52 7.8%
1 cup 13.19 g 675.25 52.76 7.8%

Rice, white, long-grain, regular, raw, unenriched
100g 7.13 g 365.00 28.52 7.8%
1 cup 13.19 g 675.25 52.76 7.8%

Pasta, corn, dry
2 oz 4.25 g 203.49 17.01 8.4%
100g 7.46 g 357.00 29.84 8.4%
1 cup 7.83 g 374.85 31.33 8.4%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, plain, as purchased
100g 11.31 g 288.00 45.24 15.7%
4.5 oz 14.48 g 368.64 57.91 15.7%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, plain, cooked
2 oz 2.94 g 74.67 11.74 15.7%
100g 5.15 g 131.00 20.60 15.7%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, spinach, as purchased
100g 11.26 g 289.00 45.04 15.6%
4.5 oz 14.41 g 369.92 57.65 15.6%

Pasta, fresh-refrigerated, spinach, cooked
2 oz 2.88 g 74.10 11.54 15.6%
100g 5.06 g 130.00 20.24 15.6%

Pasta, homemade, made with egg, cooked
2 oz 2.99 g 74.10 11.95 16.1%
100g 5.24 g 130.00 20.97 16.1%

Pasta, homemade, made without egg, cooked
2 oz 2.44 g 70.68 9.75 13.8%
100g 4.27 g 124.00 17.10 13.8%

Rice, white, with pasta, cooked
100g 2.54 g 122.00 10.16 8.3%
1 cup 5.13 g 246.44 20.52 8.3%

Rice, white, with pasta, dry
100g 9.37 g 368.00 37.48 10.2%
1 cup 15.27 g 599.84 61.09 10.2%

LCU1670
01-14-2013, 9:12 AM
It's an urban legend that Twinkies have an extended shelf life. Because they have dairy products as ingredients they are actually only good for 25 days

http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/twinkies.asp

Wife put a box of twinkees in the cabinet, didn't tell me about it, and forgot it was there. I find it, open it up, thinking I am going to put the hurt on that box, already drooling, open it up, bags of black mold!!:facepalm:

packnrat
01-14-2013, 9:12 PM
ALL unprocessed grains/beans will last many generations if stored in a dry airless sealed metal container.

oxygen is the second biggest killer of such foods, water is the first. then comes heat.
storing in sub zero cond is best.

all of your caned goods will out live your kids kids. just as long as no rust or the cans are not swelling.
may not be all that tasty or many vitamins, left but will feed you.

all processed foods will go bust, (no more Twinkies). there i$ a built in de$ign for thi$ a$ the maker$ want you to buy more. $$$$


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sleepr66
01-15-2013, 8:57 PM
More "food for thought"; expiration dates are not always when the food will go bad. Food loses its nutrients over time. The "expiration date" is simply when the food will match its nutrition facts, not when it will go moldy or un-fit for human consumption.
Most canned food will last MUCH longer than their expiration date, but may not give you the nutrients as stated on the Nutritional Facts Label.
Look, Smell, Taste. When starving to death a can of chili that has 60% of the nutrients listed on its label is still.....canned chili.

Ferrum
01-15-2013, 10:10 PM
I've eaten several year old Ramen Noodles. Those things stay good a long time!

If all else fails, they are hard enough to start a foundation on a new structure!

YZINGERR
01-19-2013, 8:46 PM
Mc Donald's!
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/03/18/article-1258913-08C69B97000005DC-37_968x528.jpg

Lol, so true. Just like in "supersize me"

1GunLover
01-25-2013, 12:32 AM
Honey is good forever! They have uncovered many ancient Tombs across the world that had remains of honey and it was still good.

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/yuyat.htm

DavidR310
01-25-2013, 7:22 AM
Ps, bought a solar powered "generator" storage device at Costco yesterday for $699. Will try it out today. Works at steady 1500 watts. Will expand it with some solar collectors from harbor freight. So solar day, gas generator night. If needed.

Nope. Switch it around. Use the solar powered generator during the day to charge batteries to be able to run silent at night.

Use the generator during the day. Sounds travels farther at night.

Haplo
02-07-2013, 6:13 PM
How about dates? I think some were found in an Egyptian tomb after a 2000 years and they were still somewhat together, but certainly not edible.