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Donkeypunch0420
01-09-2013, 1:16 PM
Hi guys,

So I just received my M44 from AIM. So far very happy with it, however, I wish a little more info was left on it. Anyhow, the CCCP crest, Izzy/Tula and date (et. al) have been scrubbed or were never there. How can I find out the date and place of manufacture? Is this rare to find a scrubbed receiver? I've never seen Russian with a scrubbed receiver, but I admittedly have not seen as many as you guys. Thanks all.

TRICKSTER
01-09-2013, 1:20 PM
Yes it is unusual. Sometimes you can find the receiver date under the tang

Marcus von W.
01-09-2013, 3:11 PM
Wide or narrow front sight base? As I recall, they went to the wide on after Ww2, sometime in 1945.

SVT-40
01-09-2013, 3:50 PM
The "receivers" never had date or arsenal info stamped externally. That info is / was stamped into the barrel in front of the receiver. The bottom of the rear receiver tang may have a date as indicated above.

Post a photo of the barrel in front of the receiver and behind the rear sight.

vincentvangerven
01-09-2013, 4:00 PM
let's see some pics ...

Donkeypunch0420
01-09-2013, 4:15 PM
Here's a pic of the top.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=191700&stc=1&d=1357776848

TRICKSTER
01-09-2013, 4:30 PM
Wow, it's one of those rare "Suicide Mission Mosins". Be careful handling it. :eek:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2937200/posts

Replacement barrel? Do the other serial numbers match the barrel?

Vlad 11
01-09-2013, 4:42 PM
Woah that is very unusual.

Check out the tang and get a pic of the rear of the receiver topside to see if its an earlier style

The 1944 tula m44's were often made from recycled actions. Frequently scrubbed and restamped.

Was this just an order of the regular non-hand pick ones?

Donkeypunch0420
01-09-2013, 4:44 PM
^Yup, bolt matches receiver, buttplate, and mag plate. I'll remember not to lick the gun.

Donkeypunch0420
01-09-2013, 4:52 PM
Woah that is very unusual.

Check out the tang and get a pic of the rear of the receiver topside to see if its an earlier style

The 1944 tula m44's were often made from recycled actions. Frequently scrubbed and restamped.

Was this just an order of the regular non-hand pick ones?

Yes, it was just part of the regular non hand pick batch.

Capybara
01-09-2013, 5:20 PM
Never seen one like that, very interesting.

OHOD
01-09-2013, 6:00 PM
Check the tang.

Interesting there is not a date.

Rare? :shrug:

mosinnagantm9130
01-09-2013, 11:18 PM
Scrubbed...haven't seen that on a M44 before. I'm betting it's an Izhevsk based off the font of the serial number. Check the receiver tang.

mosinnagantm9130
01-09-2013, 11:18 PM
Scrubbed...haven't seen that on a M44 before. I'm betting it's an Izhevsk based off the font of the serial number. Check the receiver tang.

Vlad 11
01-10-2013, 12:51 AM
Yea almost certainly Izhevsk with the 'Y' proof there. Its a real unusual one there


found another one.. scrubbed m44 Izhevsk... looks more like a ground arisaka mum

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i304/rongoman/Mine/1hex1.jpg

yellowsled
01-11-2013, 3:34 AM
Why would they scub the maker and date. I would actually be pissed if I recieved that rifle from AIM. I would request another one.

mosinnagantm9130
01-11-2013, 3:39 AM
Why would they scub the maker and date. I would actually be pissed if I recieved that rifle from AIM. I would request another one.

No idea...it happens on 91/59s, never seen it on a M44 though. I'm guessing it's rare, why would you be mad if you got it?

knucklehead0202
01-11-2013, 9:46 PM
oh no! maybe it's not really 50 years old and you can't prove it and the DOJ gestapo is gonna come break down your door and kill your family and haul you off to the Stalag for the criminally c&r-addicted that don't do their homework. oh sorry, nevermind, only an idiot would go off in that direction....neat rifle. i'm not crazy, much, somebody here will get the humor in the rest of that ;)

knucklehead0202
01-11-2013, 9:47 PM
oh no! maybe it's not really 50 years old and you can't prove it and the DOJ gestapo is gonna come break down your door and kill your family and haul you off to the Stalag for the criminally c&r-addicted that don't do their homework. oh sorry, nevermind, only an idiot would go off in that direction....neat rifle. i'm not crazy, much, somebody here will get the humor in the rest of that ;)

mievil
01-11-2013, 11:50 PM
Why would they scub the maker and date. I would actually be pissed if I recieved that rifle from AIM. I would request another one.

Noob! haha

Only seen one other rifle like that and I regrettably sold it. A really cool fully sanitized 91/59. You've got a keeper. Check the rear tang like everyone else said. That'd provide a little more interest. But you definitely have a keeper.

yellowsled
01-12-2013, 3:08 AM
I've got a 1891/59 noob, as well as over 50 other mosins I my collection. I'm telling you, with the receiver scrubbed like that, it lost a lot of value.

My .02

Lurch762
01-12-2013, 3:27 AM
Only seen one other rifle like that and I regrettably sold it. A really cool fully sanitized 91/59.

LOL, I've seen that rifle, it's safely locked up at home. Next time you come over, I'll let you fondle it. :43:

mievil
01-12-2013, 9:19 AM
I've got a 1891/59 noob, as well as over 50 other mosins I my collection. I'm telling you, with the receiver scrubbed like that, it lost a lot of value.

My .02

How in the world has a sanitized rifle lost it's value? It wasn't done by bubba in his garage. It wasn't done by the importer. I don't understand how you own a 91/59, but know nothing about the intrigue that goes along with the sanitized 91/59. That's like saying a DDR has an extra stamp on the shank so it has lost value. Or a 91/38 was cut down from full size so it has lost value. The sanitized rifles are just another strange occurance in the weird world of Mosins, and anything other than a normal run of the mill actually has higher value than the ones you find every day at Big 5. And no one has mentioned the fact that this guy also has the orange paint on the markings that some other cult of Mosin buyers finds intriguing as well, so they actually pay more money for that. But I suppose the orange paint detracts value as well......Sigh.

My $0.01345

mosinnagantm9130
01-12-2013, 9:42 AM
I've got a 1891/59 noob, as well as over 50 other mosins I my collection. I'm telling you, with the receiver scrubbed like that, it lost a lot of value.

My .02

I disagree. It's not a Balkans M91, it's an M44. I've never seen a sanitized M44 outside of this thread. I'd much rather have that over a typical refurb 44-45 Izhevsk.

yellowsled
01-12-2013, 7:31 PM
This is not a Balkans m91 nor a mysterious 91/59. This is a drunk Russian guy that went nuts with a grinder and polisher. Being scrubbed, I wouldn't pay more than 75% of retail.


Guys, this is just my opinion.;)

WALDSCHRAT
01-13-2013, 12:12 AM
Check the tang date.
Are there any Izhevsk or Tula stamps on any of the other parts?

Donkeypunch0420
01-14-2013, 4:42 AM
Thanks for all the replies guys. I finally get what people were trying to tell me; the barrel has been scrubbed, not the receiver. Shows you how much I know about Mosins. I've been busy with work and haven't even looked at the gun since the last time I posted. Next time I get a chance, I will take her apart and check the tang. Probably going to keep the rifle. Unless of course this things worth like a thousand bucks, in that case I'd be selling it. I'm a fan of the weird and unusual. IMO the gun would look better with the stamps still there, but I'm intrigued that they're not. I'll try to keep you guys posted, in case anyone is curious.

billmaykafer
01-14-2013, 6:08 AM
Thanks for all the replies guys. I finally get what people were trying to tell me; the barrel has been scrubbed, not the receiver. Shows you how much I know about Mosins. I've been busy with work and haven't even looked at the gun since the last time I posted. Next time I get a chance, I will take her apart and check the tang. Probably going to keep the rifle. Unless of course this things worth like a thousand bucks, in that case I'd be selling it. I'm a fan of the weird and unusual. IMO the gun would look better with the stamps still there, but I'm intrigued that they're not. I'll try to keep you guys posted, in case anyone is curious.

what date was shown on paperwork you received when it was purchased?

backstrap
01-14-2013, 8:26 AM
This is not a Balkans m91 nor a mysterious 91/59. This is a drunk Russian guy that went nuts with a grinder and polisher. Being scrubbed, I wouldn't pay more than 75% of retail.


Guys, this is just my opinion.;)

Whoa whoa hold up, when someone says they have 50 it's common knowledge to post pics or it didn't happen.
Also that rifle has gained in value simple reason being I'd pay more for that than a non scrubbed.

yellowsled
01-14-2013, 9:29 AM
They are all locked up and spread out in 2 safes and a crate. ;) No way am I pulling em all out. Here is a pic of my last score of SKS's though...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-P2dClwfORXI/UPCtjKuUS2I/AAAAAAAAKpY/WsI9_5stouU/s488/B3B31E3F-2048-4506-B2D6-31AA437F2773.JPG


and my new favorite stock

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-yjVHkJChbm0/UPCtmjuLQhI/AAAAAAAAKpI/_W4SLMm60OE/s620/01D71F52-DD81-46A0-949F-F5082589B678.JPG

Capybara
01-14-2013, 10:34 AM
Damn, I thought Bobby was the serious SKS collector around here! Nice stock, very Balkan looking.

Vlad 11
01-14-2013, 11:25 AM
Woah, now i see where all the T56's ended up

That stock is pretty radical

So...

does a drunk Serbian guy that went nuts with a carving knife make that stock worth 75% of retail? ;)

yellowsled
01-14-2013, 3:49 PM
That was just this recent shipment.... lol

TRICKSTER
01-14-2013, 5:02 PM
That was just this recent shipment.... lol

Ready to supply your new neighbors? :D
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=677981