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AJAX22
08-25-2007, 1:09 PM
I just wanted to share with you guys my freaking awesome .22 It's a Ranger 34A (same as a marlin 50) one of the rarest and most desierable marlins ever made.

Here are some pics.... anyone see what makes it so special? :D (without looking it up online)


(note: that isn't the correct magazine, I just mocked it up, I may be converting it to take some non standard .22 magazines (non permenant modification easily reversable to original condition)

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0145.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0146.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0147.jpg

Pvt. Cowboy
08-25-2007, 1:45 PM
Open bolt.

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 1:59 PM
Open bolt.

Yep,

Its one of a very few open bolt .22LR rifles ever made, it was slightly more inacurate than its closed bolt counterparts which came along later (because of the weight of the bolt jumping forward) but it was a simple gun with few parts and was easy to clean. Still, the marlin 50 only sold about 5000 units with the ranger 34A making up only a small portion of those sales.

This was made in the 1920's

Most were converted to full auto prior to 1986, (all it took was to remove one small pin from the trigger assembly)

so a surviving specimen which is still a semi auto is pretty rare.

I've always wanted a legal open bolt gun, It took a while but I finally found this one, its a really neat design.

blkA4alb
08-25-2007, 3:00 PM
And what makes this open bolt gun legal and not a machine gun under federal law?

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 3:09 PM
It was made in the 20's.... 60 years before open bolt guns were banned...

the classification as machinguns didn't apply to guns already made, it only prohibeted the creation of new ones.

which is why you can still buy semi auto open bolt Mac 10's and Tec9's.... they're just hard to find because most people converted them to full auto and registered them prior to the 86 FOPA

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 3:32 PM
yes the parts are psychotically rare, I have a closed bolt version of the same gun (parts are easier for that one but still a bit rough to find)

they didn't make many of them and most of them are owned by class III collectors who drive the prices sky high.

factory magazines run around 300$ :eek:

some of the other parts that are interchangable with other higher production marlins and rangers cost less, but the ones that are 34a Specific are scarce, desierable and expensive.

Cato
08-25-2007, 3:36 PM
Looks like a WWII era Rusian sub machine gun. I forget the name PPR? Way cool

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 3:59 PM
PPSH41?

it does sorta look like that.... I could probably mock it up to look more like one... I was thinking about building a custom stock for it that would allow it to take ruger 10/22 mags, a full dress kit that did the ppsh thing would be sexy...

I won't be doing any non reversable modification though, I want the ability to put it back to factory original.

Stevil
08-25-2007, 7:35 PM
So you remove one pin in the trigger group and it's full auto? :28:

metalhead357
08-25-2007, 8:03 PM
So you remove one pin in the trigger group and it's full auto? :28:


NOBODY cared back then. Still the true era of the rifleman....full auto was either just a neet-o or a waste to most 'true riflemen'...and the goobermint hadn't gotton itself into the gun banning busness to any real big extent.

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 8:04 PM
So you remove one pin in the trigger group and it's full auto? :28:

Yes, Its a single pin that is held in place by the stock (you have to be carefull or it can fall out when you dissasemble the rifle for cleaning)

without it it would run without a disconnect.

I'll post close up pics of it eventually

I'm never going to convert it to full auto (I value my RKBA to highly for that)

although if gene wants to take his boat out into international watters and pop beercans ;) I might be down with it.

I just like owning an open bolt gun legally. I didn't think I would ever have the oportunity.

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 8:28 PM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0154.jpg

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0151.jpg

See that shiney little pin that is sticking out in front of the trigger pin?

thats the one that people removed in order to register the rifle as a MG prior to 86

you have to be carefull that it doesn't fall out when cleaning the gun.

*edit* sorry about the quality of pics, my camera is junk... :( anyone want to trade me a D100 nikon for gun parts?

thedrickel
08-25-2007, 8:37 PM
How much and where can I get one?

Dr. Peter Venkman
08-25-2007, 8:50 PM
It looks like a Reising SMG.

AJAX22
08-25-2007, 9:03 PM
How much and where can I get one?

I have no idea where you'll find one, I got mine off of THR

they are psychotically rare, and are typically quite expensive (unless people don't know what they have... mine was 135$ shipped :D)

I can't find them on gunbroker, auction arms, or anywhere, there are a few refferences to them online, but not much info. (look up ranger 34A and marlin 50 and marlin 50E)

I'm gonig to be keeping my eyes peeled at gunshows and pawnshops in the future, this has to be one of the neatest .22LR's ever made

and yeah it does kinda look like an old reising

http://world.guns.ru/smg/reising_m50-2.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0145.jpg

Tweak338
08-25-2007, 10:03 PM
Very nice find AJAX.

I want one now :drool5:
Just spent about 30mins looking for one. no dice

Dr. Peter Venkman
08-25-2007, 10:31 PM
I found the thread you bought it in.

LUCKY DOG.

Pvt. Cowboy
08-26-2007, 2:46 AM
Here's some pics I just took of 'Sarah'. She's 26 years old and unfired:

http://i11.tinypic.com/6akrvwp.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/5ywwge9.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/61njcix.jpg

Still keep her new in box, with wrapping paper, owner's manual, and 20-round magazine.

ts
08-26-2007, 2:53 AM
Here's some pics I just took of 'Sarah'. She's 26 years old and unfired:

http://i11.tinypic.com/6akrvwp.jpg

http://i14.tinypic.com/5ywwge9.jpg

http://i13.tinypic.com/61njcix.jpg

Still keep her new in box, with wrapping paper, owner's manual, and 20-round magazine.

your both are lucky bastards. :43:

Pvt. Cowboy
08-26-2007, 11:22 AM
your both are lucky bastards. :43:

:p

:D

:o

SemiAutoSam
08-26-2007, 11:30 AM
Does that rifle take a Bingham magazine ? and if so what capacity is it ?

Q
08-26-2007, 11:43 AM
nice find ajax! that's one cool 22. $300 magazine ouch! Wow, it looks great for 1920's and the price wasn't bad either.

Damn, pvtcowboy. that thing is very evil.:43:

Pvt. Cowboy
08-26-2007, 12:01 PM
Damn, pvtcowboy. that thing is very evil.:43:

Normally I'd say that there are no evil guns, just evil owners...

... but yeah, that pistol is a little bit evil.

SemiAutoSam
08-26-2007, 12:07 PM
And from what I remember when it came to that kind of "Pistol" it was the little brother to the original KG99.

But there are others I would rather have when it comes to an open bolt "Pistol" LOL

Normally I'd say that there are no evil guns, just evil owners...

... but yeah, that pistol is a little bit evil.

ts
08-26-2007, 12:09 PM
Man!!! This Is Totally Not Fair!

Pvt. Cowboy
08-26-2007, 12:18 PM
And from what I remember when it came to that kind of "Pistol" it was the little brother to the original KG99.

But there are others I would rather have when it comes to an open bolt "Pistol" LOL

KG9 was the original.

KG99 was the closed-bolt semi that came later, forced by ATF Ruling 82-2.

SemiAutoSam
08-26-2007, 12:36 PM
This could very well be true.

Did you know this from memory or do some research on the web ?

I do remember that which ever one I had in my hands in the early 80's was a POS.

I turned it real fast.

KG9 was the original.

KG99 was the closed-bolt semi that came later, forced by ATF Ruling 82-2.

AJAX22
08-26-2007, 1:58 PM
I believe this takes a propriatary 6 round magazine (but can easaly be fitted with others)

the one pictured with it is some kind of 20 round stick mag I have kicking around from my crates of mags.

I don't know what it goes to, it says IH .22LR on it

EBWhite
08-26-2007, 2:18 PM
Is this C&R status being 50yo +?

AJAX22
08-26-2007, 2:23 PM
Is this C&R status being 50yo +?

Yep, ;) cool ain't it?

Pvt. Cowboy
08-26-2007, 7:49 PM
This could very well be true.

Did you know this from memory or do some research on the web ?


I've collected these for a good while. Here's how you can immediately tell that a KG9 is the predecessor to the later KG99:

1. The KG99 was never an open-bolt gun. It's design was changed by Interdynamic to satisfy ATF Ruling 82-2 (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jersey_arms_v_secretary.txt). Therefore, a KG9 bolt illegally inserted into a KG99 pistol will not allow the KG99 to function as an open-bolt action firearm for the following reasons: The sear length is shorter on a KG99 and it will not hold the KG9 bolt back far enough to strip off a cartridge from the magazine. Also, the milled channel for the cocking knob will not allow the KG9 bolt to go forward far enough to chamber a cartridge or allow the KG9 bolt's milled firing pin to crush the cartridge primer. Simply milling this cut further will not work, as the barrel trunnion is different between a KG9 and KG99. There is also no safety cutout in the cocking knob channel on a KG99 receiver. However, a striker-fired KG99 bolt carrier assembly will function in a KG9 if the sear is replaced with a KG99 sear.

2. The serial number range for KG99s picks up where the KG9s left off. Duncan Long reported that some 4,039 KG9s were manufactured before ATF Ruling 82-2 (http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jersey_arms_v_secretary.txt)came down, and I don't think I've ever seen a KG99 serial number lower than 6,000 or so. The last legal KG9s were manufactured before January 19th 1982, while the KG99's production lasted into sometime in 1984 before Interdynamic AB of Sweden sold their entire American business wing to new owners who renamed the company 'Intratec USA' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intratec).

3. KG9 pistol grips are smooth. The later KG99s had a textured pistol grip with raised molded checkering. Also, the plastic material in a KG99 receiver is different than the earlier KG9s. The KG9s used a kind of ABS plastic while the KG99 is made of super nylon like an M16-A2 stock is made of. The KG99 mag release has a raised bump on the bottom, and KG9 mag release levers are straight and tapered slightly.

4. The serial number on a KG9 is molded in plastic on the receiver, and can be deserialized with a match or a quick scuffing with sandpaper. ATF didn't like that, so the later KG99 had a serialized metal plate insert midway across the left side of the lower receiver like Glocks have. Also, the KG9 has an electro pencil marking of the corresponding serial number on the upper receiver tube. It was a light scribble and didn't satisfy ATF's requirements for size and depth of serial numbers.

5. KG9s never had threaded barrels. All later KG99s did. There have been some KG9s seen with threaded barrels, but these were retrofitted by aftermarket gunsmiths with KG99 barrels for NFA purposes. Only after the KG99 was released were accessories offered in the form of extended barrel shrouds and the rarely seen (and ruled unlawful) forward pistol grip. The KG99 forward pistol grip is actually uncheckered like a KG9 grip and is made of the same plastic that a KG9 receiver is made of. Also, there was never to my knowledge a 'Mini' version of the KG9 like the later KG99 model line offered. There are some alleged bare stainless finish KG9s in existence, but all of the ones I've ever seen were all black oxide coated over the natural stainless finish.

6. Genuine KG9 magazines have a vertical strengthening rib impressed down the length of the magazine body. Many of these were imported surplus Karl Gustav or Port Said magazines modified by Interdynamic to fit the magazine latch and were all blued steel. The last type had a wire loop on the magazine bottom plate. By the time the KG99 came around, Interdynamic was producing magazines domestically in Miami FL. These later magazines had no rib or wire loop on the mag bottom plate and were simply coated in black oxide rather than bluing.

7. For several of the above reasons, it's very apparent to the eye that when comparing a KG9 and KG99 side by side that the KG99's features are intended barriers designed to prevent simple conversion to fully automatic fire -- whereas the KG9 is obviously easily convertible.

AJAX22
04-25-2008, 4:33 PM
I still haven't found a magazine for this thing... :(

RedDawn
04-25-2008, 4:43 PM
I still haven't found a magazine for this thing... :(

LOL
But in all honesty, I feel for you.
I remember following this thread.

Wizard99
04-25-2008, 4:55 PM
Is this it?

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=403080C&chrSuperSKU=403080&MC=

wilit
04-25-2008, 4:56 PM
I still haven't found a magazine for this thing... :(

Maybe I'm mistaken, but Numrich's website says they have Ranger 34A magazines in stock.

It's the 6th listing from the top (http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=403080B&chrSuperSKU=403080&MC=)

wilit
04-25-2008, 4:57 PM
Is this it?

http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=403080C&chrSuperSKU=403080&MC=

Damn, beat me by 1 minute.

AJAX22
04-25-2008, 5:02 PM
Dang... only 15 bucks too..... must not be much demand for these :D

bohoki
04-25-2008, 9:16 PM
the mag looks like one of the ar-7 extended mags

AJAX22
07-01-2008, 10:11 PM
Actually I think the mag is for a french Gevarm (I'm working on getting one so I can find out for certain)

I just wanted to bump this necro thread a bit to let everyone know that I found a second one of these :D

I took a gamble on an unknown poorly listed gunbroker auction and l got lucky.

This one is in great shape, no tap holes in the receiver or barrel (never had a scope on it)

AND this one has the factory magazine :D :D :D

so I can actually shoot it, and shoot my other one (just not both at the same time)

hehe

I now have two of the super rare Ranger 34A open bolt .22LR's

CRTguns
07-02-2008, 12:41 AM
I've got a Voere open bolt- West german MFG. Not your beginner's .22 Neat stuff though.

slowfire
07-02-2008, 5:26 AM
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u115/Ratduster77/DCP_0146.jpg

Does it have a rear sight? Is it grooved into the top and just can't be seen from this angle?

AJAX22
07-02-2008, 5:48 AM
Does it have a rear sight? Is it grooved into the top and just can't be seen from this angle?

Yep it does have a standard rear sight dovetail, (it will take a ruger 10/22 flip up rear site just fine)

The factory rear sites tend to dissapear on these guns for some reason, I suspect they were not staked from the factory.

AJAX22
07-24-2008, 11:24 AM
I get to pick up the Gevarm on Saturday....

fingers crossed that the mags I have work in it.

offrdmania
07-24-2008, 3:35 PM
Is it me or is this rifle the same thing as that ranger. If so this one is a steal http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=105508088

AJAX22
07-24-2008, 4:49 PM
Yep thats the same one.

Reserve is not met ;)

and the Marlin's are a bit more common than the rangers.

very cool stuff though.