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ziconceo
01-05-2013, 2:28 AM
Hello everyone, I recently came across 2 WWII ariska receivers (along with bolts, trigger housing, trigger assembly and bolt locks) with the mums still intact. was wondering how much they were worth alone but also how much would they be worth if i were to barrel them and put them in stocks. Also, should i use steel wool on them to get rid of some of the rust or keep it there? I have no interest in keeping these and want to sell the eventually. thanks!:D

ziconceo
01-05-2013, 2:42 AM
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6mmintl
01-05-2013, 6:28 AM
Id go $50 on T38 action shown, rebarrelling/chamber cuts are unusual/time consuming and aftermarket stocks are very hard to find new/used.

Lots of labor/love to restore to a sporter or military.

ziconceo
01-05-2013, 10:57 AM
Actually, I can get matching barrels and stocks for really cheap. In a few weeks I can get them and they are for those exact receivers. (matching numbers to make a complete rifle). also, there are 2 actions not just one, are they both t38? thanks

Vlad 11
01-05-2013, 1:01 PM
Dont use steel wool on them!!

Those don't look that bad, if you were inclined to sell them
leave them as is. Bronze wool if anything.

I dont believe Arisaka actions are all that desirable or worth a whole lot. Matching bolt plus intact Mum is a plus but a restore is going to cost much more than just finding a complete rifle. Plus it will always just be a parts gun.

You could list them on the Japanese trader on gunboards, they might sell there

Justin Case
01-05-2013, 1:21 PM
Those are Type 99s.

Sampachi
01-05-2013, 3:57 PM
The top two photos are T38s and the lower photos are T99s.

Knowledgeable Arisaka collectors are a very picky bunch. They'll spot a restoration/mixed parts gun from a mile away, just by the mixed acceptance stamps. Mismatched rifles never go for much money.

If it were me, I'd probably work on my gunsmithing skills and make a nice .308 rifle out of one.

surplus-addict
01-05-2013, 4:27 PM
The top two photos are T38s and the lower photos are T99s.

Knowledgeable Arisaka collectors are a very picky bunch. They'll spot a restoration/mixed parts gun from a mile away, just by the mixed acceptance stamps. Mismatched rifles never go for much money.

If it were me, I'd probably work on my gunsmithing skills and make a nice .308 rifle out of one.

He said he can get all the parts to make a complete, parts matching rifle.

GOEX FFF
01-05-2013, 4:49 PM
He said he can get all the parts to make a complete, parts matching rifle.

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts OP will be hard pressed to get the correct stock to the receiver. One might slap on any ole' stock, but not all Arisaka stocks are correct for a particular rifle. There are differences in them for an arsenal and/or series receiver. Sampachi is right, true collectors will spot a mix-master from a mile away.

FourTenJaeger
01-05-2013, 4:53 PM
Don't try to clean them up, shine, polish, or ''improve'' them. Please.

Intact mums are getting harder to find.

Don't sporterize them.

gunboat
01-05-2013, 6:20 PM
Best bet is to sell them to someone with a complete rifle with a drilled & tapped receiver or who wants one without a ground mum.
Or you buy their D&T unit and rebuild it yourself.
I don't think receivers are C&R --
my tuppence

Justin Case
01-05-2013, 6:29 PM
The top two photos are T38s and the lower photos are T99s.

Knowledgeable Arisaka collectors are a very picky bunch. They'll spot a restoration/mixed parts gun from a mile away, just by the mixed acceptance stamps. Mismatched rifles never go for much money.

If it were me, I'd probably work on my gunsmithing skills and make a nice .308 rifle out of one.

I was commenting on the ones pictured with mums.

You're right that the one in the upper right is a Type 38.

So, OP; how many do you have again?

Sampachi
01-05-2013, 7:20 PM
If he has all the matching parts and the correct stocks, that is one thing. If he has to find stocks and a few parts, that's another.
There can be quite a bit of difference in stocks between the arsenals, and even differences within the years they were made.

I'm just stating that parts guns or restorations don't sell well to people who collect Arisakas.

ziconceo
01-05-2013, 8:25 PM
I have 2 receivers, trigger groups, bolts, magazine floor plates, magazine springs, magazine followers, and magazine/ trigger guards. The bolts do not match but im getting about 4 more bolts that may match. (this is all coming from a big box and i grabbed as much as I could from it in a hurry) I have not tried to restore the actions nor will i try to now with your guys advice. Ill try to get the rest of the parts on the 18th and take pics asap

Vlad 11
01-06-2013, 2:14 AM
The bolts themselves have some decent value. I think complete bolts will get 60-90 bucks

But a matching bolt and receiver might be desirable to someone, I'm sure you'll be able to sell it eventually

ziconceo
01-06-2013, 11:17 AM
The bolts themselves have some decent value. I think complete bolts will get 60-90 bucks

But a matching bolt and receiver might be desirable to someone, I'm sure you'll be able to sell it eventually

Seriously? That's awesome! I have about 8 bolts in that box! one of them is a COMPLETE last ditch effort, here's two pictures of it...are these worth more or less?http://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i348/ziconceo/IMAG0800_zps704426a8.jpghttp://i1089.photobucket.com/albums/i348/ziconceo/IMAG0801_zps233ae721.jpg

6mmintl
01-06-2013, 5:03 PM
You will spend way more money on parts to rebuild a $350 rifle into a $150 shooter, wait till you try to index/install/headspace another t99/t38 barrel, only worth grafting a takeoff remington/winchester/maybe savage barrel and rechambering, now you have to cut/shape/weld bolt to clear scope and then D & T the receiver.

Add it up.

Vlad 11
01-06-2013, 5:33 PM
Seriously? That's awesome! I have about 8 bolts in that box! one of them is a COMPLETE last ditch effort, here's two pictures of it...are these worth more or less?

I really dont know the exact value of the bolts, but i can say there are many subsets of arsenals and series. There are guys out there looking for a specific bolts to match a rifle, so you should eventually be able to sell those.

Most bolt have matched parts, very easy to dissasemble and check. There are numbers stamped on the bolt stem, safety stem and striker, also inspector marks indicating the arsenal.

Like i said before, list them on the Japanese trader on gunboards, they will get into the hands of a collector who can put them to good use. If they are priced right they will sell

Sampachi
01-06-2013, 8:19 PM
I have bought and sold bolts off of Flea-bay many years agot and they tended to got for about $45. Might be more around the price Vlad 11 states these days.
Sad fact is, it is far easier and more lucrative to part out a ground, mismatched rifle than it is to sell whole or restore.

ziconceo
01-06-2013, 9:50 PM
You will spend way more money on parts to rebuild a $350 rifle into a $150 shooter, wait till you try to index/install/headspace another t99/t38 barrel, only worth grafting a takeoff Remington/Winchester/maybe savage barrel and rechambering, now you have to cut/shape/weld bolt to clear scope and then D & T the receiver.

Add it up.

The parts are mine I have them all they are just in a storage unit so no cost really, my father also owns a machine shop so I have all of the tools I need. Its a hobby for me as-well to put guns together. In other words... I have the technology...I can rebuild them:cool2:

big103
01-07-2013, 12:54 AM
The parts are mine I have them all they are just in a storage unit so no cost really, my father also owns a machine shop so I have all of the tools I need. Its a hobby for me as-well to put guns together. In other words... I have the technology...I can rebuild them:cool2:

Well I guess I throw my .02. If you have the tools put the barrels back on them. If you don`t better to part them out and make money off the parts. Like said previous the bolt are 60-90 the stock are worth 80-100 by them selves. stock hardware altogether 35-50.

ziconceo
01-19-2013, 2:27 PM
Ok everyone, i got the parts and they are up for sale now!

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=674400
and
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=674402

echo1
01-20-2013, 1:14 AM
I've bought 3 complete bolts, 2 T-99s, 1 T-38 with a couple bolt bodies thrown in each deal, in the last 12 months, for about 90 bucks, shipped cross country. Most of the guys that have stuff, actually try to help a brother out, rather than make much profit. Tho I might add, it has taken me 41 years to find the right T-38 for my uncles intact bring back (that I cut to carbine length when a wee lad). He, my dad, and other relatives were in the First Filipino Reg. If you've got the tools and ambition, those are the strongest bolt actions, and made out of the best steel. It's alot different when you can do the labor yourself. And if your going to "cobble something up", find one of those there modern fitting stocks you like, and build the rifle around the stock. T-38 .308 any one. Just some thoughts, PAX

ziconceo
01-20-2013, 8:56 AM
Where did you get your stuff? ^ :eek:

echo1
01-20-2013, 9:24 AM
Where did you get your stuff? ^ :eek:

Through inquieries at Surplus Rifle, Military Surplus Collector, etc. When I see posts (like this) on the other forums about stuff I have or need, I'll shoot a PM to guys that seem to have knowledgable input and get connected. I in turn have off loaded some of my spares for cost, helping the next guy in need. That's how I've been able to keep some of these guys alive.
FYI, the correct nomenclature is Substitute Standard not "last ditch" in the collector world. PAX
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ziconceo
01-20-2013, 8:36 PM
Neat, here's the thing though...I have no job, I'm a full time student at collage, I have a car that needs insurance and gas fed to it, and to top it all off I have a girlfriend... I wouldn't mind 'helping a brother out" if it didnt mean getting rid of my only source of income :( I'm sure you understand right?

echo1
01-20-2013, 9:45 PM
Neat, here's the thing though...I have no job, I'm a full time student at collage, I have a car that needs insurance and gas fed to it, and to top it all off I have a girlfriend... I wouldn't mind 'helping a brother out" if it didnt mean getting rid of my only source of income :( I'm sure you understand right?

Yes in deed I do. PAX