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Walking Fire
01-01-2013, 4:36 PM
Hit it hard...
Sorry if its a dupe..

http://www.sfgate.com/news/

gomatty
01-01-2013, 4:42 PM
3 options for some form of gun control vs 1 for maintaining the status quo.



More and more complete background checks for gun buyers
1066 ( 16.9% )
Ban large-capacity gun magazines
1519 ( 24.1% )
Nothing
2708 ( 42.9% )
Amend the Second Amendment
1017 ( 16.1% )

warbird
01-01-2013, 4:44 PM
talk about a rigged poll. tried for the anti gun vote and found all these closet gun owners hiding in the bay area (LOL). I'll bet the anti-gun people are paranoid now. Pour it on folks and vote like there was no tomorrow.

nicoroshi
01-01-2013, 4:50 PM
http://firingsquad.us/wp-forum/gallery/4-010113184913.jpeg

Voted

tbhracing
01-01-2013, 4:54 PM
Done

cabinetguy
01-01-2013, 4:56 PM
voted. I am seeing a trend with these polls, I wish the politicians were listening.

hornswaggled
01-01-2013, 5:16 PM
hit

LockJaw
01-01-2013, 5:50 PM
Since there is only one non anti gun response listed (nothing) with the current response of 43 %, the results are ripe to be manipulated.
It will be reported tomorrow that the majority of people want some kind of change for further gun control.

LockJaw
01-01-2013, 5:51 PM
Since there is only one non anti gun response listed (nothing) with the current response of 43 %, the results are ripe to be manipulated.
It will be reported tomorrow that the majority of people want some kind of change for further gun control.

HowardW56
01-01-2013, 5:55 PM
What should the government do to limit the availability of firearms?

More and more complete background checks for gun buyers 1072 (16.6%)

Ban large-capacity gun magazines 1534 ( 23.7% )

Nothing 2830 ( 43.8% )

Amend the Second Amendment 1028 ( 15.9% )

speedrrracer
01-01-2013, 6:29 PM
44% for nothing, and the poll appears to be closed...at least, I had no option to vote.

Perhaps they were pissed it didn't go the way they wanted...

Tier One Arms
01-01-2013, 6:40 PM
Keep the link cold. They can see where the traffic is coming from if you click the link, paste it in your browser instead.

tonelar
01-01-2013, 6:42 PM
Nice poll... 3 anti answers vs 1

cranemech
01-01-2013, 7:01 PM
What should the government do to limit the availability of firearms?
More and more complete background checks for gun buyers
1081 ( 16.3% )
Ban large-capacity gun magazines
1550 ( 23.4% )
Nothing
2943 ( 44.4% )
Amend the Second Amendment
1047 ( 15.8% )

Goosebrown
01-01-2013, 7:07 PM
They'll spin it as 57% wanting gun control....

We aren't going to win in that forum ever. We will win in the courts and maybe in Congress, but it is going to be a tough year.

Nodda Duma
01-01-2013, 7:16 PM
Voted

mt4design
01-01-2013, 7:16 PM
I can't believe how disingenuous the poll is to include an option to amend the Second Amendment. That isn't a legally available option.

And, in fact, even if the Second Amendment was repealed, it would not destroy the inalienable right to bear arms.

In fact, any effort to repeal the Second Amendment should be met with arguments such as, "then can the right to free speech be repealed? Or, "can the right to abortion truly exist when the Constitution never specifically mentions any right to such an act?"

I'm sick of the ignorance and hypocrisy.

Rob Roy
01-01-2013, 7:18 PM
Voted.

AlpineWeiss
01-01-2013, 8:31 PM
Taped it, she liked it.

"What should the government do to limit the availability of firearms?" Yeah say it like it is a foregone conclusion.... :cuss:

CitaDeL
01-01-2013, 9:01 PM
They'll spin it as 57% wanting gun control....

We aren't going to win in that forum ever. We will win in the courts and maybe in Congress, but it is going to be a tough year.

Its called push polling, and you nailed it... it is impossible to influence the medias interpretation of the results when they have reduced the possible responses to ones that favor their editorialization.

Jwtechnic
01-01-2013, 9:02 PM
voted

barracudamuscle
01-01-2013, 9:53 PM
Pasted the cold link and voted on my ipad and my iphone! :)

Gryff
01-01-2013, 10:14 PM
Keep the link cold. They can see where the traffic is coming from if you click the link, paste it in your browser instead.

Correct. Always cut and paste the URL into a new browser window when hitting media polls.

383green
01-01-2013, 10:41 PM
I ignore online polls like this one. I see them as being utterly irrelevant. The fact that folks with axes to grind (like us) commonly go play the "vote early; vote often" game on them just highlights how meaningless the poll results are. So what if the poll results show 99% agreement with us or 99% disagreement with us? In either case, the results do not reflect a real distribution of opinions. And in either case, nothing changes in the real world as a result of the poll.

Voting in these silly online newspaper polls is just as useful as playing Farmville. Go ahead and do it if it entertains you, but don't think for a moment that it means anything in real life.

winslowgirl
01-01-2013, 10:46 PM
As of this writing, do "nothing" is now supported by 45.7% of those who voted.

Only 4.3% +1 added vote away from an absolute majority in favor of NO new legislation. That roughly equates to a mere 300 more souls voting "Nothing". So very close to denying the gun-grabbers use of the, "most people favor some restrictions" canard.

And close to providing those who would defend Truth, Justice. and the American Way, the opportunity to assert:

"Even in the most liberal and anti-gun city in the most liberal anti-gun state in the Union, most people want no further legislation restricting their Second Amendment rights"

Worth emailing the poll URL to those who would have a mind to voice their opinion in defense of their civil rights.

m03
01-01-2013, 10:49 PM
Voting in these silly online newspaper polls is just as useful as playing Farmville. Go ahead and do it if it entertains you, but don't think for a moment that it means anything in real life.

The problem is, if the poll shows the way they want the story to be presented, they'll use it to harp on in subsequent broadcasts. They do matter very much in that regard, so the more we can represent the real numbers, the less they'll be able to use these polls as anti-self-defense rhetoric.

10mm
01-01-2013, 11:01 PM
Done. Nothing, Nada, Zilch.

winslowgirl
01-01-2013, 11:18 PM
Voting in these silly online newspaper polls is just as useful as playing Farmville. Go ahead and do it if it entertains you, but don't think for a moment that it means anything in real life.I'm sorry but in the real world such polls are used as a tool to influence/modify the zeitgeist. They are useful in astroturfing a fictional groundswell of popular opinion, and such results can and are referenced in support of anti-2A legislation.

Gryff
01-02-2013, 1:22 AM
I ignore online polls like this one. I see them as being utterly irrelevant. The fact that folks with axes to grind (like us) commonly go play the "vote early; vote often" game on them just highlights how meaningless the poll results are. So what if the poll results show 99% agreement with us or 99% disagreement with us? In either case, the results do not reflect a real distribution of opinions. And in either case, nothing changes in the real world as a result of the poll.

Voting in these silly online newspaper polls is just as useful as playing Farmville. Go ahead and do it if it entertains you, but don't think for a moment that it means anything in real life.

There's a lot of sheeple out there, and they don't actively engage until there is the safety of a dog pile. It's good to remind them that we are NOT a tiny minority.

five.five-six
01-02-2013, 1:32 AM
They really need an option:

"Subsidize firearms for low income households"

Arson
01-02-2013, 2:18 AM
More and more complete background checks for gun buyers
1144 ( 16.0% )

Ban large-capacity gun magazines
1611 ( 22.5% )

Nothing
3311 ( 46.2% )

Amend the Second Amendment
1094 ( 15.3% )

CapS
01-02-2013, 3:09 AM
Voting in these silly online newspaper polls is just as useful as playing Farmville. Go ahead and do it if it entertains you, but don't think for a moment that it means anything in real life.



WHAT?
Farmville not real? My life now . . . meaningless.

Crap.

:oji:

Cap

CDFingers
01-02-2013, 5:36 AM
Voted.

"Do nothing" is still leading. This is good.

CDFingers

kimber_ss
01-02-2013, 5:42 AM
Tried to kick "nothing" up to 50%, but I'm only one vote. Keep voting!

therealnickb
01-02-2013, 5:43 AM
They'll spin it as 57% wanting gun control....

We aren't going to win in that forum ever. We will win in the courts and maybe in Congress, but it is going to be a tough year.

That's exactly how the spin works. It's a totally rigged poll.

cdtx2001
01-02-2013, 6:04 AM
Another useless poll brought to you by the liberal propaganda machine. I will waste my time elsewhere rather than participate in their online vote

Wherryj
01-02-2013, 9:16 AM
Hit it hard...
Sorry if its a dupe..

http://www.sfgate.com/news/

Wow, that's a very biased poll. "What should the government do to limit guns?" How about "Should the government do anything to limit guns, if so what?"

Isn't that sort of like asking, "So, when DID you stop beating your wife?"

Drivedabizness
01-02-2013, 9:50 AM
I just voted and "nothing" and "Amend the 2A" had a combined 61.5%.

BTW - "Amend the 2A" is an absolutely appropriate option for them to include in the poll. It is the only Constitutionally acceptable way for them to alter our enumerated rights. The vast majority of States have the RTKBA in their own Constitutions - the chances for abolishment or major changes to the Federal 2A are nill. But by all means, lets pick up the gauntlet to "have a national dialogue" on gun ownership, carry, etc. The ammendment process is the perfect venue for that conversation. And then, having had that conversation with the anti's losing, let's move on to real solutions to our problems.

CitaDeL
01-02-2013, 9:54 AM
I just voted and "nothing" and "Amend the 2A" had a combined 61.5%.

BTW - "Amend the 2A" is an absolutely appropriate option for them to include in the poll. It is the only Constitutionally acceptable way for them to alter our enumerated rights. The vast majority of States have the RTKBA in their own Constitutions - the chances for abolishment or major changes to the Federal 2A are nill. But by all means, lets pick up the gauntlet to "have a national dialogue" on gun ownership, carry, etc. The ammendment process is the perfect venue for that conversation. And then, having had that conversation with the anti's losing, let's move on to real solutions to our problems.

Unfortunately, the intent of including the suggestion in the poll cannot be construed to mean amending the second to strengthen the language to make keeping and carrying arms absolute. If any of the Bill of Rights is ever addressed in a national dialogue, it will not likely be to enhance government limitations, but to erode them.

shmeare
01-02-2013, 9:58 AM
What should the government do to limit the availability of firearms?

More and more complete background checks for gun buyers 1208 ( 15.9% )

Ban large-capacity gun magazines 1722 ( 22.6% )

Nothing 3542 ( 46.5% )

Amend the Second Amendment 1143 ( 15.0% )

pitbull30
01-02-2013, 10:31 AM
The headline will read or be said. "Most people agree that "something" should be done"

More and more complete background checks for gun buyers
1217 ( 15.8% )
Ban large-capacity gun magazines
1739 ( 22.6% )
Nothing
3589 ( 46.6% )
Amend the Second Amendment
1151 ( 15.0% )

five.five-six
01-02-2013, 3:47 PM
voted again from work... "cold" this time, pasted the URL in the browser

Seventh7
01-02-2013, 7:59 PM
Wonder if you delete your cookies, if you could vote twice ? :devil:

Texas Boy
01-02-2013, 8:11 PM
Since there is only one non anti gun response listed (nothing) with the current response of 43 %, the results are ripe to be manipulated.
It will be reported tomorrow that the majority of people want some kind of change for further gun control.

Yep. You can bank on it.

But hey, it was up to 46% when I just voted. Would be sweet if we can get it over 50% and spoil their party.

2Fowl
01-02-2013, 8:56 PM
Done...