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Tarn_Helm
12-31-2012, 12:31 AM
Excerpt of op/ed piece below.

Click link to read the whole thing.

Americans never give up your guns (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/)
http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/
28.12.2012 By Stanislav Mishin

These days, there are few few things to admire about the socialist, bankrupt and culturally degenerating USA, but at least so far, one thing remains: the right to bear arms and use deadly force to defend one's self and possessions.

This will probably come as a total shock to most of my Western readers, but at one point, Russia was one of the most heavily armed societies on earth. This was, of course, when we were free under the Tsar. Weapons, from swords and spears to pistols, rifles and shotguns were everywhere, common items. People carried them concealed, they carried them holstered. Fighting knives were a prominent part of many traditional attires and those little tubes criss-crossing on the costumes of Cossacks and various Caucasian peoples? Well those are bullet holders for rifles.

Various armies, such as the Poles, during the Смута (Times of Troubles), or Napoleon, or the Germans even as the Tsarist state collapsed under the weight of WW1 and Wall Street monies, found that holding Russian lands was much much harder than taking them and taking was no easy walk in the park but a blood bath all its own. In holding, one faced an extremely well-armed and aggressive population Hell bent on exterminating or driving out the aggressor.

This well-armed population was what allowed the various White factions to rise up, no matter how disorganized politically and militarily they were in 1918 and wage a savage civil war against the Reds. It should be noted that many of these armies were armed peasants, villagers, farmers and merchants, protecting their own. If it had not been for Washington's clandestine support of and for the Reds, history would have gone quite differently.

Moscow fell, for example, not from a lack of weapons to defend it, but from the lying guile of the Reds. Ten thousand Reds took Moscow and were opposed only by some few hundreds of officer cadets and their instructors. Even then the battle was fierce and losses high. However, in the city alone, at that time, lived over 30,000 military officers (both active and retired), all with their own issued weapons and ammunition, plus tens of thousands of other citizens who were armed. The Soviets promised to leave them all alone if they did not intervene. They did not and for that were asked afterwards to come register themselves and their weapons: where they were promptly shot.

. . . (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/28-12-2012/123335-americans_guns-0/)

An auspicious start to a new year--I hope.
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frankm
12-31-2012, 12:42 AM
Is this true? Did Washington support the Reds? Why? Also, I'm not surprised they were shot, that's what commies do.

gunsandrockets
12-31-2012, 12:48 AM
Is this true? Did Washington support the Reds? Why? Also, I'm not surprised they were shot, that's what commies do.

No. Washington supported the whites, along with several other western powers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

strlen
12-31-2012, 2:20 AM
Keep in mind most Russians have served in the military and don't have an irrational fear of firearms. While civilian ownership pistols is (shamefully) prohibited, civilians have the right to purchase semi-automatic rifles and shotguns -- including the Saiga -- as long as they're not chambered in in a caliber used by the Russian military (iirc this is why .308 and .223 versions of the Saiga exist).

Slightly off-topic, but I think the practice of having cartridge holders integrated into national dress began with Circassians (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adyghe_people). Russia has a large population of Circassians, but here is a picture of Israeli Circassians (who -- along with Druze -- have petitioned to serve in the IDF), anyone know the caliber of the round in this picture (I'd imagine a derivative of .45-70 or .50-90 as used by the Berdan/Sharps rifle?):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Circassians_in_Israel.Jpg

(Full disclosure: I'm a Russian-Jewish immigrant who is a big history buff and strong supporter of RKBA).