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E Pluribus Unum
08-20-2007, 12:43 PM
I know this has been asked about rifles... and as long as it does not violate state/federal law it seems to be OK.

What about handguns? I know out fishing in the stream a licensed fisherman can have a concealed handgun without a permit. What about a licensed fisherman on a boat?


I was boarded by the coast guard and was sweating it... :)

SamIAm
08-20-2007, 1:34 PM
1. If boarded by the CG, let 'em know you've got firearms on board.

2. Stay far, far away from Mexican waters. No guns, no ammo. You can do serious time -- in a Mexican prison -- for bringing stuff into their jurisdiction.

3. Don't go shooting at any marine mammals -- no matter how much of your bait or how many yellowtail or salmon they steal. ;-) That's what paintball guns are for -- seriously!

hoffmang
08-20-2007, 2:36 PM
CG is exceedingly cool with firearms on a boat. All they want to know is where it is, is it loaded, and if they can keep themselves between you and it. There interest is only in boarding team safety.

-Gene

E Pluribus Unum
08-20-2007, 2:51 PM
CG is exceedingly cool with firearms on a boat. All they want to know is where it is, is it loaded, and if they can keep themselves between you and it. There interest is only in boarding team safety.

-Gene

I elected to remain silent and let my buddy say "No" because no one else knew about it... :)

I was pooping myself though... I figured it would be legal, and thats why I had it, but one never knows.

burl broderick
08-20-2007, 3:45 PM
Here's one for you, Gene (or anyone else that can come up with a solid response)...

What is the legality of the transportation to and possession of a handgun on a boat
owned by the possessor, berthed in the SF Marina ? :chris:

I'm asking in regard to the new brilliant law in SF banning the possession or
sales of guns on SF property.

Thanks.

E Pluribus Unum
08-20-2007, 3:55 PM
Here's one for you, Gene (or anyone else that can come up with a solid response)...

What is the legailty of the transportion to and possession of a handgun on a boat
owned by the possesor, berthed in the SF Marina ? :chris:

I'm asking in regard to the new brilliant law in SF banning the possesion or
sales of guns on SF property.

Thanks.

That would be dependant on where the incorporated city limits end. 200 miles out is the federal boundary... I believe state is 12 miles out.... I do not think that San Francisco City limits extend into the water; that would be an attorney question though.

Technically if you have a legally-purchased full auto weapon, you could sail as close as 12 miles to the California coast and it be legal assuming you do not pass through waters where weapons are restricted (like Mexico).

Federal laws apply in federal waters.

burl broderick
08-20-2007, 4:11 PM
Thanks.

I'm actually thinking more specifically about possessing a gun in a boat docked in the SF Marina harbor.
The Harbor Office leases space from the City of SF. It's not as pertinent that it is within city limits as it is
on city property ( I believe ) as opposed to private property.
So... the boat is private property that is legally kept within city property.
I'm sure the supes thought of this when they wrote the law. I just don't know what they decided. :rolleyes:

E Pluribus Unum
08-20-2007, 4:13 PM
Thanks.

I'm actually thinking more specifically about possessing a gun in a boat docked in the SF Marina harbor.
The Harbor Office leases space from the City of SF. It's not as pertinent that it is within city limits as it is
on city property ( I believe ) as opposed to private property.
So... the boat is private property that is legally kept within city property.
I'm sure the supes thought of this when they wrote the law. I just don't know what they decided. :rolleyes:

Look on google earth and see where the city limit ends.

hoffmang
08-20-2007, 4:51 PM
If the vessel is federally documented, I'm pretty sure that a CA or SF LEO can not board her when tied up without a warrant or a federal escort. As such, I don't think the municipal safe storage rules apply. The transit rules are just standard CA transit from home to home as the boat is considered your residence for those laws.

-Gene

C.G.
08-20-2007, 5:05 PM
If the vessel is federally documented, I'm pretty sure that a CA or SF LEO can not board her when tied up without a warrant or a federal escort. As such, I don't think the municipal safe storage rules apply. The transit rules are just standard CA transit from home to home as the boat is considered your residence for those laws.

-Gene

Correct, although I've read they may board in pursuit of a felony, but may be wrong on that one, considering the source where I have read it.

burl broderick
08-20-2007, 7:45 PM
Thanks, Gene. That makes sense.
Do I recall correctly that you're a sailor ?

hoffmang
08-20-2007, 8:54 PM
You do indeed. I just sold a sizeable documented power vessel because I have 15'itis...

To keep my fiberglass habit from withdrawal, I'm restoring my 20' sport sail boat...

-Gene