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victor1echo
12-30-2012, 8:18 AM
And there will be resistance. Also he will push immigration reform. What a guy!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” said Obama in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.”

DonFerrando
12-30-2012, 8:25 AM
I read that earlier. Dark times. It's on like never before.

Johnny Lightning
12-30-2012, 8:32 AM
Nothing can get done with everything else going on, but he will throw his "full weight" behind gun control and THEN he expects something will get done?.

Skidmark
12-30-2012, 8:38 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

najay
12-30-2012, 8:47 AM
a good friend of mine pointed out that he has never seen a president so intent on dividing the nation and pushing for civil unrest.

LMTluvr
12-30-2012, 9:18 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

You're delusional. Seek help. Seriously.
I think he's made it quite obvious gun control is on the front burner.

CessnaDriver
12-30-2012, 9:20 AM
I expect an answer from those here that supported Obama and said he would not go after guns.
You know who you are.
Where are you? What are your thoughts on supporting Obama now????

victor1echo
12-30-2012, 9:22 AM
“I've been very clear that an assault rifle ban, banning these high capacity clips, background checks, that there are a set of issues that I have historically supported and will continue to support,” said the president.

No more speculation.

a good friend of mine pointed out that he has never seen a president so intent on dividing the nation and pushing for civil unrest.

That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM!

Soundslikesight
12-30-2012, 9:26 AM
a good friend of mine pointed out that he has never seen a president so intent on dividing the nation and pushing for civil unrest.

Really? I think that's absurd. I personally don't think he gives a crap about gun control in relation to other issues he would much rather focus on. However there is no possible way he could stand idly by (like he has done for the last 4+ years) with every gun ignorant person screaming for gun control. He's going through the motions he has to to retain his political clout with those he knows he will need behind him when it comes to issues he does care about. Would you expect a Chicago politician Harvard grad to step out and get behind us? Frankly if the media and real douchbag antis like Feinstein shut their face mounted sphinkters I think he would be happy to let the issue fade into the background ( like he's done every other time the gun control bee hive got rattled.)
Considering he's one of the few Dems telling everyone to calm down and take it slow, all the while you got these "Nra a rated" GOP member spouting off about how "they hunt and don't need these kinds of guns", I don't understand where some people's silly statements like above come from. I promise that every vocal, ship jumper congressman does far more damage to our cause than Obama making statements like he has been. Does anyone honestly think he cares enough about the subject to try and pass an executive order against firearms or ammunition. Because there isn't a chance in hell he would do that. If Feinstein was pres.... Probably.......

Flame on..

CessnaDriver
12-30-2012, 9:29 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.


OH?
If Fast and Furious had not been exposed what the hell do you think he was going to do? He said we were responsible and something had to be done until he got busted.

You think the people he will appoint to the SCOTUS are on our side??? LOL

SO enough of the BS he is some gun loving pal of ours.

Are you that foolish???


“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” said Obama in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.” -Obama

He's been salivating at an event like this to happen!

He made it happen in Mexico, now he is launching their attack on liberty off of
a tragedy here, a tragedy because he and his kind have kept armed citizens from going into gun free zones.



Wake up!

Soundslikesight
12-30-2012, 9:31 AM
That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM![/QUOTE]

Don't forget eat all our children and violate our women.

97F1504RAD
12-30-2012, 9:31 AM
I was watching Face the Nation this morning and although they may be attemtping to go after guns one of the ladies on FTN who use to work for Di Fi says her bill is to stringent and it will go nowhere and there will NOT be an AWB of any kind.

Soundslikesight
12-30-2012, 9:32 AM
That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM![/QUOTE]

Don't forget eat all our children and violate our women.

CessnaDriver
12-30-2012, 9:35 AM
That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM!

Don't forget eat all our children and violate our women.[/QUOTE]


Some of his followers just might when the "free" stuff stops flowing
and they start getting hungry. He is setting this nation up for a
hard crash afterall. The math does not lie, anyone denying that
is living in a fool's paradise.

Mg911guy
12-30-2012, 9:50 AM
I expect an answer from those here that supported Obama and said he would not go after guns.
You know who you are.
Where are you? What are your thoughts on supporting Obama now????

^^^This, "We told you so" yeah I said it!!

Skidmark
12-30-2012, 9:55 AM
You're delusional. Seek help. Seriously.
I think he's made it quite obvious gun control is on the front burner.

Gun control on the front burner is not the same thing as "going after" our guns. Get real. No one has lost any guns under Obama.

Gun control and gun rights are not mutually exclusive, and any rational firearms owner knows this.

turinreza
12-30-2012, 10:07 AM
I predict China will take back Taiwan with all the infighting among the States in 2013

therealnickb
12-30-2012, 10:19 AM
Gun control on the front burner is not the same thing as "going after" our guns. Get real. No one has lost any guns under Obama.

Gun control and gun rights are not mutually exclusive, and any rational firearms owner knows this.

So what you are saying is "I got mine, screw anyone that want an AR in the future"?

97F1504RAD
12-30-2012, 10:20 AM
I predict all hell is going to break loose in Syria and the entire region in 2013

Skidmark
12-30-2012, 10:42 AM
So what you are saying is "I got mine, screw anyone that want an AR in the future"?

Better hurry and get one (or some more) while you still can! :rolleyes:

The FUD is exceptionally heavy on this, and has sure been a boon to gun sales. I expect a clever person will always be able to buy an AR, as any legislation passing out of Congress will be rife with loopholes - some gaping and some narrow.

Jack L
12-30-2012, 10:44 AM
Watch his Meet The Press interview today. Guns...He forgot to even list it as his priority until Gregory reminded him. That is going to take way too much time and energy to push through anything fast. This will be a long battle and one that will not end to the liking of the anti gun groups. The second half of the show, the pundits said the same. It has to come from the people not the president and the majority are still not on board, probably never will be.

mt4design
12-30-2012, 10:44 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

Would you argue with the words directly out of his mouth?

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” Obama said in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.”

“I've been very clear that an assault-rifle ban, banning these high capacity clips, background checks, that there are a set of issues that I have historically supported and will continue to support,” the president said.

“I'd like to get it done in the first year. I will put forward a very specific proposal based on the recommendations that Joe Biden's task force is putting together as we speak. And so this is not something that I will be putting off."


“I am not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. I am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. And I think the vast majority of the American people are skeptical that that somehow is going to solve our problem,” he said.

and, from the article...

But he has also called on Congress to move quickly to reinstate the federal assault weapons ban and a ban on the sale of high-capacity magazines.

Obama on Sunday repeated those calls and said he would meet with lawmakers on both sides of the aisles to see action.

mossy
12-30-2012, 10:48 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

So what was fast and furious gun walking all about???? You 0bama supporters are a different breed.

frankm
12-30-2012, 10:56 AM
That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM!

And institute a socialist and/or communist goverment, remember he said, "fundamentally change the USA". And his actions point to this as the goal. Show me where they do not?

mt4design
12-30-2012, 11:01 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

Watch his Meet The Press interview today. Guns...He forgot to even list it as his priority until Gregory reminded him. That is going to take way too much time and energy to push through anything fast. This will be a long battle and one that will not end to the liking of the anti gun groups. The second half of the show, the pundits said the same. It has to come from the people not the president and the majority are still not on board, probably never will be.

The majority of people were never behind Obamacare. The majority of people were never behind higher taxes to support it and they still aren't. First, they tried to sell it as a "fee", and when that didn't work they just stopped lying and admitted it was a tax.

The majority of people were not behind bailing out banks or GM and Chrysler.

The majority of people were not behind the stimulus bills, QE 1, QE 2, and the present practice of QE without end.

I doubt that if the people knew what was in NDAA they would support it.

I doubt that if they knew about Fast and Furious they would support that.

Those are only a handful of examples of how the government under this President have infringed upon the Constitution.

I didn't mention using entities like Google, YouTube and Facebook to monitor AND control free speech.

I didn't mention the intentional disregard of law to push an agenda nor the abuse of power to quash the ability of the States to enforce the same laws. In fact, I didn't mention the abuse of power by the Justice Department to go after and intimidate or prosecute those who tried to enforce existing law.

This President and his administration has shown little regard for the Constitution, only viewing it as an inconvenience.

Do you remember what Obama was doing before the Fast and Furious broke?

He was standing with the Mexican President calling for an end to the flow of "assault rifles" from the United States into Mexico because they were being used to kill thousands of innocent Mexicans.

He did this while his Justice Department was letting guns walk illegally and pressured gun shop owners to comply with the illegal activity.

He was setting us up!

I have no illusion regarding the FACT that this president disregards anything the U.S. Constitution says.

He parties with Bill Ayers and listened for years to the likes of Wright and was mentored by "Card Number 47544", Frank Marshall Davis, card carrying member of the communist party.

Believe what you will. If facts are inconvenient, disregard them. Eventually, reality bites.

Mike

victor1echo
12-30-2012, 12:59 PM
Originally Posted by Soundslikesight View Post
That's because he is pushing an agenda, not leading the American people. He wants to disarm our country, flood it with illegal aliens, and destroy the dollar at the same time. Thereby destroying our culture and security at the same time. TRAITOR! SCUM!
Don't forget eat all our children and violate our women.
[/QUOTE]

Some of his followers just might when the "free" stuff stops flowing
and they start getting hungry. He is setting this nation up for a
hard crash afterall. The math does not lie, anyone denying that
is living in a fool's paradise.

We are in the process of being bolsheviked--collectivism; and when the majority won't go along with you; disarm them; those who won't go along will be killed. It has all happened before in other countries; but not quite here. And we have a history or rather , a culture of resourcefulness, pioneer spirit, and coming together. So, just because they want to and will try does not mean they will.

therealnickb
12-30-2012, 1:07 PM
Better hurry and get one (or some more) while you still can! :rolleyes:

The FUD is exceptionally heavy on this, and has sure been a boon to gun sales. I expect a clever person will always be able to buy an AR, as any legislation passing out of Congress will be rife with loopholes - some gaping and some narrow.
I'm thinking about selling one I don't use actually.

But to the point, o is trying to and damn well will sign any bill that shows up if it took AR's away. The fact that it may be flawed or that crooks can still get a weapon doesn't change o's desire.

Yet you deny and defend or justify. Atta boy....

Jaxpire
12-30-2012, 3:03 PM
This feels and sounds just like 1991 and 1994. We have the supporters and the few that just don't think it will happen. It's happened before and they will try to do it again and this time it is worse than any time before it.

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 3:16 PM
This feels and sounds just like 1991 and 1994. We have the supporters and the few that just don't think it will happen. It's happened before and they will try to do it again and this time it is worse than any time before it.

Yes but then was before the internet and also was very low key to today. This will not get slipped uder like it did in 94. This will be the next political civil War and will divide the country even more

Tarn_Helm
12-30-2012, 3:21 PM
And there will be resistance. Also he will push immigration reform. What a guy!
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/274881-obama-hopes-to-enact-new-gun-control-measures-in-2013

“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” said Obama in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.”

"going to try to go after"
:facepalm:

IBTL!
:D

SilverTauron
12-30-2012, 3:24 PM
Yes but then was before the internet and also was very low key to today. This will not get slipped uder like it did in 94. This will be the next political civil War and will divide the country even more

Keep dreaming. People don't care enough about freedom to give a damn these days. As long as Obama doesn't send the 101st Airborne to seize anyone's 30-30 , the noise of opposition from gun owners will be the chants of crickets. Don't be the least bit shocked if Feinsteins AWB flies through the House of Representatives.

mosinnagantm9130
12-30-2012, 3:25 PM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

You're joking right? He quite literally just said "I'd like to get it done in the first year. This is not something I will be putting off."

RMP91
12-30-2012, 3:32 PM
Keep dreaming. People don't care enough about freedom to give a damn these days. As long as Obama doesn't send the 101st Airborne to seize anyone's 30-30 , the noise of opposition from gun owners will be the chants of crickets. Don't be the least bit shocked if Feinsteins AWB flies through the House of Representatives.

That sounds an awful lot like "giving up" and "throwing in the towel" to me...

I'm not a quitter, and I pray to God Almighty himself that you aren't...

I don't back down in the face of impossible odds...

We've beat them before, we'll do it again! Mark my words...

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 3:49 PM
Keep dreaming. People don't care enough about freedom to give a damn these days. As long as Obama doesn't send the 101st Airborne to seize anyone's 30-30 , the noise of opposition from gun owners will be the chants of crickets. Don't be the least bit shocked if Feinsteins AWB flies through the House of Representatives.

I think your in for a shock. People are rising up and we will be heard. I KNOW Mrs. Dumb ****s bill will not pass house. You are sadly mistaken if you think it will pass. At worst I see country having California like lAws. The pres. said he need the American people to come together to get it to work. that is not whats going to happen. Many support for gun control is diminishing and the crazy panic buying is the biggest voice of all. Millions are buying and many are 1st time buyers. This will not be like 94. Especially many vets and military are supporting pro gun, this will get ugly but stand your ground and stop being so weak

RMP91
12-30-2012, 3:51 PM
I think your in for a shock. People are rising up and we will be heard. I KNOW Mrs. Dumb ****s bill will not pass house. You are sadly mistaken if you think it will pass. At worst I see country having California like lAws. The pres. said he need the American people to come together to get it to work. that is not whats going to happen. Many support for gun control is diminishing and the crazy panic buying is the biggest voice of all. Millions are buying and many are 1st time buyers. This will not be like 94. Especially many vets and military are supporting pro gun, this will get ugly but stand your ground and stop being so weak

We need more people like you! Thank you for your service! Do not lose hope! :patriot:

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 3:52 PM
That sounds an awful lot like "giving up" and "throwing in the towel" to me...

I'm not a quitter, and I pray to God Almighty himself that you aren't...

I don't back down in the face of impossible odds...

We've beat them before, we'll do it again! Mark my words...

People these are Not impossible odds. You all let the liberal media get in your heads. There is alot more support for the right then many of you think. If you think THE WHOLE SOUTH UNITED STATES IS JUST GONNA ALLOW IT. YOU ARE SADLY SADLY MISTAKEN. WE WILL OVERCOME

VIVA LA RESISTANCE
Rump this is for the post you commented on, not your reply sorry.

Country Woodpecker
12-30-2012, 3:52 PM
I just love how he is SO focused on issues like healthcare and now guns all the while lets just kick the can or flat out not care to solve all the economic issues at hand. Seems it is not an issue worth fighting for and hasn't been since he was elected. I fear what it will take to actually get the politicians to man up and make change that is right for America. I'm afraid most of the current group just aren't up to the task.

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navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 3:53 PM
We need more people like you! Thank you for your service! Do not lose hope! :patriot:

My pleasure. We will not be oppressed, we will stand our ground. This is OUR country DAMMIT, NOT THERES ONLY

manuelcardenas77
12-30-2012, 3:54 PM
Considering what most off you guys predicated around election time, with this issue I bet not much happens

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 3:55 PM
I just love how he is SO focused on issues like healthcare and now guns all the while lets just kick the can or flat out not care to solve all the economic issues at hand. Seems it is not an issue worth fighting for and hasn't been since he was elected. I fear what it will take to actually get the politicians to man up and make change that is right for America. I'm afraid most of the current group just aren't up to the task.

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The republican led house loves opposing BAMA. GUN BILLS WILL NOT PAS HOUSE

SilverTauron
12-30-2012, 4:07 PM
I think your in for a shock. People are rising up and we will be heard. I KNOW Mrs. Dumb ****s bill will not pass house. You are sadly mistaken if you think it will pass. At worst I see country having California like lAws. The pres. said he need the American people to come together to get it to work. that is not whats going to happen. Many support for gun control is diminishing and the crazy panic buying is the biggest voice of all. Millions are buying and many are 1st time buyers. This will not be like 94. Especially many vets and military are supporting pro gun, this will get ugly but stand your ground and stop being so weak

I see my comment has been interpreted to be cowardice.

Let me be clear on something. I call a situation like I see it. If every gun owner I spoke to was politically active and walked the tough talk I see on forums like this I'd be right with you guys.

Yet, that's not what I see. Instead what I see are AR15 owners saying that 20 kids being shot means we need to do something. What I see are people buying into the media spin. What I see ,all around me, are politically ignorant drones who take what the media spoon feeds them at face value.And Right now the main course is Gun Control.

The scope of what we face is as daunting as the 300 Spartans faced at the Hot Gates against the armies of King Xerxes. At no time did I nor am I now advocating quitting, any more then King Leonidas did at Thermopylae . Yet you all are staring at the Persian Army bearing down on us and LAUGHING! We got them beat! you all say. We've done it before! They can't win! We have THE HOUSE ! The Constitution says they can't do that! Another AWB will never pass! There's gonna be another civil war!

Well chaps, forgive me if im holding my shield and spear with a realistic consideration of the odds. There is no room in this fight for illusions or self-deceptive hubris.

fizux
12-30-2012, 4:17 PM
Well chaps, forgive me if im holding my shield and spear with a realistic consideration of the odds. There is no room in this fight for illusions or self-deceptive hubris.

Especially due to the supermajority in Sacramento. They have a habit of passing legislation in spite of Court decisions, with the knowledge that it will take 3-5 years for us to overturn, and that they can just tax us more to cover any attorney fee award.

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:23 PM
I see my comment has been interpreted to be cowardice.

Let me be clear on something. I call a situation like I see it. If every gun owner I spoke to was politically active and walked the tough talk I see on forums like this I'd be right with you guys.

Yet, that's not what I see. Instead what I see are AR15 owners saying that 20 kids being shot means we need to do something. What I see are people buying into the media spin. What I see ,all around me, are politically ignorant drones who take what the media spoon feeds them at face value.And Right now the main course is Gun Control.

The scope of what we face is as daunting as the 300 Spartans faced at the Hot Gates against the armies of King Xerxes. At no time did I nor am I now advocating quitting, any more then King Leonidas did at Thermopylae . Yet you all are staring at the Persian Army bearing down on us and LAUGHING! We got them beat! you all say. We've done it before! They can't win! We have THE HOUSE ! The Constitution says they can't do that! Another AWB will never pass! There's gonna be another civil war!

Well chaps, forgive me if im holding my shield and spear with a realistic consideration of the odds. There is no room in this fight for illusions or self-deceptive hubris.

Well you and I hang around different crowds cause many i speak to through my military outlets and many people I stop and talk to are mostly against gun control. Again this time is ALOT dif. than 94, many were mis informed and there wernt 3 million Ar15 owners let alone all the people who own the weapons on the proposed banned list. There are making more enemies for themselves. Again no one will really know what happens but yet you sound like someone that wants to sit back and watch. Have you written your represenatives, have you donated to calguns, NRA if you haven't then you have thrown in the towel.

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:25 PM
I see my comment has been interpreted to be cowardice.

Let me be clear on something. I call a situation like I see it. If every gun owner I spoke to was politically active and walked the tough talk I see on forums like this I'd be right with you guys.

Yet, that's not what I see. Instead what I see are AR15 owners saying that 20 kids being shot means we need to do something. What I see are people buying into the media spin. What I see ,all around me, are politically ignorant drones who take what the media spoon feeds them at face value.And Right now the main course is Gun Control.

The scope of what we face is as daunting as the 300 Spartans faced at the Hot Gates against the armies of King Xerxes. At no time did I nor am I now advocating quitting, any more then King Leonidas did at Thermopylae . Yet you all are staring at the Persian Army bearing down on us and LAUGHING! We got them beat! you all say. We've done it before! They can't win! We have THE HOUSE ! The Constitution says they can't do that! Another AWB will never pass! There's gonna be another civil war!

Well chaps, forgive me if im holding my shield and spear with a realistic consideration of the odds. There is no room in this fight for illusions or self-deceptive hubris.

the Ar-15 owners you know, obviously are misinformed and need to take time to look at the FACTS.

thmpr
12-30-2012, 4:26 PM
If the Sandy incident did not happen, would the AWB agenda come to existance?

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:27 PM
Even after Sandy hook and all many people still FAVoR NRA and Although polls may mean crap, the washigton post(Most liberal paper ever) latest poll show 46% support AWB and Gun control. Humans are emotion driven and lefties are banking in on it. To bad it wont be a fast thing and people will open there eyes(Hopefully).

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:29 PM
If the Sandy incident did not happen, would the AWB agenda come to existance?

hell no

The NRA is seen as garbage for remaining silent for a week

while libtards are already pushing legislation before bodies were even removed, Sad that people cant see how disgusting that is.

This country is slowly going to ****, Obama was right, he was gonna bring change, to bad he forgot to mention for the worse

SilverTauron
12-30-2012, 4:31 PM
the Ar-15 owners you know, obviously are misinformed and need to take time to look at the FACTS.

Take a look around next time you're at the mall.

Ask yourself this question as you take in the sights: does it look like anyone you see gives a damn about facts anymore?

You see ,the facts are all around us. Fast and Furious is documented on so much paper you could blow through a ream printing off the hearing transcripts. The Federal Budget is Public Domain. The national debt isn't a state secret either, and neither is Obamacare.

Such information in a society of fact-based voters would spell Obama's political demise. Yet he stands ready to begin Term 2.

Facts are meaningless if people willingly choose to believe a lie.

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:47 PM
Take a look around next time you're at the mall.

Ask yourself this question as you take in the sights: does it look like anyone you see gives a damn about facts anymore?

You see ,the facts are all around us. Fast and Furious is documented on so much paper you could blow through a ream printing off the hearing transcripts. The Federal Budget is Public Domain. The national debt isn't a state secret either, and neither is Obamacare.

Such information in a society of fact-based voters would spell Obama's political demise. Yet he stands ready to begin Term 2.

Facts are meaningless if people willingly choose to believe a lie.

I agree with parts but again the gun control people are already slowly losing there momentum and support than they had a week ago and time is will get less and less like IT ALWAYS DOES

SilverTauron
12-30-2012, 4:54 PM
I agree with parts but again the gun control people are already slowly losing there momentum and support than they had a week ago and time is will get less and less like IT ALWAYS DOES

This is an assumption, not a statement of fact. Basing actions off of assumptions can lead to one's ruin.

Like the stock market ads say at the bottom of the page, "Past Performance is No Indicator of Future Behavior".

navycorpsman
12-30-2012, 4:55 PM
This is an assumption, not a statement of fact. Basing actions off of assumptions can lead to one's ruin.

Like the stock market ads say at the bottom of the page, "Past Performance is No Indicator of Future Behavior".

They are already losing momentum NOW. Thats why obama is on meet the press today urging americans to support him, cause he DOES NOT HAVE WHAT THE MEDIA MAKES YOU BELIEVE. I am done with this though. We will resume when the bill fails or passes

yellowfin
12-30-2012, 8:22 PM
You're joking right? He quite literally just said "I'd like to get it done in the first year. This is not something I will be putting off."The reliability of what comes out of his mouth being the truth is something around hitting 00 three times consecutively on a roulette wheel. The only reason ANY of us are concerned at all is not because he said it, but that we know it's actually what he would want to do regardless of whether he opens his repulsive mouth or not.

CitaDeL
12-30-2012, 8:53 PM
“Where the people fear the government you have tyranny. Where the government fears the people you have liberty.” —John Basil Barnhill

If Obama and the unseen powers at work are so determined to remove arms from the People, in the context of the above quotation you have prima facia evidence that they fear the consequences of advancing into a future wherein they are held accountable for malfeasance, corruption and treason that they perpetrate upon those they would govern.

I would also say that it is a good barometer of the importance of holding this line against registration or seizure of arms at all costs. This is the last refuge. This is the final rampart.

If Sandy Hook had not happened, anti-gunners would have sought out another catalyst for the progression of their fondest desires. We should not treat any bill uttered by any division of our government that seek to deny us arms lightly, or wager that odds are still in our favor.

We ought to regard the following quote as true today as it was then;

“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.”- Patrick Henry

mt4design
12-30-2012, 10:22 PM
If Obama and the unseen powers at work are so determined to remove arms from the People, in the context of the above quotation you have prima facia evidence that they fear the consequences of advancing into a future wherein they are held accountable for malfeasance, corruption and treason that they perpetrate upon those they would govern.

I would also say that it is a good barometer of the importance of holding this line against registration or seizure of arms at all costs. This is the last refuge. This is the final rampart.

If Sandy Hook had not happened, anti-gunners would have sought out another catalyst for the progression of their fondest desires. We should not treat any bill uttered by any division of our government that seek to deny us arms lightly, or wager that odds are still in our favor.

We ought to regard the following quote as true today as it was then;

Absolutely!

If they can come for my arms, next they will come for my tongue.

How quickly will liberty cease and with it inalienable rights if we surrender without resistance that which they cannot take legally?

The threatening actions of those who would act against the rights bestowed upon us by our Creator are illegal actions. Thus, they are engaging in criminal acts against the Constitution and the very oath they are sworn to when they take office.

The Second Amendment is the ultimate check on the government engaging in the very activity they are threatening.

I am an artist.

How quickly will they act to control what I can create once they show they can violate the Bill of Rights?

How quickly will forums such as this be shut down when they can decide what can and cannot be said?

What stories will be cleared for print or broadcast?

Which politicians will be acceptable to run as "opponents" against the powerfully entrenched?

First, they'll take my arms. Next, they will come for my tongue. Then, they can take my life and no one will hear me scream out.

History, coming full circle.

Our Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves.

saint7
12-30-2012, 10:47 PM
Gun control on the front burner is not the same thing as "going after" our guns. Get real. No one has lost any guns under Obama.

Gun control and gun rights are not mutually exclusive, and any rational firearms owner knows this.

LOL... so far... but it is coming!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDglpt8hpyg&feature=youtu.be

johnny1290
12-31-2012, 12:02 AM
Everybody knows what comes next after they take our guns.

If you don't, just ask the Indians.

dieselpower
12-31-2012, 1:10 AM
Obama didn't go after guns in his first year. And he won't be "going after" our guns in his fifth year, either.

He has already stepped back on this by delegating it to Biden. They may try but nothing will pass except maybe some mandatory background checks on private party sales. JMHO...c good

I was watching Face the Nation this morning and although they may be attemtping to go after guns one of the ladies on FTN who use to work for Di Fi says her bill is to stringent and it will go nowhere and there will NOT be an AWB of any kind.

Better hurry and get one (or some more) while you still can! :rolleyes:

The FUD is exceptionally heavy on this, and has sure been a boon to gun sales. I expect a clever person will always be able to buy an AR, as any legislation passing out of Congress will be rife with loopholes - some gaping and some narrow.

Considering what most off you guys predicated around election time, with this issue I bet not much happens

wow...insert head into sand...nothing much happening here...:rolleyes:

Full Clip
12-31-2012, 1:20 AM
Yes, elections have consequences.
Wait until BHO gets to select a couple more Supreme Court justices...

victor1echo
12-31-2012, 4:13 AM
I wanted to post this thread to show how my (our) paranoia is based on facts. And I was hoping quotes from the horse's mouth could bring us together. This fight is going to require that we put aside some of our differences and man up to the task like one Josh Boston who wrote in his letter to Whore-stine :
I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government's right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma'am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one.
Leaders lead by actions, and Mr. Boston is doing a fine job!

the86d
12-31-2012, 4:21 AM
...and all the lib-tards stated that democrats are not after our guns (like the NRA has been stating especially regarding Obama) are obviously higher than Hendricks on New Year's Eve...

True faces of Evil:
http://i.huffpost.com/gen/857494/thumbs/s-DIANNE-FEINSTEIN-DAVID-PETRAEUS-large.jpg?4
Can't see real logic...


http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5089c0826bb3f71620000001-400-300/barack-obama.jpg
Ermahgerd, you don't need that pesky 2nd Amendment... (It only STATES RIGHTS OF FREE PEOPLE...)

TheDM
12-31-2012, 5:00 AM
IMHO the President is just grandstanding on an issue to appease his base, because it will never make it through the house and he knows this. It's just another shiny bobble so while arguing about the fiscal cliff, no one sees the debt limit.

victor1echo
12-31-2012, 5:05 AM
A little info on DIFI, and why she might not want the public armed.
In 1980, Feinstein married Richard C. Blum, an investment banker. In 2003, Feinstein was ranked the fifth-wealthiest senator, with an estimated net worth of $26 million.[10] By 2005 her net worth had increased to between $43 million and $99 million.[11] Her 347-page financial-disclosure statement[12] – characterized by the San Francisco Chronicle as "nearly the size of a phone book" – draws clear lines between her assets and those of her husband, with many of her assets in blind trusts.[13]
wiki
What is a blind trust?
Blind trusts are generally used when a settlor (sometimes called a trustor or donor) wishes to keep the beneficiary unaware of the specific assets in the trust, such as to avoid conflict of interest between the beneficiary and the investments. Politicians or others in sensitive positions often place their personal assets (including investment income) into blind trusts, to avoid public scrutiny and accusations of conflicts of interest when they direct government funds to the private sector.wiki

That's real nice, huh?

From above post
When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.
-- Benjamin Franklin
How ironic.

CDFingers
12-31-2012, 5:21 AM
At the Federal level, there exist insufficient votes to pass a so-called "assault weapons" ban. The House will stop it.

There are two areas where sufficient votes may exist: magazine size and private party transfers.

If we waste our energy whining about "assault weapons," we'll end up with regulations against magazine size and regulations about private party transfers at the Federal level.

CDFingers

victor1echo
12-31-2012, 6:09 AM
Let's connect a few dots here:
creeping TSA checkpoints, from bus stations to football games,
DHS buying millions of rounds, and even many other department's such as social security entering the gov panic buying,
the passage of the NDAA, where an American citizen can be arrested and held indefinitely.
Meanwhile, there is absolutely no enforcement of our boarders, other than to harass citizens in our own states,
the endless wars are a form of austerity, which rob our children of an education and any real future;
which lead to more taxes, more printing of money, higher inflation and even less services--like police, fireman, teachers, etc.
If you step back and look at the picture, you can see where this is going --societal collapse. This is not the time to be talking about giving up our precious god given rights, if anything we should be expanding them. The fifth column has entered the city, bribed the guards to open the gates. The intruders are here and we are waking up to it. Will they create order out of chaos, or can we bring law to the chaotic ones?