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JTecalo
12-29-2012, 12:35 PM
Any 308 Garand owners here. I was thinking about getting the CMP Garand with the 308 barrel.

Any pros/cons with it?

thanks
Jim

6mmintl
12-29-2012, 4:01 PM
Best way to go if going to use out to 600 yards for silhouette, Highpower, or mid range shooting.

Only need accurizing ($500) to get competitive out to 1000 yards.

Run smoother and less recoil.

blazer
12-29-2012, 4:01 PM
About 20 years ago I had my Springfield Garand converted to .308 since it needed a new barrel and .308 was plentiful and cheaper than 30.06. Fed Ord, which eventually went out of business, did the conversion and the rifle has operated flawlessly since. It does not have or need the spacer that everyone talks about. It has worked great with all kinds of surplus .308 over the years so I've been very happy with it. You will need to ask yourself why you want the Garand, for historical reasons or more as a shooter and then decide. Staying with 30.06 is historically correct but if you intend to do alot of shooting then either one should be fine depending upon the cost of the ammo.

blazer
12-29-2012, 4:02 PM
About 20 years ago I had my Springfield Garand converted to .308 since it needed a new barrel and .308 was plentiful and cheaper than 30.06. Fed Ord, which eventually went out of business, did the conversion and the rifle has operated flawlessly since. It does not have or need the spacer that everyone talks about. It has worked great with all kinds of surplus .308 over the years so I've been very happy with it. You will need to ask yourself why you want the Garand, for historical reasons or more as a shooter and then decide. Staying with 30.06 is historically correct but if you intend to do alot of shooting then either one should be fine depending upon the cost of the ammo.

pro-nra
12-29-2012, 4:15 PM
Run smoother.You are saying that a U.S. RIFLE CAL .30 M1 is in 7.62X63/30-06 will not run as smooth as a 7.62x51/308? You will have to elaborate on that statement as to what makes it "smoother".

It does not have or need the spacer that everyone talks about. It has worked great with all kinds of surplus .308 over the years so I've been very happy with it.
The spacer is not required for the rifle to operate. It just prevent idiots from inserting a clip loaded with the longer 30-06.

deac777
12-29-2012, 5:38 PM
I have a Springfield Garand that was converted to shoot 308 win. over 20 years ago. It shoots really good, with no functioning problems. It was called at the time by the company that did the conversion "Tanker Garand". It has a shorter barrel and smaller stock. It looks like a Garand carbine, if such a thing exist.

deac777
12-29-2012, 5:38 PM
I have a Springfield Garand that was converted to shoot 308 win. over 20 years ago. It shoots really good, with no functioning problems. It was called at the time by the company that did the conversion "Tanker Garand". It has a shorter barrel and smaller stock. It looks like a Garand carbine, if such a thing exist.

OldShooter32
12-29-2012, 5:51 PM
I have an '06 Garand and two .308's and they all shoot well out beyond 600. Wish I did too...

6mmintl
12-29-2012, 6:18 PM
Juanito, "Smoother", nicer recoil impulse!

Pete1979
12-29-2012, 7:39 PM
The 308 M1 is a neat idea and they do shoot well but I prefer the M1A to a conversion.

JTecalo
12-29-2012, 7:58 PM
thanks for the info. I had a '53 CMP Garand in 30-06 and I loved it, but had to sell it to pay the rent a couple of years back.

I'm now able to get another one from CMP and have been looking at the 308 only because I may have access to a lot of 308 ammo at a "offer I can't refuse" price.

Recoil is not an issue and I can't see well enough to shoot 1000yds.

Jim

pro-nra
12-29-2012, 9:03 PM
People that know me from the matches I shoot knows that I'm very timid when it comes to recoil. Unlike a hard kicking rifle like a 1903/03-A3, Garand are the softest recoiling 30-06 milsurp rifle. Very mild and gentle on the shoulder so it is "Smoother" as well in my book.

This is just my $0.20 opinion: If I want a 308 Garand I will get an M1A. If I want a Garand it will be in 30-06.

smle-man
12-29-2012, 9:19 PM
I have a 7.62mm M1 rifle and like it a lot.

OldShooter32
12-29-2012, 10:00 PM
I own both M1A's and .308 M1's and do prefer the M1A for serious shooting. I was comparing the '06 Garand to the 7.62 Garand and frankly, they both shoot about the same for me. Recoil difference is negligible and ballistics are very similar.

OldShooter32
12-29-2012, 10:01 PM
I own both M1A's and .308 M1's and do prefer the M1A for serious shooting. I was comparing the '06 Garand to the 7.62 Garand and frankly, they both shoot about the same for me. Recoil difference is negligible and ballistics are very similar.

pro-nra
12-29-2012, 10:15 PM
I have a 7.62mm M1 rifle and like it a lot.

All my Garands are also 7.62mm but it's 7.62X63mm and not X51.:D

smle-man
12-29-2012, 11:29 PM
All my Garands are also 7.62mm but it's 7.62X63mm and not X51.:D

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/PC250009.jpg

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff237/smle-man/1941receiver.jpg

Yep

metalliman545
12-30-2012, 8:47 AM
Schooled hahaha.
I have a spam can of .30-06
It says Cal .30 AP-M2

All the 7.62 ammo cans I've seen said "7.62mm- m13 cartons M80ball blah blah blah.
I've never seen 7.62x63 or a 7.62x51 marked

TRAP55
12-30-2012, 8:56 AM
Juanito, "Smoother", nicer recoil impulse!
I agree with Frank, I have one in 06 and one in .308, the .308 is much more pleasant to shoot. I installed a Dillon muzzle brake that really makes it nice to shoot.

JTecalo
12-30-2012, 1:27 PM
I agree with Frank, I have one in 06 and one in .308, the .308 is much more pleasant to shoot. I installed a Dillon muzzle brake that really makes it nice to shoot.

The recoil on the 30.06 garand I used to have wasn't really anything. Far less than I had anticipated, so the 308 would be a pleasant surprise.

Like I said I have access to a few full cases of 308. At this point the 308 ammo price from my friend makes it a good deal if there aren't any big problems with the cmp 308's.

I would like a M1A but my budget doesn't allow for 1800-2000 right now.

Can you use commercial 308 ammo in these CMP rifles or are they like the 30-06's no commercial ammo without a modified gas plug.

pro-nra
12-30-2012, 3:22 PM
All the 7.62 ammo cans I've seen said "7.62mm- m13 cartons M80ball blah blah blah.
I've never seen 7.62x63 or a 7.62x51 marked

7.62 is a generic description as it could refer to any 7.62 caliber including the Russian rounds. 7.62x63 is the 30-06 and 7.62x51 is the 308.M80 , M72, M2 etc is the US military designation for a particular round.

joemoia
12-31-2012, 4:58 AM
Can you use commercial 308 ammo in these CMP rifles or are they like the 30-06's no commercial ammo without a modified gas plug.

I purchased a CMP 308 special grade several months ago. The CMP 308's shoot modern 308 ammo with no mods required

JTecalo
12-31-2012, 11:06 AM
I purchased a CMP 308 special grade several months ago. The CMP 308's shoot modern 308 ammo with no mods required

thanks for the reply Joemoia, I thought that it was the case but was not positive.

Jim

joemoia
01-01-2013, 5:10 AM
thanks for the reply Joemoia, I thought that it was the case but was not positive.

Jim

To your original question:

Pros:

1. You are getting a "new" (ie remanufactured) Garand w/new barrel and stock. On my Garand the trrigger group has an extremely tight lock up and I need to use a couple of fingers to manipulate the safety. Out-of-box accuracy is outstanding.

2. As stated above, it will shoot modern 308/7.62 ammo with no modification required. It uses the same enblocs as the 30-06 and has a phenolic spacer in the mag well to prohibit loading 30-06 enblocs by mistake. 308/7.62 ammo is more affordable than 30-06 . I've been shooting 147 GR FMJ and 150 GR SP PPU ammo that I picked up in bulk purchase at gun shows

3. Felt recoil is less than the 30-06, although IMO the 30-06 recoil is relatively mild.


Cons:

1. Although you are getting an original SA receiver (my SN indicates Mar. 1945 mfg. date) the rifle has little/no historical value.

2. AFAIK, the CMP 308 special grade Garand is not considered a C&R (unlike the original Navy MK2's), so subsequent XFRS must be handled the same as any modern rifle.

JTecalo
01-01-2013, 5:28 AM
To your original question:

Pros:

1. You are getting a "new" (ie remanufactured) Garand w/new barrel and stock. On my Garand the trrigger group has an extremely tight lock up and I need to use a couple of fingers to manipulate the safety. Out-of-box accuracy is outstanding.

2. As stated above, it will shoot modern 308/7.62 ammo with no modification required. It uses the same enblocs as the 30-06 and has a phenolic spacer in the mag well to prohibit loading 30-06 enblocs by mistake. 308/7.62 ammo is more affordable than 30-06 . I've been shooting 147 GR FMJ and 150 GR SP PPU ammo that I picked up in bulk purchase at gun shows

3. Felt recoil is less than the 30-06, although IMO the 30-06 recoil is relatively mild.


Cons:

1. Although you are getting an original SA receiver (my SN indicates Mar. 1945 mfg. date) the rifle has little/no historical value.

2. AFAIK, the CMP 308 special grade Garand is not considered a C&R (unlike the original Navy MK2's), so subsequent XFRS must be handled the same as any modern rifle.

Again thanks for the reply. This was the info I was looking for.

I agree the recoil on the 30,06 Garand I had was not a problem for me at all.

Jim