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Ub3rD0rk
12-24-2012, 1:50 AM
A good friend of mine was going through some boxes of stuff he inherited after his grandmother passed away. In one of the boxes he came across 3 old pistols as asked me to see if I could find any info on them. He has no back story on any of them other than the box they came out of looked to have been sealed up a very long time. They all look to be in rough shape and for one reason or another do not work properly. Just curious if anyone could tell me something about them and possible worth.

the first pistol looks to be a colt (if not fake)
Markings:
left side of frame "COLT PATENT"
Top of Barrel: "Address Col Saml Colt New-York U.S.A."
Frame and trigger guard: "38937"
Cylinder: "1853?"
http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0640_zps7f8946eb.jpg

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0642_zps65e67491.jpg

Next up is a Smith and Wesson. It looks like it has been painted black at some point, but really not in bad shape. It seems to operate fine other than a missing or broken hammer spring.

Markings:
Top of barrel: "Smith & Wesson Springfield Mass USA Pat'D Jan 17 & 24.65 July 11.65 Aug 24.69 Feb 20.1877 Reissue July 25 ????"
Bottom of grip: "7750"

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0658_zpsfdfb683f.jpg

Next is a Japanese Pistol

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0653_zps2785f0ba.jpg

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0652-1_zpsb3d6a519.jpg

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0655_zps1d0efe4e.jpg

I'm sorry for the crappy cell phone pics as thats what I had available. Any help is greatly appreciated.

Ub3rD0rk
12-24-2012, 1:53 AM
I'm Sorry for the pics being huge and upside down. I can't figure out the new photobucket set up.

http://i1201.photobucket.com/albums/bb350/Ub3rd0rk/IMG_0661_zpsf38b7a1c.jpg

Chaos47
12-24-2012, 2:10 AM
Interesting, I have no idea the value. All I can say is do not try to clean them up or "restore" them aka kill all the value.

Someone will be along shortly that will know all about them I am sure. (might have to wait till the morning ;) )

FourTenJaeger
12-24-2012, 2:21 AM
OOOOOH! LUCKY LUCKY MAN!

Im not sure what you have for the first one, But the second one looks like an Early S&W Top break with a spur trigger, Know what caliber? and the last one is one of my favorites, A japanese Type 26 Revolver! Chambered for 9mm Japanese Revolver. The worse condition one is the type 26, I would say it could go for 300, Maybe, To the right person. Someone wiser than I should be along soon to date it and then you'll have a better answer.

mosinnagantm9130
12-24-2012, 2:31 AM
Thats an early type 26 with a serial number that low. I'd guess mid-late 1890s.

FourTenJaeger
12-24-2012, 3:52 AM
^ I was personally wondering if the serial had been pitted away.

If it's an ''antique'' You may have a buyer.. ahem..

rromeo
12-24-2012, 5:53 AM
I'd have to get them checked out by a gunsmith, see if they actually fire, then they'll probably sit in the case for a few years until the right buyer comes in. I'm taking a huge risk here, so I'll give you 50 bucks for all three. That's the best I can do.

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rromeo
12-24-2012, 5:53 AM
I'd have to get them checked out by a gunsmith, see if they actually fire, then they'll probably sit in the case for a few years until the right buyer comes in. I'm taking a huge risk here, so I'll give you 50 bucks for all three. That's the best I can do.

http://cdn.celebritycarsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Rick-Harrison1.jpg

Eljay
12-24-2012, 8:32 AM
I'm no expert but the colt sure looks like a 1860 with a missing loading lever. I've seen references to the first military contract deliveries being in 1863, maybe that's what the cylinder says. The weird thing about collecting these things is that even reproductions can be worth a fair amount - people collect the different variations. But in that condition, I have no idea.

Tallship
12-24-2012, 8:52 AM
The Colt is an example of why they are called curios and RELICS. Relic is a term for a piece that is in such bad shape that it has almost no value. Hang it on a wall for curiousitie's sake.

wellfedirishman
12-24-2012, 9:44 AM
If that Colt is a genuine Colt, it is worth a few hundred and up. If it is an Italian reproduction, it is worth an awful lot less (under a hundred).

Don't mess with them, buy a good book on Colts and do your research:
http://www.amazon.com/Standard-Catalog-Colt-Firearms-Rick/dp/0896895343/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1356370923&sr=8-2&keywords=colt+percussion+revolvers

http://www.amazon.com/Percussion-Revolvers-Guide-History-Performance/dp/0595436242/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356370987&sr=8-1&keywords=percussion+revolvers

Ub3rD0rk
12-24-2012, 12:00 PM
I appreciate all the help here. My friend is offering them to me in a possible trade, but as cool as these look, I don't want to be on the back end of a bad deal.

Eljay
12-24-2012, 1:22 PM
I might post on one of the heavier traffic muzzleloading forums about the Colt (see http://www.muzzleloadingforum.com/ ) just to make sure it's not worth anything. It probably isn't - but it's worth double checking now that you know where to ask the question.

FourTenJaeger
12-24-2012, 3:45 PM
I appreciate all the help here. My friend is offering them to me in a possible trade, but as cool as these look, I don't want to be on the back end of a bad deal.

Well if you get them and want to sell them, Im putting in an offer.

This is of course assuming the Type 26 is pre 1899.

scrat
12-24-2012, 4:16 PM
i would have to look at the colt. However like others pointed out loading lever is missing. Need to know if all the serial numbers match. also the screw on the bottom is sticking out. It is possible to repair the gun then check it out to see if it will fire. This would increase the value. Missing the loading lever at this point can bring down the value a lot. Looking at the cylinder there is quite a bit of rust looks pretty deep this is why i would like to see it to properly asses it. Off the cuff right now it would be worth about 5-800 it would be worth a heck of a lot more maybe 900-1200 if the loading lever was there. After that it all depends on the condition of the gun.

The Gleam
12-24-2012, 9:30 PM
I have a very large monitor; looking closely, there doesn't appear to be anything fake about that Colt, nothing repro, and the aging, deterioration, and corrosion look about right for a gun that old. My vote is that it's the real deal; too bad it's missing the loading lever. It's worth something to someone, and not so far gone that it's not recognizable; likely worth $300, but finding a buyer is tough. Someone might buy it more as a decoration than as a firearm. I've seen guns like this purchased at $500+ by "kitchy" Beverly Hills/Mailbu types to hang above their doors or fireplaces, yet they've never owned a working firearm in their life.

The Smith is unique but just a "fair" find and being a good deal corroded, not worth much; it's a pocket gun, and even in working condition they don't go for much. It's pretty; hang it on the wall.

The Japanese Type 26 - that one is in really bad shape. It would have no value to me even in working condition, but it's in such bad shape, I don't even think the arty types would take it up as it's not "classic Colt or Smith" to fuel their nostalgic whimsy. It's ugly; I wouldn't even think to hang it on a wall.

mosinnagantm9130
12-25-2012, 12:06 AM
Unfortunately, I don't know if there is any way to prove a type 26 is an antique outside of the first run of 500 pre-production revolvers (IIRC).

kendog4570
12-25-2012, 11:00 AM
You guys are quite generous in your valuation of this particular 1860 Army.

The Gleam
12-25-2012, 11:21 AM
You guys are quite generous in your valuation of this particular 1860 Army.

I don't think so; it all depends on the buyer. To most collectors or even amateur collectors, sure; not worth a dime. I wouldn't buy it, never. It's useless to me, and has no value whatsoever.

But like I said above, the right buyer and likely one not interested in firearms would shell out $300 top $500 easy just to hang it on a wall. You can't buy these at Ethan-Allen or Williams-Sonoma. They don't sell them at Pottery-Barn. And I've seen it happen with rusty old Springfield Trapdoors missing parts, hammers, etc., and worthless corroded muskets, all merely to be used in their mansions as decoration.

These same people go "antiquing" to decorate their boredom, converging on the weekends in uppity artsy towns like Cambria or Sedona, AZ, and think nothing of dropping $300 on a rusty and deteriorated wood-rung wheel from a ford Model T, cash on the spot, just because it looks cool (have seen that happen too, and you can pick them up on Ebay for about $40).

kendog4570
12-25-2012, 11:49 AM
I do believe you are right on that score. I have seen 1 (ONE!), current manufacture small bore NRA silhouette chicken, complete with lead spatters, go for over 120 bucks on ebay. It was presented as an "antique, turn-of-the-century, shooting gallery target"!
This Army would be good for planting in a resin-topped burl coffee table, or something like that.
It appears to be original Colt. The surefire way to tell would be to check the rifling twist.

DennisCA
12-25-2012, 12:54 PM
I'd have to get them checked out by a gunsmith, see if they actually fire, then they'll probably sit in the case for a few years until the right buyer comes in. I'm taking a huge risk here, so I'll give you 50 bucks for all three. That's the best I can do.

http://cdn.celebritycarsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/Rick-Harrison1.jpg

Funny!
And he will sell them for $200 each!
:facepalm:

Springfield45
12-25-2012, 10:54 PM
The 1860 is in poor condition. The bottom screws on the brass trigger guard and grip are not original or correct. And as others have pointed out it is missing the loading lever, plunger and screw. It is all so missing the wedge screw. All these parts can be replaced through Dixie Gun Works with out hurting the value. The biggest problem is the gap between the cylinder and the barrel. It looks to excessive to safely shoot. To fix that it will need a knowledgeable gun smith that can replace the cylinder pin.

If it is a genuine Colt it is worth some money because there are Colt collectors out there that will buy it.

Geologyjohn
12-26-2012, 11:15 AM
I'd walk away from them unless you think that you really need them, and/or the item that he wants to acquire from you in trade is something that you have badly wanted gone from your life/off your property.