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tjgroves
08-15-2007, 10:45 AM
I have been thinking a while about ways around the wonderful NFA laws. I am currently planning on getting a Nevada LLC for my future toys, but what if I wanted post '86 automatics... How about doing it all offshore?

Anchor a floating dock / cheap vessel some mileage out of US territorial waters, cruise out there with a legal AR-15 receiver, have a friend come out with M16 components (to avoid federal constructive intent laws), drill out the happy hole and assemble. Rock away 'till you’re out of ammo, then either destroy the receiver or leave it on the dock for playing with the next weekend.

Because it would be on water the range would rock, so you could not be super accurate... but you generally are not when dumping a Beta mag. Taking it another step further, could we bring out a few hundred pounds on Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer and mix up some HUGE floating reactive targets.

Is there some law I am missing, or could Calguns buy a disabled, but large, vessel and tow it out for some big parties. :D

locktime
08-15-2007, 10:49 AM
You could put a casino out there too.

CCWFacts
08-15-2007, 11:45 AM
It would be a lot cheaper to just open a range in Nevada and buy NFA weapons at inflated prices. I'm not at all a lawyer, much less a maritime law lawyer, but my guess is that a ship must follow the laws of the country that it is registered in, so you would need to find a place to register the ship that would allow those weapons. Not easy. Then you would need to find an arms dealer who would supply those weapons. Double not easy. Then you have all the joy of maintaining and operating a boat, one which can never dock anywhere except this unknown country which has registered it (if that country has coastline that is).

Looking at everything it's probably cheaper to hire lobbyists and lawyers to get the '86 ban changed than it is to use a ship.

hoffmang
08-15-2007, 12:46 PM
American flag vessels are subject to Federal law. State law is another much murkier matter.

I'm probably going to flag my next vessel in the Cayman Islands so it might open a window, but Cayman law is a real PIA regarding weapons.

Just go the NFA route in Nevada with a residence there.

-Gene

blkA4alb
08-15-2007, 1:29 PM
Not to mention I believe firing a gun when on a boat at see is a legal distress call.

hoffmang
08-15-2007, 1:50 PM
It is an international distress signal, but it is legal to fire from a boat past 3 miles as the controlling issues are around MARPOL garbage/sanitation issues.

-Gene

saki302
08-16-2007, 12:22 AM
It would probably be easier and cheaper to get a Class III mfr./dealer license or BUY a class III shop in NV and be able to buy post samples, and make your own...

Someone in NV offered me a partnership in his C3 business, but my investments lie elsewhere. The cost was $60K.

-Dave

adamsreeftank
08-16-2007, 1:58 AM
Join the Navy.

Then you can shoot off a boat, and you don't even need to pay for the ammo!

C.G.
08-16-2007, 2:05 AM
American flag vessels are subject to Federal law. State law is another much murkier matter.

I'm probably going to flag my next vessel in the Cayman Islands so it might open a window, but Cayman law is a real PIA regarding weapons.

Just go the NFA route in Nevada with a residence there.

-Gene

Gene, Cayman Islands will give you a tax benefit, of which I am sure that you are well aware, but that is all. It also has its negatives, such as Cayman flagged vessel cannot be chartered for passenger for hire in US waters (not that I think you would need to do that).

California is trying to impose itself on maritime laws and time will tell whether it is successful.

Voyage to "Nowhere" meaning starting in US and ending in US does not exempt you from having to abide by state's laws, whichever the state; i. e. one cannot leave SF and return to SF and have gambling aboard, even if one is going beyond international waters.

tiki
08-16-2007, 4:13 AM
I have been thinking a while about ways around the wonderful NFA laws.

Anchor a floating dock / cheap vessel some mileage out of US territorial waters, have a friend come out with M16 components, drill out the happy hole and assemble. Rock away 'till you’re out of ammo, then either destroy the receiver or leave it on the dock for playing with the next weekend.

Taking it another step further, could we bring out a few hundred pounds on Ammonium Nitrate fertilizer and mix up some HUGE floating reactive targets.

Is there some law I am missing [...]

You know, thats a GREAT idea!!!
Sitting off U.S. waters in a boat loaded with Amonium Nitrate and automatic weapons? While you are out there, why don't you wrap your heads in turbans and shout "Allah Akbar".
At least you won't know what hit you when the Trident missile drops through your boat. Assuming, of course, that you even make it out there after someone calls to report some guys loading fertilizer and diesel fuel onto a boat in the harbor.

There are much cheaper and easier ways to die or go to prison. :)