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burr2of4
12-20-2012, 4:53 PM
i just had a funny conversation with the most unknowledgeable anti gun individual. he tried to convince me that 50 round drum mags are novelty items and do not function. it was so funny to see him get so angry so fast. i stayed calm and tried to steer the conversation down a strait path, but his comments and answers made less and less sence and it became difficult to get a word in. i want to have a real conversation with an anti gunner to try to learn where their view point comes from, but most do just what this guy did and get all pissed off when they are shown proof that the propoganda they accept as truth is anything but. they start getting pissed and stop making sence

bigbully
12-20-2012, 5:48 PM
I have a couple of coworkers like that. One of which keeps posting articles in support of his beliefs on Facebook, but none of the articles stand on very solid ground for defending anti-gun policies. When I point out the flaws he just chalks it up as "the exception to the rule" as if anti-gun evidence is 99.99% accurate.

The biggest inaccuracy I've seen coming from anti-gunners though is that they automatically assume that if it's an evil looking rifle than it must be fully auto. Most people who want to ban "assault rifles" have no basis for their argument anymore when I point out what semi-auto actually means and that the rate of fire is the same as semi-auto pistols. However, you do have those that are just completely anti-gun no matter what. Rifles, pistols, bb guns, airsoft and even toys.

fizux
12-20-2012, 6:23 PM
The argument that I saw used recently was that we need to reinstate the assault weapons ban because noone needs a grenade launcher and machine guns to hunt deer.

bigbully
12-20-2012, 6:31 PM
I heard that if you own an assault rifle then "you might as well have a belt fed .50cal on a humvee or a nuclear sub with trident missiles." Really?

Yeah, that holds water!

Coming from someone who was attacked and brutally beaten on a public bus!! Yet, he agrees that it would be okay to have CCW for handguns, because he probably could have used one.

burr2of4
12-20-2012, 6:33 PM
The argument that I saw used recently was that we need to reinstate the assault weapons ban because noone needs a grenade launcher and machine guns to hunt deer.

i would ask that person where they saw machine guns being sold. i would also ask them how this became a question of need. i dont think i need all of my guns and i didnt buy them because i need them i bought them because i want them and i have the right to have them because it was writen into the constitution. most people have alot of extras in thier life that they dont need. when i tried to compare my lifted truck to the modifications to my guns this guy told me that was a stupid argument. I dont understand people being against modifications even before the understand the modification. what does it matter what my guns look like?

Darklyte27
12-20-2012, 7:20 PM
I have some coworkers ive been talking to. 1 is a mom with 2 kids and lives in out in the sticks, they own a farm, horse, goats chickens. They dont own a gun, then she realized they probably should for shooting coyote or defense.

She said had a bad exp because when they were young a friend shot a friend playing around with a gun.

after more talk she is kind of closer to the fence.

Another girl, younger no kids no bf is more anti gun. She seems to be confused. Because I served in the military she thinks its ok for me to have weapons.

But If I didnt serve i shouldnt have them.
I told her its our right to defend ourselves and own guns.

I said what if a person came in our work and started shooting, would you think you would be safer if I had A CCW? she said no because what if I missed?

I said if I had a CCW, i would go through required training and such. Wouldnt you rather have 50% chance of survival than 0%? she was leaning towards 0%.

Education is the key but sometimes some people just refuse to think guns can help save you.

Today I talked to another friend, i told him the facts and hes more pro now. Hes in the Army and is almost all pro, but he does think there should be some regulation.

bodger
12-20-2012, 7:29 PM
My favorite one so far: "The NRA wants to make it legal for everyone to own a machine gun."

Curtis
12-20-2012, 7:43 PM
My wife has been on a major anti-ar and anti-gun bent. She is very emotional and not inclined to accept anything I point out. She is getting her stuff from Pier Morgan, LA Times, or ABC News. She has asked me to sell my guns...probably because she knows how that will go over.

My favorite exchange came when she was talking dealing with the results of something bad happening as a result of my guns. I replied, "I was shot a deal with the pain and other issues on a daily basis, but I choose to have guns in my life on a daily basis.". She replied, "But you weren't gunned down!" I guess being paralyzed and in a coma isn't enough to provide a clear perspective.

Darklyte27
12-20-2012, 7:54 PM
time for a new wife.

burr2of4
12-20-2012, 7:58 PM
I said what if a person came in our work and started shooting, would you think you would be safer if I had A CCW? she said no because what if I missed?I said if I had a CCW, i would go through required training and such. Wouldnt you rather have 50% chance of survival than 0%? she was leaning towards 0%.

Education is the key but sometimes some people just refuse to think guns can help save you.

Today I talked to another friend, i told him the facts and hes more pro now. Hes in the Army and is almost all pro, but he does think there should be some regulation.

what if you missed? there is already a guy shooting innocent people does she think if you shoot and miss hes going to call for back up, 10 more guys are gonna show up and start shooting the place up too. im sure if you missed with the first shot you would follow up and even if you missed with every round you had at the verry least you would be possing a threat to him and he would either try to take cover or turn his attntion to you giving unarmed people the chance to get to saftey

OIFVet03
12-20-2012, 11:06 PM
Most of the anti-gun people are uneducated and ignorant. I have had the bad arguments where they basically say I'm stupid and uneducated but don't argue their point at all. I have also had arguments that were good where they actually saw my point. I'm guessing I won those ones. lol

MindBeyondAverage
12-21-2012, 12:13 AM
Well, I am happy to report a small victory on our side. My best friend just got back from law school this summer. Maaaaaaaan, the guy was IN DOC TRINATED! Holllly **** we almost lost our 17 year friendship over his new liberal points of view. So long story short, he believed the second amendment was only for already formed militias, thought guns were too dangerous to be practical, tried to talk me out of owning my first one while he was in law school after a pansy little ***** threatened to come kill me and my kids cause my wife caught him cheating on his and informed her, was pretty fond of Obama without any knowledge of anything cause he had no cable and I guess didn't care... So much more but you get the point. WELL, after lots of heated debates, onslaughts of facts being thrown at him, and a major break in his views when he tried to use something in his favor and I told him that I know every detail about that and asked him to explain this event to me only for him to admit he really didn't know so then got pissed and said it was irrelevant and blah blah blah, he has mostly let go of his indoctrination. He even stated that gun control was stupid and wouldn't help on friday. He favored other avenues, and supports our second amendment. He's been looking into getting a gun to safeguard his new business and is paying attention to the many ways the government has been trampling on our rights and making decisions that are going to hurt us in the long run. It's like he's recovering from brain surgery and still has symptoms but is mostly himself again. OH! For those of us who believe in God and love spirituality, he has even gone from always trying to bash my beliefs, to discovering some spiritual avenues of his own. I didn't realize how patient I am until I wrote this. So yea, a small victory. I guess our form of make up sex was when we took my guns to the range and he had a blast, HAHAHAHA.

Grayling14
12-21-2012, 12:13 AM
. . . i want to have a real conversation with an anti gunner to try to learn where their view point comes from, but most do just what this guy did and get all pissed off when they are shown proof that the propoganda they accept as truth is anything but. they start getting pissed and stop making sence

Most anti-gun individuals are liberals. Liberalism is very closely related to socialism, fascism and communism in that its support depends heavily upon an appeal to the emotions, not the intellect. Most of the beliefs espoused by those movements will not stand up to the scrutiny of objective analysis of the facts. Most anti-gunners are engaging in a form of intellectual dishonesty; they consciously choose to ignore facts, objective statistics and historically correct events. They are generally incapable of conducting a civil, logical debate because their opinions are based almost entirely on feelings, not facts. Therefore, they become very emotional and agitated when presented with evidence that contradicts their beliefs.

Foulball
12-21-2012, 5:53 AM
My wife has been on a major anti-ar and anti-gun bent. She is very emotional and not inclined to accept anything I point out. She is getting her stuff from Pier Morgan, LA Times, or ABC News. She has asked me to sell my guns...probably because she knows how that will go over.

My favorite exchange came when she was talking dealing with the results of something bad happening as a result of my guns. I replied, "I was shot a deal with the pain and other issues on a daily basis, but I choose to have guns in my life on a daily basis.". She replied, "But you weren't gunned down!" I guess being paralyzed and in a coma isn't enough to provide a clear perspective.

Damn man, that sucks!

My wife was just the opposite. She's a Jr. High Librarian and she kept asking me how many more I'm going to buy. I told here none and she asked why not? I told her why buy when I can just build them? She said good. haha

BTW, she doesn't have a gun and she's only been to the range once, but she does know that any new laws aren't going to stop anyone that's crazy already.
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MindBeyondAverage
12-21-2012, 5:58 AM
Most anti-gun individuals are liberals. Liberalism is very closely related to socialism, fascism and communism in that its support depends heavily upon an appeal to the emotions, not the intellect. Most of the beliefs espoused by those movements will not stand up to the scrutiny of objective analysis of the facts. Most anti-gunners are engaging in a form of intellectual dishonesty; they consciously choose to ignore facts, objective statistics and historically correct events. They are generally incapable of conducting a civil, logical debate because their opinions are based almost entirely on feelings, not facts. Therefore, they become very emotional and agitated when presented with evidence that contradicts their beliefs.

Gees man, sorry to hear that. If my wife took that stance, there would be a very short period of time before I ask her to move out or I do so. To me it comes down to, my wife is listening to some dumb closed minded liberals, but takes no value from what I am saying. I wouldn't live with it. But maybe I'm just a real D head.

BrianRodela
12-21-2012, 6:21 AM
To be ignorant is human, the wise one admits it, the dangerous one does not.

Mulay El Raisuli
12-21-2012, 8:01 AM
I heard that if you own an assault rifle then "you might as well have a belt fed .50cal on a humvee or a nuclear sub with trident missiles." Really?

Yeah, that holds water!

Coming from someone who was attacked and brutally beaten on a public bus!! Yet, he agrees that it would be okay to have CCW for handguns, because he probably could have used one.


Oddly, this is where we are winning the fight. I posted elsewhere that one of the next of kin at Sandy Hook said (to NBC News) that he was OK with pistols & CCW, but that wanted "assault rifles" gone, because a "pistol is all anyone needs" (not an exact quote).

Which leads me to think that our approach shouldn't be the 2A, it should emphasize the fact that guns really do save lives. That the reason we want to cling to our guns, the reason we want teachers to be armed (or at least have the option) is so that we can save our own lives, & the lives of those we hold dear.


The Raisuli

geeknow
12-21-2012, 8:05 AM
Dealing with anti's is similar to dealing with a tantrum throwing child. Use small words, spoken in a soothing yet firm tone.

scarville
12-21-2012, 8:10 AM
The argument that I saw used recently was that we need to reinstate the assault weapons ban because noone needs a grenade launcher and machine guns to hunt deer.

How many deer has he hunted?

Trying to talk to some of these antis about gun rights is like trying to talk to a Taliban about women's rights.

Sousuke
12-21-2012, 9:28 AM
One thing I've been hearing a lot is taxation for gun owners as well as liability insurance mandates.

I've always assumed you could not tax the right to bear...I know you may tax the purchase and require a registration fee but that was the limit.