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BobB35
12-20-2012, 5:13 AM
Here is the story.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/20/5066548/obama-gun-control-will-be-central.html

This is the man that snuck through a very unpopular Healthcare law in the dead of the night.

At what point will the people who supposedly support RKBA and still voted for Obama own up to their mistake? The term "Reap the Whirlwind" comes to mind and it looks like there is going to be a lot of Reaping...and I blame all the mushskulls who voted for this empty suit.

dieselpower
12-20-2012, 5:40 AM
He has given it to Binden, who was one of the authors of the last AWB. Obama will sign anything Biden places in front of him.

Anyone who thinks otherwise isnt thinking at all.

The people on Bidens team are not picked for their non-bias views... they are not there to research and figure out what is true and what is FUD... they are there to formulate a law.

If I told you Charles Mason and a group of people, he hand picked where thinking of paying your home a visit...would you scoff and say, I am not worried about it.

Hope for the best, PLAN FOR THE WORST.

Military style firearm will be banned by mid March...they will be unavailable to buy due to panic-buying much much sooner.

Mulay El Raisuli
12-20-2012, 6:11 AM
Yesterday, I read an interesting comment by one of the next of kin at one of the funereals in CT. The father of the kid agreed that we need guns for self-defense, but added that a 'handgun is all you need' (not an exact quote).

I don't know if this is good news or bad news. On the one hand, he was all for banning "assault rifles." On the other, he was good with the idea that self defense is a legitimate reason to own a gun.

I think we're making progress if someone from CT., in the face of overwhelming grief, can respond to the prodding of NBC like that.


The Raisuli

Curley Red
12-20-2012, 7:00 AM
Here is the story.

http://www.sacbee.com/2012/12/20/5066548/obama-gun-control-will-be-central.html

This is the man that snuck through a very unpopular Healthcare law in the dead of the night.

At what point will the people who supposedly support RKBA and still voted for Obama own up to their mistake? The term "Reap the Whirlwind" comes to mind and it looks like there is going to be a lot of Reaping...and I blame all the mushskulls who voted for this empty suit.

You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

SanPedroShooter
12-20-2012, 7:05 AM
The ponderous mess of gun banning garbage I've seen wont make it through two houses.

I think these ghouls will ask for the farm and get kicked off the property. Given the players involved, this is the last of the old guard democrat gun grab machince.

For a lot of them, this is their 'last rodeo'. If they cant use this opportunity to push and pass this, they'll never be able to.

Have you actually seen ol' swiney's latest proposal? Its crazy complicated, massive and permanent.

Good luck....

Hopalong
12-20-2012, 7:07 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

You got that right.

baddos
12-20-2012, 7:20 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

Ronald Regean was almost fatally shot by a person himself and didn't go after guns.

lavey29
12-20-2012, 7:45 AM
Any proposed legislation still has to get through congress and that will be an uphill battle if not futile attempt with some exceptions. I think the 10 day wait and better checks via mental health history will become mandatory in all states. Registration even for long guns in all states, etc...

IVC
12-20-2012, 7:52 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

Mitt is not in office, Obama is. Is Obama ever going to be responsible for *anything* he does in the eyes of his admirers?

whlgun
12-20-2012, 8:03 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

So when does it become Obama's fault? Last I checked he is the president of The United States not Mitt. If Mitt was president and was doing this we would complain about him. Unfortunately for you he is not and Obama is.

Doheny
12-20-2012, 8:04 AM
Mitt is not in office...<snip>

No, but if he was, we'd be having this same discussion (re: gun control) with the same urgency. A lot of poster want to put this on the feet of Obama, as if things would have been different post Sandy Hook if Mitt had been elected.

Remember, Mitt never met an AWB he didn't like.

spamsucker
12-20-2012, 8:04 AM
Ronald Reagan is arguably responsible for the decrepit state of mental health care in our state as well and the degradation of it from a real effort (if a misguided and cruel one) to treat the mentally ill to nothing but a different name slapped onto what is no different than the system that handles criminals. Both systems are failures and both pander endlessly to business and special interests, none of which have any real interest beyond $$$.

Reagan was shot by a mentally ill man. Talk about reaping the whirlwind.

Then he still didn't go after guns or even the storied "devastator" ammo.

Reagan: Man of action, short sighted domestic policy, amazingly short sighted foreign policy, and reaping what he sews. What a guy!

tcrpe
12-20-2012, 8:11 AM
It wasn't Reagan that did that, it was the courts. Separation of powers and all that.


Ronald Reagan is arguably responsible for the decrepit state of mental health care in our state as well and the degradation of it from a real effort (if a misguided and cruel one) to treat the mentally ill to nothing but a different name slapped onto what is no different than the system that handles criminals. Both systems are failures and both pander endlessly to business and special interests, none of which have any real interest beyond $$$.

Reagan was shot by a mentally ill man. Talk about reaping the whirlwind.

Then he still didn't go after guns or even the storied "devastator" ammo.

Reagan: Man of action, short sighted domestic policy, amazingly short sighted foreign policy, and reaping what he sews. What a guy!

scarville
12-20-2012, 8:30 AM
Ronald Regean was almost fatally shot by a person himself and didn't go after guns.

He did support the Brady Bill.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html

He also signed the Mulford Act when he was Governor of California.

winnre
12-20-2012, 8:45 AM
It is also because of Reagan we cannot buy Machine Guns made since 1986.

SWalt
12-20-2012, 8:59 AM
Funny how the Obama supporters just defend him tooth and nail. We are lost as a nation when a Marxist is defended as he is.

morfeeis
12-20-2012, 9:16 AM
Can we just agree that 99% of all elected officials are scum bags that rob us of freedoms and resources?

nicoroshi
12-20-2012, 9:23 AM
Can we just agree that 99% of all elected officials are scum bags that rob us of freedoms and resources?

Finally a post I can agree with

Hopalong
12-20-2012, 9:23 AM
Can we just agree that 99% of all elected officials are scum bags that rob us of freedoms and resources?
That is exactly my point.

By saying that any president today would jump on the gun control wagon

Is certainly no way implying support for Obama

craig682
12-20-2012, 9:26 AM
Can we just agree that 99% of all elected officials are scum bags that rob us of freedoms and resources?

Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner! +100000

krazz
12-20-2012, 9:26 AM
Ronald Reagan is arguably responsible for the decrepit state of mental health care in our state as well and the degradation of it from a real effort (if a misguided and cruel one) to treat the mentally ill to nothing but a different name slapped onto what is no different than the system that handles criminals. Both systems are failures and both pander endlessly to business and special interests, none of which have any real interest beyond $$$.

Reagan was shot by a mentally ill man. Talk about reaping the whirlwind.

Then he still didn't go after guns or even the storied "devastator" ammo.

Reagan: Man of action, short sighted domestic policy, amazingly short sighted foreign policy, and reaping what he sews. What a guy!


^^^+1

winnre
12-20-2012, 9:28 AM
No more laws without a budget.

five.five-six
12-20-2012, 9:33 AM
Ronald Regean was almost fatally shot by a person himself and didn't go after guns.

James Brady's wife went off the reservation after that.


And only an idiot thinks that AII would be in anywhere near the perilous position that is under Obama, had Romney been elected.

scarville
12-20-2012, 9:40 AM
Can we just agree that 99% of all elected officials are scum bags that rob us of freedoms and resources?

No. Because 99% is too small a ratio.

someR1
12-20-2012, 9:49 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

full of fail.

speedrrracer
12-20-2012, 9:54 AM
Whatever Biden comes back with, it still has to go through the House and the Senate.

Contact your representatives, let them know criminals don't obey gun laws
Donate early and often to SAF / CGF / NRA

lather
rinse
repeat

formerTexan
12-20-2012, 9:57 AM
lol, bet you missed Perry now don't you? 0bama0 has been as anti-gun as long as he's been in public office, and probably before. Romney sought NRA backing. His administration would be much more engaged with the NRA, than what 0bama0 is doing and already done. You don't get NRA backing, and then back stab them on the first "test". 0bama0 defenders are still clinging to their messiah, and can only defend him by saying, wrongly, that Romney would've been the same.

Larryect
12-20-2012, 10:20 AM
We need to get some lawmakers to introduce carry laws that would allow people to defend themselves.

They want to talk about gun control laws to fix the problem.......

IVC
12-20-2012, 10:56 AM
No, but if he was, we'd be having this same discussion (re: gun control) with the same urgency. A lot of poster want to put this on the feet of Obama, as if things would have been different post Sandy Hook if Mitt had been elected.

Remember, Mitt never met an AWB he didn't like.

Have you seen anyone here defending Mitt? It's not about what Mitt would/wouldn't do. It's completely irrelevant what Mitt would do or even who Mitt is. He doesn't hold *any* public office and is as relevant to this conversation as Santa Claus.

tcrpe
12-20-2012, 11:10 AM
If you take Mitt out of the equation, what will the obama apologists whine about while our rights are destroyed?

sholling
12-20-2012, 11:14 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

You can keep telling yourself that nonsense to make you feel better about your choices but don't expect anyone rational to believe that crap.

donny douchebag
12-20-2012, 11:34 AM
He did support the Brady Bill.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html

He also signed the Mulford Act when he was Governor of California.

Interesting to read many of the +20 year old articles on that site. It proves nothing has changed in many ways.

stix213
12-20-2012, 11:39 AM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

If Romney were in office he'd be going big government Romneycare style after the mental health issue. He'd probably increase the size of government, but he'd likely be deflecting from the gun issue cause he knows he will need the hard core right to support him in 2016, and gunnies have long memories.

To think a Republican president would be going after a gun ban today, ensuring a 1 term presidency, is just silly and not thinking things through.

tcrpe
12-20-2012, 11:42 AM
And the beat goes on . . .

epilepticninja
12-20-2012, 11:44 AM
While I'm concerned with what will happen at the federal level, I'm horrified at what is coming out of CA politicians mouths about what they are going to do to our gun rights here in this state.

kaligaran
12-20-2012, 11:46 AM
Of course he makes it center stage.

Take's the focus off of the impending cliff.

44fred
12-20-2012, 1:24 PM
Originally Posted by Curley Red View Post
What has he done in the last 4 years? Signed 2 bills giving us more rights. I go by what a person has done in office, not what others think might happen. Who would have thought that a lot of our gun rights in California were lost thanks to republicans. Even though people keep blaming the democrats for all of it.

DrVino
12-20-2012, 1:29 PM
If redundant, or better suited for another thread, Mods, please feel free to move:

http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/20/us/connecticut-school-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

"We have to take action," Vice President Joe Biden says

"Trying to move at warp speed in a city accustomed to a more glacial pace, President Barack Obama's administration began its effort to change U.S. gun laws on Thursday, less than a week after the Newtown, Connecticut, school shooting that shocked the nation.

Vice President Joe Biden met with Cabinet members and law enforcement leaders at the White House to start formulating what Obama called "real reforms right now" in the wake of the shooting that killed 27 people -- including 20 children -- and the shooter.

"We have to take action, and there are a number of things ... we can immediately do," Biden said moments before the meeting began. "For anything to get done, we're going to need your advocacy."

"A slight majority of Americans now favor major restrictions on guns: 52%, up 5 percentage points from a survey in August after the July mass shooting in Aurora, Colorado, where 12 people died, according to a CNN/ORC International poll released Wednesday."

"And 46% believe the government has a role in solving the issue, up 13 percentage points from January 2011, after the Tucson, Arizona, shooting that killed six and left former U.S. Rep. Gabby Giffords badly wounded."

Task force begins work

"Joining Biden at Thursday's first task force meeting on gun violence were Attorney General Eric Holder, Secretary of Education Arne Duncan, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius. Law enforcement officials also attended."

"A day earlier, Obama demanded the group provide proposals by January while acknowledging the complex combination of factors involved in gun violence and the overwhelming odds such legislation could face in a Congress heavily influenced by the gun-rights lobby."

"But the fact that this problem is complex can no longer be an excuse for doing nothing," he said. "The fact that we can't prevent every act of violence doesn't mean we can't steadily reduce the violence and prevent the very worst violence."

"Obama highlighted suggestions to better restrict gun sales to criminals and those with mental-health issues and improve access to mental health care."

"After Biden's meeting Thursday, Holder will travel to Connecticut to meet with law enforcement officials and first responders, a Justice Department official said Thursday. He will not be attending funerals or memorials, the official said."

"In the days after the shootings, conservative Democrats and some Republicans who have traditionally supported gun rights said they would be open to discussing the issue."

"More than 195,000 people also signed an online White House petition supporting new gun-control legislation."

IVC
12-20-2012, 2:01 PM
Originally Posted by Curley Red View Post
What has he done in the last 4 years? Signed 2 bills giving us more rights. I go by what a person has done in office, not what others think might happen. Who would have thought that a lot of our gun rights in California were lost thanks to republicans. Even though people keep blaming the democrats for all of it.

Obama appointed Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court. Sotomayor in her confirmation hearing stated that "Heller is a settled law," then joined dissent in McDonald. She is the only one who essentially lied during her confirmation hearing.

The signed bills were raiders on unrelated financial bills. They are good for us (thank you Obama), but they are in no way indicative of his intent. Obama's stance is for gun control, as clearly stated in the *official platform* of the Democratic party.

The Republicans you speak of have never been excused in these forums. The recent loss of a (gasp) Republican seat in Dan Lungren was cheered here.

What is it with you Obama worshipers that instead of any arguments you just try to pass as a valid point that either "someone else did it too," or "it was someone else's fault?"

Doheny
12-20-2012, 2:38 PM
Have you seen anyone here defending Mitt? It's not about what Mitt would/wouldn't do. It's completely irrelevant what Mitt would do or even who Mitt is. He doesn't hold *any* public office and is as relevant to this conversation as Santa Claus.

Sorry, reading comprehension and logic are your friend. Read the OP; it implies that this is an issue because Obama won. The only other viable candidate running was Mitt and if he had won we [the nation] would be having the same gun control argument and it would be Mitt’s "central issue.”

Remember, Mitt never met an AWB he didn't like.

SlobRay
12-20-2012, 2:42 PM
Originally Posted by Curley Red View Post
What has he done in the last 4 years? Signed 2 bills giving us more rights. I go by what a person has done in office, not what others think might happen. Who would have thought that a lot of our gun rights in California were lost thanks to republicans. Even though people keep blaming the democrats for all of it.

If the bold statement above is true, they why are you always saying something like "Romney would have done the same thing" or "You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing"? When your mesiah does something you always say the same thing, and you keep going way beyond the "what others think might happen" and start compairing apples to bowling balls. Romney wasn't elected so enough already. We get it, you're a Democrat homer, fine. You think that everything 0bama does is perfect and the only way it should be done, fine also. You want to point out Republican flaws, O.K. but we are not talking about Republicans now, we are talking about your savior here, quit trying to deflect everything away from him and put it on somebody else.

If you really want to compare their 2A voting records (0bama vs. Romney), compare their overall records prior to Jan 2009, not just the 2 you keep harping on.

Ray

IVC
12-20-2012, 2:56 PM
Sorry, reading comprehension and logic are your friend. Read the OP; it implies that this is an issue because Obama won.

This is an issue because Obama won. Just because the "other guy" coulda/woulda/shoulda or is as bad or worse, doesn't absolve Obama of the responsibility for Obama's actions.

It would be like telling your wife that it's okay to beat her up because her ex used to beat her up worse.

Doheny
12-20-2012, 3:16 PM
:facepalm:

Trenchfoot
12-20-2012, 3:58 PM
full of fail.

I guess it depended on which Mitt Romney was in office.

bj8Nk3p1wyY

IVC
12-20-2012, 4:01 PM
:facepalm:

You forgot to type a rebuttal...

Trenchfoot
12-20-2012, 4:07 PM
To be honest, I think the only people who won't cave even a little are the politicians that have nothing to lose by fighting new gun legislation. So we're looking at members of the House in solidly red, rural districts. I don't even think Senators in solidly red states are safe.

GREASY357
12-20-2012, 4:15 PM
Contact your representatives, let them know criminals don't obey gun laws

If they don't understand this by now they never will.

TempleKnight
12-20-2012, 4:16 PM
You forgot to type a rebuttal...

There is no rebuttal. At some point you would think the Obamapologists would hold him responsible for his actions and the actions of his adminstration, be it F&F, Benghazi or the AWB we all said he bring in his second term.

We'll never know what Romney would have done, but it doesn't matter. By a margin of 2.8% Obama is president and, as usual, there is no debate. AWB, "gunshow loophole" and the usual crap will be in the Biden proposal.

advocatusdiaboli
12-20-2012, 6:37 PM
You actually think that if Mitt was in office he wouldn't be doing the same thing. Take a look at who signed anti gun bills in California and other states. Any president in office today would be doing exactly what Obama is.

Romney was not great but he was better than the other guy for our rights. Sounds to me that the Obama apologists who voted for him insisting he wouldn't go after gun rights are , now suffering from cognitive dissonance, rationalizing their fatal mistake in voting for the closet gun grabber. It's too late. We warned you and the facts were out there for all to see if you looked. But you were so full of yourselves. Now we all reap what you have sown.

speleogist
12-21-2012, 6:30 AM
Gotta love Obummer and the rest of the twits on Capitol Hill diverting the attention of the public away from their failure to stop us heading straight off of the fiscal cliff by focusing on this new issue.

Curley Red
12-21-2012, 7:10 AM
Gotta love Obummer and the rest of the twits on Capitol Hill diverting the attention of the public away from their failure to stop us heading straight off of the fiscal cliff by focusing on this new issue.

That is why Obama passed of the gun talk to Biden and is still working on the fiscal cliff. Duhhhhh!

SlobRay
12-21-2012, 8:58 AM
I know this will get me banned by I do not care. You really are stupid. I did not vote for Obama, this election. Yes I did vote for him in the first election because I did not care for McCain and Palin. So Obam is not my messiah nor have I ever once stated that he is a perfect. He has done plenty dumb stuff. But like usual if someone does not attack him like you and others do then that person must be an Obama worshiper. I am tired of how you and others on here are making so many assumptions. You really are an idiot. So if I do get banned, which I probably will, I do not care because the attacks by so many on here is pathetic. There are so many people on this site that are children. And since I have never been registered as a democrat, that really shows how freaking stupid you are. But keep up with the personal attacks and the assumptions, it shows how intelligent you aren't.

Wow, I must have really struck a nerve here, sorry, that wasn’t my intention. The reason I posted what I did is because it seems like whenever someone makes a disparaging remark about Obama, liberals or the Democratic Party, you seem to jump to their defense and point out flaws with the Republicans. So it makes sense to assume that you were a Democrat sticking up for your party and its leader. I realize now that you were just trying to show both sides of the isle are to blame, I apologize for not understanding what you were trying to say there. I don’t know you personally, so I can’t know you were never a Democrat, also there is no way of knowing your voting habits either (unless you posted it here somewhere and to be honest I won’t go back through all of your old posts to find it), I guess I was wrong about you being a Democrat, I do apologize for that also. In all honesty, look at some of your posts; it does appear that you favor both the Democrats and Obama.

It doesn’t bother me to be wrong, it also doesn’t bother me to apologize when I am wrong either, but I am not wrong and will not apologize for the “If you really want to compare their 2A voting records (0bama vs. Romney), compare their overall records prior to Jan 2009, not just the 2 you keep harping on.” comment.

There are so many people on this site that are children.
Thanks for coming out to play with us and about the name calling well..."I know you are, but what am I?" or the classic "I'm rubber, your glue, whatever you say............":tt2::tt2: "nanny nanny boo boo"

Ray

CowboyShooter
12-21-2012, 1:51 PM
If Obama really IS going to make gun control a "central issue", we should all be safe. In 2008 he was going to make fixing the economy and creating jobs his "central issue" and we know how that worked out...

jus' sayin'

:D