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bg
08-13-2007, 7:12 AM
Gun News Daily had this opinion listed today..What a moronic statement.
http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070813/COLUMNISTS/708130324
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Newark, New Jersey's largest city, buried its three innocent victims on Saturday, adding to the rising number of young blacks whose lives are cut short in firearm-related violent crimes.

My heart and prayers go out to the families of the three friends whose dreams and aspirations were shuttered by fatal bullets. Bullets fired from guns in the wrong hands — the hands of criminals.

The killings more than a week ago increased the city's total number of murders this year to nearly 60. And with about 140 days left this year, chances are — God forbid — Newark will see additional murders this year.

According to published police accounts, the three young friends died painful and horrible deaths — lined up against a wall and killed by shots to the head —in one of the most heinous crimes in New Jersey.

The three friends could have been anybody. Your son or daughter. Your brother or sister.

But the U.S. Department of Justice tells a different story.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, nearly 63.4 percent of murder victims in New Jersey in 2005 were blacks, compared with 35.6 percent for whites. In 1976, that number stood at 53.1 percent for blacks, compared with 45.6 percent for whites.

The same data show that in 1982, 54.6 percent of murder victims in New Jersey were whites, compared with 42.9 percent for blacks.

Nationwide, a majority of black murder victims are young — between 17 and 29. That means middle age — for most of the victims — is between 8 and 14 years, in a nation with a life expectancy of 77 years!

Something needs to be done to reverse this trend.

From 1993 through 2001, blacks accounted for 46 percent of murder victims and 54 percent of victims of firearms homicide, but 12 percent of the U.S. population.

As a nation, we need to call on our leaders — black and white, Republicans and Democrats — to get guns off our streets and out of our homes.
Now lets see. No blaming the creeps who pull the trigger, no blame due to
these creeps wanting money or whatever for street drugs, no mention of the
fact that many times these losers do this just to garner some misguided
idea of street "respect"..No it's all the guns fault. Man this is getting
so old..Why hasn't anyone asked the question WHY do blacks and other
so called minorities kill each other in such high numbers ? The weapon
cares nothing at all, it has no attitude, no revenge, no crazy a** notion
to become some kind of street gangster, etc. How easy it is to blame
something that is just an inanimate result of fabrication. :rolleyes:

Politics aside, the nation has tried tougher gun-control laws with little
success. The level and rate of firearm-related crimes keep going up. It is time
to ban gun
What drivel. What do you bet the bad guys would be the first to turn theirs in..?

CCWFacts
08-13-2007, 8:16 AM
Something needs to be done to reverse this trend.

Yeah, blacks can stop this trend by not shooting each other.

American blacks have really gotten themselves down a dead-end by picking leaders like the Rev. (cough) Jesse Jackson who have made a career out of guilt and we-are-helpless-victims. On top of that they have thrown their votes to a certain party which has consistently backed policies like welfare, the War on Drugs, affirmative action, teachers unions, and non-voucher schools systems, all of which are disasters for blacks.

Fortunately there is a new generation of black community leaders who see what a dead-end trap Jesse Jackson and friends have been. This gives me hope.

Prc329
08-13-2007, 8:33 AM
As far as I am concerned we have not had leadership since Malcom and Martin were killed. I also woke up and stopped throwing away my vote.

I hope the rest of my people do the same.

AJAX22
08-13-2007, 9:11 AM
the whole 'Don't Snitch' movement isn't exactly helping either (there was an interesting segment on sixty minuits last night about it)

soopafly
08-13-2007, 9:29 AM
...teachers unions, and non-voucher schools systems, all of which are disasters for blacks.
WRONG!!! TRY AGAIN. Blaming teachers for what's wrong in education is like blaming rank and file line officers for what's wrong in law enforcement. The problem lies within school district administrators, corrupt school boards, and the politicians. Teachers want to do good for kids but are shackled BY LAW to follow the directives of the above people.

Voucher systems? Ninja, please. If you give a poor family a voucher for a few thousand dollars, where are they going to get the rest of the money to pay for school? So what happens? Poor folk go to the same poor schools and rich people pay less for school with their discounts, er, "voucher."

CCWFacts
08-13-2007, 10:07 AM
WRONG!!! TRY AGAIN. Blaming teachers for what's wrong in education is like blaming rank and file line officers for what's wrong in law enforcement.

I'm not in any way blaming teachers. I'm blaming teachers unions and their contracts which make it difficult to fire non-performing teachers, and which distort compensation plans. Individual teachers are doing their best in difficult situations.

Voucher systems? Ninja, please. If you give a poor family a voucher for a few thousand dollars, where are they going to get the rest of the money to pay for school? So what happens? Poor folk go to the same poor schools and rich people pay less for school with their discounts, er, "voucher."

A voucher system would have to work the right way. Ideally it would let poor people send their children to competitive schools where teachers are treated as employees and are assessed for performance just like all other employees. You are right, voucher systems done badly would make things worse.

soopafly
08-13-2007, 10:24 AM
I'm not in any way blaming teachers.
Sorry, I just get all wound up when anybody disses a teacher:o
My wife is a teacher in a less than affluent school district and SHE WORKS HER *** OFF. All the while, admin and the school board along with politicians keep making life more difficult for her and the kids she teaches.

Piper
08-13-2007, 10:53 AM
According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, nearly 63.4 percent of murder victims in New Jersey in 2005 were blacks, compared with 35.6 percent for whites. In 1976, that number stood at 53.1 percent for blacks, compared with 45.6 percent for whites.

The same data show that in 1982, 54.6 percent of murder victims in New Jersey were whites, compared with 42.9 percent for blacks.


This is just weird. According to my socialist elitist sociology instructor, everything is the european males fault. This is something he might use to equate with social inequality and european oppression of people of color. Beyond the stats, what's the point? Killing innocent people is bad regardless of who it is.

56Chevy
08-13-2007, 11:05 AM
Sorry, I just get all wound up when anybody disses a teacher:o
My wife is a teacher in a less than affluent school district and SHE WORKS HER *** OFF. All the while, admin and the school board along with politicians keep making life more difficult for her and the kids she teaches.
I have been in education for quite a while. They are always trying to get teachers to try the latest and greatest approach to teaching. Nobody EVER thinks that each kid having a good mom and a good dad at home will do more good than some dopey computer program. Until they do that they're always going to be using band-aids.

MaceWindu
08-13-2007, 11:29 AM
American blacks have really gotten themselves down a dead-end by picking leaders like the Rev. (cough) Jesse Jackson who have made a career out of guilt and we-are-helpless-victims.

Funny, I don't rmember when this election was held, and I sure as hell did NOT vote for him. So don't make knucklehead statements like this...

"Self proclaimed" and "picking" are not the same.


Mace

AJAX22
08-13-2007, 11:33 AM
A voucher system would have to work the right way. Ideally it would let poor people send their children to competitive schools where teachers are treated as employees and are assessed for performance just like all other employees. You are right, voucher systems done badly would make things worse.

Equality under the law does not refer to equality of outcome. people with money will always have more options and better educations than those without.

Unless of course you'd like to legislate away all wealth and redistribute the wealth, and of course then you'd have to standardize education and make it equally available to all the populace.

Although IIRC they tried that already, and you still got a better education if you were a member of the politbeureau than the son of a mechanic.

CCWFacts
08-13-2007, 12:06 PM
Unless of course you'd like to legislate away all wealth and redistribute the wealth, and of course then you'd have to standardize education and make it equally available to all the populace.

Please chill out. Of course those with more money will have more options. A properly implemented voucher system wouldn't change that, but it would give private enterprise a motive to open schools in poor neighborhoods, and it would give those schools motives to make teacher employment decisions based on teacher performance. I'm saying that private enterprise might have a solution to improving education for poor people and you're wondering if I want to legislate away all wealth? Huh? I'm taking the right-wing Republican stance here and that gets me called a Socialist?

Glasshat
08-13-2007, 12:24 PM
If the education system is reformed out of the free education for all and into a system where parents pay the entire cost of educating their own children, all this voucher nonsense will go away. Low income families will get an income tax credit for some or all of the cost, middle income families will get some or no tax credit, and high income families will get no tax credit. Send your children to any school you want and let all schools compete for the dollars.

AJAX22
08-13-2007, 12:46 PM
Sorry about juming on you CCW, I didn't mean to come off that strong.

It's a subject that I think about alot, and I just haven't seen any options that look workable.

I personally don't feel that its the governments job to entice anyone to any plan of action, those who can afford the best should get the best and if you can't, work hard so your kids will have better.

I know that uneducated=poor=crime and that the cycle is a vicious one. I just don't think that social planing generally results in a positive outcome and I'm wary of any government beuracratcy and oversight.

I have mixed feelings on redistributing tax revenue to areas other than where it was raised. It used to be you would work hard to move into a good neighborhood where the schools were better because the economic base supported quality services. As soon as you start bussing in 'underprivelaged youth' or redistricting to encorporate wealthy neighborhoods with the poor, what you wind up with is a LCD system where the kids with money get beat up and driven off, where the wealthy schools funding is now the same as the poor schools and more and more people go into alternative educational programs.

I'm not certain that creating a taxpayer funded or legislated method for those in poor schools to attend private institutions will have a net positive effect.

A properly implemented voucher system may actually do some good, I really dont know. I do not however trust the government to implement ANYTHING properly.

KenpoProfessor
08-13-2007, 1:03 PM
I know, let's just ban blacks, or blacks with guns uhhhh, never mind, that was done once already!!! Can you smell the sarcasm?

Have a great gun carryin' Kenpo day

Clyde