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MACGEARAILT
12-19-2012, 11:32 AM
I've seen a lot of discussion and M91/30 s offered on line ie AIM ,etc. I noted there are different receivers (round and hex) ,different makers Tula and Izhevsk .Please advise this newbie.All advice gladly accepted.

AmoAgave
12-19-2012, 11:55 AM
I'm no expert, but did a lot of research before I bought one. Condition seems to be more important then Tula or Izhevsk, Hex or round etc.
Laminate stocks, good bore, no counter bore etc seem to be the deciding factors for the most part. Matching numbers seem to be desirable as well. Tula arsenal is slightly rarer then Izhevsk but doesn't seem to make much difference.

I will say I've enjoyed learning about the Mosin history, and the cheap/free mods to the gun more then any other weapon I've owned. I'm defintely wanting more. Fun and cheap to shoot, and more accurate then I was expecting!

AmoAgave
12-19-2012, 11:55 AM
I'm no expert, but did a lot of research before I bought one. Condition seems to be more important then Tula or Izhevsk, Hex or round etc.
Laminate stocks, good bore, no counter bore etc seem to be the deciding factors for the most part. Matching numbers seem to be desirable as well. Tula arsenal is slightly rarer then Izhevsk but doesn't seem to make much difference.

I will say I've enjoyed learning about the Mosin history, and the cheap/free mods to the gun more then any other weapon I've owned. I'm defintely wanting more. Fun and cheap to shoot, and more accurate then I was expecting!

AmoAgave
12-19-2012, 11:59 AM
Here's some good info......

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/ralph/ralphs-guide-to-buying-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130/

JLMXD
12-19-2012, 12:03 PM
If there is a Big 5 around you I would go check out what they have in stock. If your not into collecting them then a laminated round receiver Izhevsk would be fine for you. If you want a little be more then go with a Hex receiver (if you can find one) or a Tula.
This is just a basic and very fast look at what I would do. You can go into much more detail. I assume someone will chime in with a boat load for you. Good luck and happy hunting.

DennisCA
12-19-2012, 1:15 PM
Also:
http://7.62x54r.net/

My first mosin/c&r rifle was from Big 5 (before I got my c&r lic) and that's prob the way to go. A Tula is more sought after than a Izhevsk and a Hex is more than a round.
And so on and so on...

Try to help you make your mind:
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/4508/mycollection1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/4508/mycollection1.jpg

DennisCA
12-19-2012, 1:16 PM
Also:
http://7.62x54r.net/

My first mosin/c&r rifle was from Big 5 (before I got my c&r lic) and that's prob the way to go. A Tula is more sought after than a Izhevsk and a Hex is more than a round.
And so on and so on...

Try to help you make your mind:
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/4508/mycollection1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img163/4508/mycollection1.jpg

Left to Right:
MN 91-30 from Big 5
MN 91-30 Laminate from Classic Arms
Finn M39
Also 2nd from the right Polish M44

Capybara
12-19-2012, 1:34 PM
Condition is everything. Personally I would rather have a mid to late 30s hex Tula than anything else but I bought a '42 Izhevsk, probably the most common Mosin. Counterbored shouldn't really be a deal breaker, I have both counterbored and non and they seem to shoot about the same. I wouldn't want a counterbored sniper if I was spending $600.00 but for a $99.00 91/30, not a big factor.

Have seen shiny bores that shoot crappy and dark bores that shoot great, no telling until you shoot it how it will shoot. There are lots of close to free things that can be done with the 91/30 to make it a lot more accurate and you can buy some better ammo too. The milsurp ammo is great, but there is more accurate ammo.

Check the firing pin protrusion and head space, especially if the bolt is mismatched. The gun should come with the Mosin tool to check protrusion and a Field Gauge is $26.00 on Amazon, a wise piece of mind investment.

This is a good starting place
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/ralph/ralphs-guide-to-buying-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/ralph/ralph%E2%80%99s-guide-to-buying-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130-pt-2/

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2011/03/ralph/ralph%E2%80%99s-guide-to-buying-your-first-mosin-nagant-9130-pt-3/

And then get your book smarts about Mosins here
http://7.62x54r.net/

Cowboy T
12-24-2012, 9:27 AM
Chief consideration is the condition of the bore. The rifling should be sharp and well-defined, dark or not. The riflng should extend sharply all the way to the muzzle. You can verify this by doing the "308 test". This means inserting a .308 Win or .30-06 (really, any .308-cal round that's handy) into the Mosin's muzzle and seeing how much sticks out. If 1/4" to 1/8" sticks out, that's a good sign.

Overall condition of the metal: does it look like it was cared for? Lots of cosmoline slathererd on it is NOT a bad thing. Matter of fact, I find it kinda reassuring, since cosmo is a great rust protectant.

Typical Mosin bolts will be a little stiff to operate, due to the strong spring in the bolt. But that's OK, as long as it's still smooth. Stiff, yet smooth, is normal and expected in a Mosin. Now, if it's gritty in its action, that could be cause for concern.

The triggers are going to be kinda long and not terrific. Remember, this is a WW1/WW2 field battle rifle intended for basically untrained peasants. But the trigger is exceedingly durable and does smooth out with use. Triggers on Finnish Mosins will be better, since the Finns reworked and accurized 'em. But they had a good platform to work with in the first place; a Russian Mosin is a mighty fine rifle.

Of the Mosins, I would recommend a Russian M91/30 of any vintage, of either Ishevsk or Tula manufacture, that meets the above criteria. The 29" barrel will give you a fuller powder burn and thus more velocity than a carbine would. Plus, they're $100 at Big 5 when they have their (frequent) sales on them.

Cowboy T
12-24-2012, 9:27 AM
Dupe.

MasterChief
12-24-2012, 10:17 AM
My recommendations if you are buying a refurbished rifle from Big 5. My 2 cents:

PWA importer rather than Century
All new wood
All new blue-ing
All matching stamped numbers with no line-outs
Matching bayonet
Accessories including sling
Not counterbored
Eariler barrel date rather than later
Hex receiver rather than round

The idea is to get the most pleasing specimen for your first MN. You may have to compromise on one or more of the above criteria but overall you will end up with something interesting.

This 1923/2 Tula from Big 5 but Century not PWA import and bayo not matching (PWA not available at that time).

http://www.fototime.com/040AE8CF3AB6FBD/xlarge.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/3F3D59CA556A9C9/standard.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/C58C933D0C9190D/standard.jpg

C&Rtrader
12-25-2012, 1:54 PM
Just get one with a good bore if you want to shoot it.

Where are you located? I am sure there is a local cal gunner with one to sell

MACGEARAILT
12-26-2012, 8:02 PM
C&R TRADER, I RESIDE IN FRESNO.THE LOCAL B-5s ARE OUT.THANK YOU.

Meety Peety
12-26-2012, 8:10 PM
HI IM NEW AND I LOVE CAPS LOCK WOOOOOH

6mmintl
12-27-2012, 7:43 AM
Buy this one


Bottom (4th) Finned 91 Moison
Bought this from a Calgunner “ Flyin Brian” 4 months ago and only shot it once.
1942 B barrel with "36<vkt>00" proof marking on barrel, meaning it was assembled at VKT with a Belgian barrel on a 1906 Izhevsk receiver, Imperial eagle marked receiver, Finn modified trigger, small import mark at muzzle. Walnut "ENGLISH CONTRACT" marked stock with hole cut out for unit tag on right side, 1 piece stock is in very good condition with type-2 bands and a perfect hand guard. 3 scratch marks on top of receiver, Bore is very sharp and shiny. It is a great shooter, and accurate. FTF, C & R

http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/23831923/398291455.jpg http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/23831923/398291449.jpg http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/23831923/398291453.jpg http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/23831923/398291450.jpg http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL149/8996569/23831923/398291452.jpg

Marcus von W.
12-27-2012, 8:35 AM
There is a very desirable and very restorable 1939 Tula PEM "ex"-sniper for sale on the Trader right now for $300. This weapon was formerly in my personal collection and is one of the rifles that John Jones, the manager of Aztec Arms at the time, personally hand selected for me back when these were first imported around 10 years ago.

Yeah, it costs more than a run of the mill, one out of 2 million, 1943 Izhevsk 91/30 with a huge, rough, and ugly import mark monkey-hammered into the receiver. You get what you pay for.

grimstuff
12-27-2012, 8:54 AM
Hi all, first post here. Just wanted to mention that it really depends on whether you are eyeing the MN as a shooter or as a collectible. There are all sorts of factors that affect price for collectors, but have nothing to do with whether or not it'll be a great shooter. Tula vs. Izhevsk doesn't matter when it comes to the quality of the rifle. Neither does hex vs round reciever. Also, when you really appreciate the tremendous history of these guns, the appearance of the stock takes on new meaning. My 91/30 looks horrible but it hits at 350 yards with iron sights. Personally, I'd rather have a messed up looking gun that shoots great rather than something pretty to hang on my wall. But then again, I don't consider myself a "collector." I think the best first MN anyone should get is just the "regular old" 91/30 late-30s, early-40s, good bore, and a good crown. You're not going to spend more than $100-150 for such, it's the easiest to find.

Flyin Brian
12-27-2012, 11:48 AM
I can't believe it!!! There is hope for humanity after all!!! I don't think I've ever seen a thread on Calguns where Mosins are discussed and some clown didn't say "IZZY"... 17 posts even, not a single IZZY to be found.

For the first time in my life, I really am proud to be a calgunner :D

Marcus von W.
12-27-2012, 1:10 PM
How can you discuss Moseys without mentioning the Izzy? Besides that, there's the Tooly, Remmy, Westy, Chatty, and Sesty. And of course the Poley, Hungie, Chiney, and Romie made ones. And the Finney Tikkie and Veekey. And "goo-goo gee-gee ga-ga me gotta go pee-pee poo-poo" for those that really can't live or discuss rifles like grown adults without all that baby talk. ;)