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gun toting monkeyboy
12-19-2012, 11:36 AM
Alright, here is my situation. I work at a medical facility for kids in San Diego. The parents and staff are freaked out about the latest school shooting. To the point where my employer wants me to get my CCW in case something ever happens. So now what? How do I phrase this on my application? It has a section that asks for a detailed reason for applicant desiring a CCW license. What do I need to put? What documentation do I need from my employer? What steps do they need to take to let me do this? Is there somebody on here that can help me figure this out? Heeelp! I don't want to screw this up.

-Mb

Glock22Fan
12-19-2012, 11:48 AM
Well, any work related application, if successful in the first place, has a good chance that there will be a restriction "Only valid while actually working." so don't expect to be able to use such a CCW freely (might happen, might not).

And, even if your employer is happy to have you armed around kids, that won't necessarily count for anything with SDSO. Very emotional topic.

Having been a wet blanket so far, good luck.

gun toting monkeyboy
12-19-2012, 11:55 AM
I am in the front office more than in the back with the kids. OTOH, I am also the one closest to the entrance. And one of the few men that works here.

-Mb

Californio
12-19-2012, 11:59 AM
30 years ago when my buddy became an M.D. in San Diego he was offered a CCW because he carried narcotics in his black bag, not sure if that still counts but if your facility has narcotics and might be subject to robbery, that may be enough, I assume it is subjectively up to the current Sheriff under our 58 counties BS law we have today. Send Wildhawker a PM.



Alright, here is my situation. I work at a medical facility for kids in San Diego. The parents and staff are freaked out about the latest school shooting. To the point where my employer wants me to get my CCW in case something ever happens. So now what? How do I phrase this on my application? It has a section that asks for a detailed reason for applicant desiring a CCW license. What do I need to put? What documentation do I need from my employer? What steps do they need to take to let me do this? Is there somebody on here that can help me figure this out? Heeelp! I don't want to screw this up.

-Mb

Scotty
12-19-2012, 12:12 PM
You could still carry at work without a CCW, correct me if I'm wrong. You just can't leave the building with the gun.

gun toting monkeyboy
12-19-2012, 12:16 PM
You could still carry at work without a CCW, correct me if I'm wrong. You just can't leave the building with the gun.

That is true. But the parking lot, may be a bit of an issue. It is private property, and it is fenced in. But the gate remains open during work hours. And I would have to walk through it to get from one side of the building to the other.

Untamed1972
12-19-2012, 12:16 PM
I think you would also need a guard card and BSIS firearms permit if you're going to be carrying for work related purposes.

Quite possible SDSO would say "Tell your employer to hire an armed security guard".

gun toting monkeyboy
12-19-2012, 2:16 PM
Would it be worth getting the guard card first and then applying for the CCW? Or trying to get the CCW first?

-Mb

epilepticninja
12-19-2012, 2:33 PM
The forums double posting has gone crazy. See my response below.

GrizFyrFyter
12-19-2012, 2:35 PM
Get the BSIS Card and the armed guard cert to cover everyone's ***, and ask for a raise.

GrizFyrFyter
12-19-2012, 2:36 PM
Dbl post.

epilepticninja
12-19-2012, 2:37 PM
To the OP, forget it. The only way to get a "work-related" CCW is to be a reserve peace officer. And all that does is give you a three year period in between renewals. If you mentioned that your good cause was due to where you are employed, you would be laughed at, and told that the police are there to protect you.

Also, you mentioned San Diego. The Sheriff of that jacked up county would no more issue a citizen a CCW, then he would cut off his own arm. He's been sued, and it still hasn't helped. He will not issue, for any reason unless you are perhaps, uber-rich, famous, or connected. And most likely not in any of the cases I just mentioned. Matter of fact, I haven't met a single person down here with a CCW. I keep getting asked how I got mine.

Put an unloaded, locked, handgun in your car, and hope your employer doesn't have a policy against it. Also, a guard card and BSIS firearms permit are only good if you are employed by a security agency. Sorry to rain on your parade, but the libtards in the Sandy Dee have made it all but impossible to protect yourself via a firearm. The chicks are hot though.

GrizFyrFyter
12-19-2012, 2:38 PM
To the OP, forget it. The only way to get a "work-related" CCW is to be a reserve peace officer. And all that does is give you a three year period in between renewals. If you mentioned that your good cause was due to where you are employed, you would be laughed at, and told that the police are there to protect you.

Also, you mentioned San Diego. The Sheriff of that jacked up county would no more issue a citizen a CCW, then he would cut off his own arm. He's been sued, and it still hasn't helped. He will not issue, for any reason unless you are perhaps, uber-rich, famous, or connected. And most likely not in any of the cases I just mentioned. Matter of fact, I haven't met a single person down here with a CCW. I keep getting asked how I got mine.

Put an unloaded, locked, handgun in your car, and hope your employer doesn't have a policy against it. Also, a guard card and BSIS firearms permit are only good if you are employed by a security agency. Sorry to rain on your parade, but the libtards in the Sandy Dee have made it all but impossible to protect yourself via a firearm. The chicks are hot though.

Not true. You can work as a PPSO (security guard directly employed by the property/business owner) with a blue card.

epilepticninja
12-19-2012, 2:42 PM
Griz,

Thanks for the clarification.

Librarian
12-19-2012, 3:03 PM
Not true. You can work as a PPSO (security guard directly employed by the property/business owner) with a blue card.

True, but PPSO (I are one) cannot get the exposed firearm permit from BSIS.

http://www.bsis.ca.gov/customer_service/faqs/ppso.shtml Can I carry a firearm and/or a baton while licensed as a Proprietary Private Security Officer (PSO)?

No, a PSO cannot carry a deadly weapon.

gun toting monkeyboy
12-19-2012, 3:12 PM
True, but PPSO (I are one) cannot get the exposed firearm permit from BSIS.

http://www.bsis.ca.gov/customer_service/faqs/ppso.shtml

Yeah, I just found that. That kind of defeats the purpose. :( How do I go about establishing good cause for this? They usually do have narcotics on site in locked boxes. But whether or not they are there depends on which of the patients are in. Is this something worth talking to a gun lawyer about? Or is it a lost cause, in which I should just turn in my application and get shot down?

-Mb

Glock22Fan
12-19-2012, 5:30 PM
Apropos earlier posts, there is a school of thought that only the owner, or someone with a substantial ownership interest, in a business can carry concealed without a CCW, employees can only carry exposed (assuming employer's permission is given).

Seems to be a grey area, but I know Machtinger spoke against it in an earlier edition of his book (don't know if it is still in there) and I have heard anecdotal evidence that an attorney advised a group of California casino emplyees the same thing, when their employer asked them to carry concealed firearms.

Glock22Fan
12-19-2012, 5:39 PM
Apropos earlier posts, there is a school of thought that only the owner, or someone with a substantial ownership interest, in a business can carry concealed without a CCW, employees can only carry exposed (assuming employer's permission is given).

Seems to be a grey area, but I know Machtinger spoke against it in an earlier edition of his book (don't know if it is still in there) and I have heard anecdotal evidence that an attorney advised a group of California casino emplyees the same thing, when their employer asked them to carry concealed firearms.

wweigle
12-19-2012, 5:50 PM
I believe that business owners, and employees with written permission can carry firearms on a business premise. I'm pretty sure its stated somewhere in the California Firearms laws. I would go to the DOJ site and start looking, below is some info from a prior post I saved regarding this issue. Its not clear to me in the second section how an employee may carry, if at all, or if he can only keep at the business.

12026:

Quote:
(a) Section 12025 shall not apply to or affect any citizen
of the United States or legal resident over the age of 18 years who
resides or is temporarily within this state, and who is not within
the excepted classes prescribed by Section 12021 or 12021.1 of this
code or Section 8100 or 8103 of the Welfare and Institutions Code,
who carries, either openly or concealed, anywhere within the citizen's or legal resident's place of residence, place of business, or on
private property owned or lawfully possessed by the citizen or legal
resident any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being
concealed upon the person.
12031:

Quote:
(h) Nothing in this section shall prevent any person engaged in
any lawful business, including a nonprofit organization, or any
officer, employee, or agent authorized by that person for lawful
purposes connected with that business, from having a loaded firearm
within the person's place of business, or any person in lawful
possession of private property from having a loaded firearm on that
property.

Librarian
12-19-2012, 5:59 PM
See the wiki -- http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Unlicensed_Concealed_Carry

Best guess is that employees are not able to CCW without the state license, but open carry is covered.