View Full Version : What do you think of California's Armed Prohibited Persons System?

12-19-2012, 7:16 AM
A friend of mine who's on the fence regarding gun control asked me that question the other day.

For those not familiar with it, APPS (Armed Prohibited Persons System) is a California system put in place on January 1st (a result of SB 819), cross-referencing several databases in order to track prohibited persons and their potential gun purchases.

This allows the DOJ to track previously registered firearms, and if someone becomes the target of a restraining order, or becomes a convicted felon, or is declared mentally unstable, agents will show up and confiscate those (and any other firearms found onsite).

Yesterday the DOJ bragged about seizing some 2,000 firearms from prohibited persons using that system this year.

I told him I was fine with the principle, and that prohibited persons should be, well, prohibited. I am fine with the current standards used by the state (although not happy that some PDs take forever to return confiscated firearms when a gun owner has been cleared of any wrongdoing, or when a restraining order is lifted), so I don't mind it.

What about you guys? Does it feel too Big Brotherish? Or are you OK with the concept?

12-19-2012, 8:15 AM
For some reason I thought that the government could not "legally" retain firearm purchase information for firearms that are not pistols, AW, or NFA. Is this correct?

12-19-2012, 8:22 AM
All handgun purchases since 1991 are registered with the CA DOJ - as well as assault weapons registered prior to the so-called ban. Right now, that's what the APPS looks at. Starting January 1st, 2014, it will also have long gun registration to look at in there.

Apparently this year the DOJ did two sweeps using this system, the first one focusing on 5150 persons, and the second one looking at RAW owners who were later declared prohibited persons. Seems consistent with the amount of 30-rounders displayed in the seized firearms pictures.

Yesterday's press release from the AG's office (http://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-kamala-d-harris-announces-more-2000-firearms-seized-prohibited).

AG's photo op:


12-19-2012, 8:31 AM
I have really mixed feelings on the government having a firearm owner database.

I think it's great that firearms were removed from mentaly unstable people, but I worry about the potential of future government abuse of this knowledge.