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Shane916
08-12-2007, 5:36 PM
Trying to find a nice Leupold scope just for precision target shooting 100 yds-1000 yds.

So far I came across this:

Leupold VX-III 3-5-10x40 - 55046 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Leupold-VX-III-3.5-10x40-Matte-Rifle-Scope-55046-NEW_W0QQitemZ220136781904QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31714Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

Seeing if anyone has one or has any comments about it.

Also open to suggestions to similar scopes in the 400-600 price range :)

Thanks

EricCartmann
08-12-2007, 5:51 PM
Leupold VX's are pretty expensive considering it is made in China. There are much better scopes for cheaper. I like Millet scopes a lot. Glass on them seems to be just as crystal clear as my Leupold Mark4.

PistolPete75
08-12-2007, 5:58 PM
i have a mark 4 6.5-20x50mm, and i love it. i have no problem shooting 800yards with it. very clear glass, love the parallex adjustment, and the moa adjustments are easy to do. i never looked through a millet before.

i say wait, and save a little more money and get a real nice scope your gonna use forever. remember what you can't see, you can't shoot.

Fjold
08-12-2007, 7:26 PM
3.5X10 is not enough power for 1,000 yards, for that distance you will need a higher power of at least 16 and preferably 20-24 X minimum.

Leupold scopes are still considered made in the USA because the majority of the parts are made here, along with final assembly. They farm out their lens manufacturing but they have always done that. Lately the lenses are being made in China while previously they were made in Japan.

Prc329
08-12-2007, 7:43 PM
I personally don't care for leupold but a lot of people have had good luck with them. millet does make some good glass from what I can tell. The unit I looked at had 1/8 clicks. I decided against it because I did not feel like counting all those clicks.

Hoop
08-12-2007, 8:15 PM
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/37805-12483-1511.html

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/14758-52462-1514.html

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/17382-15809-1508.html

I'm not a big fan of the Bushnell elites, but some people like them. Personally I don't see how you could go wrong with a Leupold.

Pthfndr
08-12-2007, 8:19 PM
3.5X10 is not enough power for 1,000 yards, for that distance you will need a higher power of at least 16 and preferably 20-24 X minimum.

That's not necessarily true. It depends on what kind of long range shooting one is going to do. For bullseye target or benchrest, yes, a higher power is better.

For steel or silhouette I would say no. At the tactical long range matches I participate in it's rare to see anything over 20. Most use something in the 10x-17x range as max.

Heck, I used a 4x for 2 years and did better than most people.

EricCartmann
08-12-2007, 9:48 PM
Seriously, I think the Millett tactical series is the best kept secrets to cheap quality optics. Glass as clear as an ACOG and Leupold. I have the 1-4X DMS, but I plan to get TRS for my precision Bolt Action I plan to build in the future.

If you don't believe me, look at Midways rating, average 5 stars.

Here is a link to the TRS
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=740823&t=11082005

Link to DMS
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=186660&t=11082005

Read the reviews.

EricCartmann
08-12-2007, 9:54 PM
If you can't find the link to the reviews here it is:

TRS
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductreview.exe/GetReviews?productid=740823

DMS:
http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductreview.exe/GetReviews?productid=186660


I just have to warn you though, lots of people on this site don't like cheap quality optics and they will hate on you just because you want a good quality cheap optic. they will even compare you to drug dealer, thieves, and murderers ;):D:cool2::43:

rksimple
08-12-2007, 10:01 PM
Trying to find a nice Leupold scope just for precision target shooting 100 yds-1000 yds.

So far I came across this:

Leupold VX-III 3-5-10x40 - 55046 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Leupold-VX-III-3.5-10x40-Matte-Rifle-Scope-55046-NEW_W0QQitemZ220136781904QQihZ012QQcategoryZ31714Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)


That scope only has 51 MOA of total internal adjustment. Depending on the rifle, caliber, and mount, you may not make it to 1000 without having to hold over. Look for a scope in the 70+ MOA range or get an inclined base.

A buddy of mine had a VXIII on a 7.82 Warbird and the scope didn't last very long. Under the heavier recoil, the scope would not hold zero at all. I think it had to go back twice for this same problem. He now has an S&B PMII on it and no problems yet.

For me, Leupold doesn't offer anything that you can't get from another company for a better price and/or with more features. They do have a great warranty, but unfortunately, you may very well need it.

What type of target shooting do you envision? Will this primarily be a range gun or do you see tactical competitions in your future? What about F Class? If this is for your first precision rifle, and you want to get into it on the cheap, go for something like the Bushnell 3200 10x or the Super Sniper. Then save your money to get something much better. Or else just save now and go with IOR, Nightforce, etc.

Prc329
08-12-2007, 10:19 PM
Save up for a little while longer and get an IOR. cheaper then a nightforce but an incredible piece of glass.

Shane916
08-12-2007, 10:40 PM
Thanks for all the replies everyone! I appreciate it!

This will be for my first precision rifle and I have no intentions of competing. I have read a lot about the Super Sniper but I figured for a few hundred more I would be able to purchase something a little nicer. Although as a first scope maybe the SS is the way to go? or maybe the Millett..? Then like you said save for a nicer scope later on down the road...seems like a good idea!

I was also unaware that Leupold's were affiliated in any way to Chinese parts !

Prc329
08-12-2007, 10:52 PM
I started with a super sniper and later when funds were available moved to an IOR. The difference is incredible. The SS is a great place to learn how to shoot before getting more hardcore glass. The problem with the TRS-1 (Millet) is the 1/8 clicks. That would be a lot of clicks to get lost in. Takes my 1/4 moa scope. 52 to get to 600 yards with my chosen load. I would hate to count 1/8 clicks.

rksimple
08-12-2007, 10:59 PM
I started with a super sniper and later when funds were available moved to an IOR. The difference is incredible. The SS is a great place to learn how to shoot before getting more hardcore glass. The problem with the TRS-1 (Millet) is the 1/8 clicks. That would be a lot of clicks to get lost in. Takes my 1/4 moa scope. 52 to get to 600 yards with my chosen load. I would hate to count 1/8 clicks.

1/8th minute clicks would get annoying. But it would be a lot easier if you didn't count clicks at all. Just think in minutes. Look at the numbers on the knob. Know how many minutes/rev your scope has and what stadia line represents zero. It makes things SOOO much easier.

PistolPete75
08-12-2007, 11:06 PM
i trust rksimple judgement. i went shooting with him this weekend. he is a good shooter, and had plenty of tips for me. he and wildcard got me hitting steel at 500-800yards, and it was my first time for me shooting this far.

PistolPete75
08-12-2007, 11:12 PM
one more thing, going back to the Leupold thing. i know other's like us optics and ior, but i really really love the mark 4. best bet is to try to test out other peoples scope before you decide on which one works best for you.

bruce_ventura
08-12-2007, 11:25 PM
I agree with Pthfndr. Just because the target appears bigger, doesn't necessarily mean it is clearer. At 20X maginfication a 40 mm objective will produce a 2 mm exit pupil. Under typical daytime illumination (bright day to heavy overcast) the eye pupil is 2.5 -3.5 mm. Visual acuity actually degrades when the exit pupil is smaller than the eye pupil. It would be better to back off from 20X and stay with a magnification of ~12X or less (40 mm objective) or ~16X or less (50 mm ojective).

Forgot one thing - IMO the main problem with over-magnification is the loss of situational awareness that comes with a smaller field-of-view. It can lead to dumb stuff like shooting the wrong target at the range, or worse, failing to notice when shooting becomes unsafe because livestock or a person wanders down range. Tip: Use enough magnification to optimize visual acuity, and no more.

PistolPete75
08-12-2007, 11:36 PM
I agree with Pthfndr. Just because the target appears bigger, doesn't necessarily mean it is clearer. At 20X maginfication a 40 mm objective will produce a 2 mm exit pupil. Under typical daytime illumination (bright day to heavy overcast) the eye pupil is 2.5 -3.5 mm. Visual acuity actually degrades when the exit pupil is smaller than the eye pupil. It would be better to back off from 20X and stay with a magnification of ~12X or less (40 mm objective) or ~16X or less (50 mm ojective).

i took mine to 20x with a 50mm objective. i just had to set the parallex, and i saw the 800target with no problem. clear as daylight, but i did pick up alot of mirage.

EricCartmann
08-12-2007, 11:49 PM
one more thing, going back to the Leupold thing. i know other's like us optics and ior, but i really really love the mark 4. best bet is to try to test out other peoples scope before you decide on which one works best for you.

I really don't know if IOR's are better than Mark4's. Mark4's are really fine scopes. I have one myself, a 3.5-10x40 Illuminated TMR. For the longest I thought it was the greatest... that is until I tried the Millit. Glass on the Millet is just as clear (I am not exagerating here). Difference is I paid $235 for the Millet while I paid $1100 for the Leupold Mark4.

I am still glad I bought the Mark4 though. They are used on crazyhorse rifles, and they are probably rugged as hell. Also no questions asked warranty by Leupold does not hurt. On top of all that they are designer sshhiitt, and designer labels are good!

But at $220, I can break 5 Millets before I break even one Mark4 :D

Comstock Lode
08-13-2007, 8:15 AM
VX III, 6.5 x 20 40mm target. May not be available generally, but is still available online.

Fjold
08-13-2007, 8:23 AM
I bought a 4.5x14 Burris last and I am very pleased with the optical clarity.

Other scopes not mentioned are the Weavers, I have two and the click repeatability on both of them is as accurate as any scope that I've ever tested.