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alphanumericone
12-17-2012, 10:03 AM
My wife is a school teacher.
She has also taught martial arts and self defense over the years, and in the last couple years has really enjoyed getting into shooting.

Lately she has been thinking about her room and the challenges it presents in the event of an attacker coming on campus. She is in a modular building with a single door and a large window on the same wall as the door. There are no other exits, or windows at a height suitable for exit.

With these tactical limitations in mind, she really wishes she was able to have something to protect herself and her students in her classroom. Clearly a firearm is out of the question, but she was thinking about getting a can of bear spray. Is anybody aware of the laws surrounding having something like bear spray or pepper spray on school grounds in California?

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sikjeep
12-17-2012, 10:50 AM
Have her ask here principal.

winnre
12-17-2012, 10:54 AM
Bear spray can kill a person and it will not always stop bears.

donny douchebag
12-17-2012, 10:57 AM
Nor bullets

mxadam579
12-17-2012, 11:04 AM
BEAR SPRAY

YubaRiver
12-17-2012, 11:19 AM
Bear spray can kill a person and it will not always stop bears.

Links?

Bear spray stops bears more often than bullets.
Gas masks worn by the perp could be an issue.

GrizzlyGuy
12-17-2012, 11:23 AM
Clearly a firearm is out of the question, but she was thinking about getting a can of bear spray. Is anybody aware of the laws surrounding having something like bear spray or pepper spray on school grounds in California?

Not a good idea, bear spray is a registered pesticide (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3462950&postcount=29) and excluded from the law that allows you to use "tear gas" in self-defense. Pepper spray (a "tear gas" covered by the law) would be a better choice unless her employment contract or school's policies say she can't bring it to school.

Make sure it is an aerosol can (not a Pepper Blaster) and that the can contains 2.5 Oz or less. I like the stream versions (more precise and longer range) vs. the fog versions, but I mainly carry mine so as to have a non-lethal alternative to Mr. Glock when dealing with aggressive dogs in our neighborhood. A LEO could probably better advise on which is better for her intended use.

winnre
12-17-2012, 11:45 AM
Links?

Bear spray stops bears more often than bullets.
Gas masks worn by the perp could be an issue.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-12-22/man-dies-after-police-use-capsicum-spray/1187600

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/pepper-spray.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100719074539AAh4lNW

Curley Red
12-17-2012, 11:52 AM
On the Counter Assault can of bear spray that I have it states that it is federally illegal to use on humans.

winnre
12-17-2012, 11:57 AM
On the Counter Assault can of bear spray that I have it states that it is federally illegal to use on humans.

Aha! It doesn't say that on my hammer! Woohoo!

j/k

YubaRiver
12-17-2012, 12:05 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-12-22/man-dies-after-police-use-capsicum-spray/1187600

http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/tasers/pepper-spray.html

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100719074539AAh4lNW

From the Canadian Article
" there is no direct medical proof that the spray itself actually causes death. He believes the problems stem more from pre-existing conditions, such as asthma."

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Bear Spray is REQUIRED of Canadian Hikers in Grizzly territory in some parks. You can spray out to 30 yards with it. Less concern about "overpenetration" than a bullet.

mud99
12-17-2012, 1:54 PM
Looks like bear spray is good to go in San Francisco.

http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/11/28/bear-spray-brings-down-an-alleged-burglar-in-noe-valley/

mud99
12-17-2012, 1:54 PM
Looks like bear spray is good to go in San Francisco.

http://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2012/11/28/bear-spray-brings-down-an-alleged-burglar-in-noe-valley/

deckhandmike
12-17-2012, 3:41 PM
The LEO version used on inmates is devistatingly effective. Easy to use and easy to train with. Most women or non firearm teacher types wouldn't hesitate to pepper spray compared to actually shoot a firearm. It's used often where I work and it puts you on the ground dry heaving and blind in seconds even with a poor shot.

Quiet
12-18-2012, 6:06 AM
Not a good idea, bear spray is a registered pesticide (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3462950&postcount=29) and excluded from the law that allows you to use "tear gas" in self-defense. Pepper spray (a "tear gas" covered by the law) would be a better choice unless her employment contract or school's policies say she can't bring it to school.

Because "bear spray" is an economic posion (pesticide), technically, it is considered a deadly weapon when used aganist humans.

Kid Stanislaus
12-18-2012, 7:41 AM
In the face of a deadly threat the use of a deadly weapon is legitimate self defense.

tcrpe
12-18-2012, 7:42 AM
Bear spray is not a pesticide or a poison. FUD

tcrpe
12-18-2012, 7:44 AM
My gun doesn't say on it that it's illegal to use on humans. Neither do my fists.

pHredd9mm
12-18-2012, 8:04 AM
I used to substitute teach. I carried pepper spray, a flashlight and a folding knife in little holsters on my belt along with my cell phone. Never a word from anyone at all the schools I was at. Never took the knife or pepper spray out of the holster carriers, but did use the flashlight occasionally. Out of sight, out mind.

GrizzlyGuy
12-18-2012, 8:33 AM
Bear spray is not a pesticide or a poison. FUD

I guess you didn't click the link (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showpost.php?p=3462950&postcount=29) I provided. Straight from the horse's (manufacturer's) mouth:


This thread made me curious about the legality of the large (> 2.5 Oz) bear spray canisters, as we frequently see them up here in bear country (mostly carried by tourists, we locals just yell at the bears and they scamper).

I E-mailed my question to the folks at Counterassault.com and they replied:

Quote:
Yes, the bear spray is legal in California because it is a registered pesticide. The 2.5 oz restriction only applies to personal defense sprays.


That makes bear spray legal to use against bears and other pests. Humans aren't in that category.

Mitch
12-18-2012, 8:46 AM
If there are chairs in the classroom your wife has weapons at her disposal. The efficacy of chairs as weapons depends to a great degree on the age of the students.

The Virginia Tech shooting could have been stopped cold if just one student threw a chair at Cho, and a couple others dogpiled on top of him.

My GF came back from some training her company (a utility) gave on what to do about an active shooter. I was pleased to hear than instead of cowering in fear until they got shot, it was suggested they look around for anything that could be used as a weapon and use it. The training was out of some US government pamphlets, too.

That's progress, anyway.

Jack L
12-19-2012, 8:08 AM
Bear spray can kill a person and it will not always stop bears.

It is illegal to use bear spray on a human in CA. All cans of spray that are marked for use on animals cannot be used on humans.

Bt Doctur
12-19-2012, 1:56 PM
Well, i guess the only other thing is a squirt gun filled with sulfuric or nitric acid.

todd2968
12-19-2012, 2:00 PM
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todd2968
12-19-2012, 2:00 PM
http://www.kimberamerica.com/images/pepperblaster/pepperblaster.png

Dr.Lou
12-19-2012, 2:11 PM
Well, i guess the only other thing is a squirt gun filled with sulfuric or nitric acid.

Good luck finding a squirt gun that is acid resistant - and that's also illegal. As a chemical weapons, firearms and Taser Instructor. Short of using deadly force, I prefer pepper spray over the Taser for most applications, especially if they are wearing heavy clothing or body armor. I have never had pepper spray fail me - the Eskimos hate it! The only problem with spray is that it takes a couple seconds to really work - doesn't work with a gas mask.

Dr.Lou
12-19-2012, 2:11 PM
Well, i guess the only other thing is a squirt gun filled with sulfuric or nitric acid.

Good luck finding a squirt gun that is acid resistant - and that's also illegal. As a chemical weapons, firearms and Taser Instructor. Short of using deadly force, I prefer pepper spray over the Taser for most applications, especially if they are wearing heavy clothing or body armor. I have never had pepper spray fail me - the Eskimos hate it! The only problem with spray is that it takes a couple seconds to really work - doesn't work with a gas mask.