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problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:46 PM
The wife and I spent 9 days in ID and came back with a great feeling about the place. We both really like the Coeur D Alene area. The specific area we were looking at is further out but still a decent drive to the city and jobs.

Land is cheap and houses are not much more. We saw a really nice 3 story log cabin on 10 acres in the forest with water, electric and septic for 200k. We saw others as cheap as 25k if you did not want the land and forest trees.

Bottom line is there are plenty of jobs up there and the area is nothing short of amazing. I was able to wear my .45 on my hip the whole time and no one cared one stinkin bit.

As far as bug out locations go its a longs ways from here and you would never get there is something big happened. If you were not there already its over.

The area itself was covered with rivers and lakes. The wildlife was abundant. We saw turkeys, white tail, elk, trout and geese by the thousands. It is a hunters paradise and I cannot wait to move.

Our T-Minus clock has started ticking and we are making decisions to get us out of here and moved up there. If a guy had an internet business you could build a cabin on 100 acres a bit further from town and be living large.

If any of you want some help moving to ID I have tons of resources after 4 months of searching.

Some pics.........
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problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:51 PM
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wjc
12-11-2012, 8:51 PM
nice!

What are the major industries in Idaho? Farming/Ranching?

I think those turkeys are Easterns or Mirriams.

Ism415
12-11-2012, 8:53 PM
I'm so happy for you and not far behind!!!

problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:54 PM
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our favorite of the trip...

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problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:55 PM
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Ism415
12-11-2012, 8:56 PM
ARN!

wjc
12-11-2012, 8:57 PM
You're gonna need a canoe for those lakes!

problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:57 PM
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problemchild
12-11-2012, 8:59 PM
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problemchild
12-11-2012, 9:01 PM
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Ninety
12-11-2012, 9:05 PM
Have family near Boise.. only thing keeping me from moving is Glamis and no work up there... very interested in what kind of industry you found to be hiring up in the pan handle...

problemchild
12-11-2012, 9:09 PM
Have family near Boise.. only thing keeping me from moving is Glamis and no work up there... very interested in what kind of industry you found to be hiring up in the pan handle...

Honestly you could flip hamburgers and deliver pizzas for the $600/mo house payment.

The wife is is the medical field and I can scrounge up new IT customers easy just knocking on doors. I have a really since about this place.

Well I'm up at ohhhh-three-hundred so good night all........

cycle61
12-11-2012, 9:12 PM
I'm a northwest transplant myself...awesome pictures, you're making me want to extend my Christmas trip and look around Oregon and parts of Idaho now.

11HE9
12-11-2012, 9:17 PM
Beautiful country... my wife keeps looking at realestate listings up there. The Mrs is a Navy brat, she gets the itch to move about every three or four years. I'm a frostbite casualty, I don't do well in the northern climates anymore :(. We may look at Arizona in a few years when I can retire :oji:

badreligion
12-11-2012, 9:23 PM
Very nice pictures. I would love to move to somewhere more rural than were I currently live but it's just not in the cards right now as my wife is a born and bred city girl. I have a few acres in North Eastern Washington but its not really buildable. Some of those houses you showed look amazing. Good luck with your adventures, and welcome back for the time being.

k1dude
12-11-2012, 10:08 PM
Very nice!!! I used to live in Boise and I LOVE Idaho. Unfortunately the missus doesn't like cold weather so I'm likely not heading back.

BomarFab
12-11-2012, 10:18 PM
Jealous. I want to be up there.

bsg
12-11-2012, 10:22 PM
looks great.

Intimid8tor
12-11-2012, 10:25 PM
I really wanted to get to CDA or the surrounding area. But the wife got her job here first. It may happen at some point, but I doubt it. I'm going to have to be happy with Southern Idaho. Since that is the case, we'll be looking out in Star and Emmett. If I could get her to go to Horseshoe Bend I would look there as well.

The only way I see us getting to CDA is.... I don't see it happening. I've never been to CDA, but that area just looked like paradise. I shouldn't complain. We can be in unpopulated wilderness in just a few minutes. I just want to be somewhere smaller than Boise and further away from the hoardes of people when SHTF.

xBEEFEDGEx
12-11-2012, 10:39 PM
Wow. It's amazing up there. I'd give anything to move to ID/MT/WY area!

oceanrider
12-11-2012, 10:52 PM
Really nice. Those homes look great. Prices sound great.

What else is there in terms of work or jobs ?

echo1
12-12-2012, 1:00 AM
pc,

I've spent a little time up there, it's great. My bud lives in Rathdrum and we try to visit every few years. He's a transplant from Fremont, been there since '78. He's done real good. Couple houses, couple duplexes, solid reputation. My yougest boy moved up there on his own when he was about 22, but pounding nails in the snow was too rough for him. I think he'll end up in that area some day. Good luck, Merry Christmas, PAX

speedrrracer
12-12-2012, 7:13 AM
Welcome back, PC!

Looks like a great trip. I'm partial to the house with the big-arse stone chimney. :)

Getting a place with running water (that wasn't downstream from some toxic industrial plants) would be a dream come true. I think you have a sweet choice with a place on a river. Heck, we're getting +/- 1 kilowatt at 6 knots from the two impellers on our boat -- I imagine that having a stream flowing through your property would be like owning the power company!

Just thought -- would that stream freeze in the winter?

And open carry. That's just amazing. Don't think I would do it, even if it were legal, but I would definitely try it at least once, just to know what having the option felt like.

ExAcHog
12-12-2012, 7:32 AM
I love the area you were looking at. We have family in the Moscow area. 5 years and counting til we are up there!

Manolito
12-12-2012, 7:45 AM
I hope all goes well for you and your move. Life is a little harder in Idaho than even where I live and I get four to five months of snow and ice. Notice there are no cement walks or driveways? You need a good mud room to help keep the house cleaner. My wife fights a constant battle ofthe wood debris coming in with the wood to heat and me feeding and then undressing in the mud room.

My people are farmers from pocatello area. The job situation must be getting better. Last I heard jobs were non existant. Now a rural pediatrician would be welcome anytime tough to get Dr's to live in the country not enough money and not enough facilities. hell we can't even get large animal vets to live in our area they make too much money taking care of poodles and cats in the city and don't get hurt like a cow kick etc.

Keep us posted on how things go. have you visited in the winter yet?

dls
12-12-2012, 7:46 AM
My Mom and Step Dad live in the Weiser area. with property on the Snake river and the other side of the little town.
They're general contractors, they stay very busy building homes, cabins, barns, remodels for lot's of Ca. transplants.

Too cold for me.

Cnynrat
12-12-2012, 9:57 AM
Sounds like you had a good trip. We are also thinking seriously about northern ID, but MT is still on the list as well. I've spent some time there, but my wife has not so we're planning a similar trip for next year.

I used to think about buying 10 or 20 acres and building, but prices on existing homes have fallen so much since 2008 that I think it's hard to make sense of that financially right now. That might change before we get up there - probably about 5 years away.

Have you investigated Internet access up there? Sounds like it may be tough to get good service in most remote locations.

problemchild
12-12-2012, 2:42 PM
There are a ton of rural wireless providers for the area. If that doesnt work there is sat. Im not too worried about the web as I will be either working, hunting, fishing or sleeping. Screw the internet!:D


Sounds like you had a good trip. We are also thinking seriously about northern ID, but MT is still on the list as well. I've spent some time there, but my wife has not so we're planning a similar trip for next year.

I used to think about buying 10 or 20 acres and building, but prices on existing homes have fallen so much since 2008 that I think it's hard to make sense of that financially right now. That might change before we get up there - probably about 5 years away.

Have you investigated Internet access up there? Sounds like it may be tough to get good service in most remote locations.

paul0660
12-12-2012, 2:45 PM
Been there. Pray for Global Warming.

Sunday
12-12-2012, 2:51 PM
Winters are brisk so to say!!!

problemchild
12-12-2012, 3:01 PM
Winters are brisk so to say!!!

Colder the better! I love cold. Probably have 4k in winter gear and boots. Camped in -29f winters for months and loved it.

chiselchst
12-12-2012, 3:03 PM
ID has captured my interest also. While there recently, I had to go in to MT for Family matters, and I was equally impressed - if not more impressed.

I have an AZ/FL CCW so carrying wasn't an issue.

But the people - that was what struck me. They were all polite, and the kids respectful (no baggie pants seen), just it used to be here a few decades ago :eek:

My partner bought a custom place in Kimberely, ID, added another garage (5 cars now), and a heavy insulated steal shop with dual roll up doors. All for a decent price.

It's like it's suppose to be - everywhere. Common sense, and decent people.

Nice pics...

Cnynrat
12-12-2012, 3:20 PM
There are a ton of rural wireless providers for the area. If that doesnt work there is sat. Im not too worried about the web as I will be either working, hunting, fishing or sleeping.

I hear nothing but bad things about the satellite providers, everything from bad customer service to poor performance.

Rural wireless is probably the way to go, but I think it's only available in certain areas still. That might improve over time though.

I've even read about one guy near Sagle that pays about $400/month for a dedicated T1 line. He's got a home business though, so not just your average web surfer.

Screw the internet!:D

But, but, but .... What about Calguns?

paul0660
12-12-2012, 3:26 PM
I don't really care, and will probably die in the house I live in, BUT they do bury water pipes 6 feet deep up there.

I don't think any Californian, even those who get out for some skiing occasionally, understand cold as it is in south Canada. I was once up there and the heater pilot light went out. I saw my life flash before me.

strokesdmb
12-12-2012, 3:26 PM
I'm getting flown up there by a potential employer right after the first. I'd be around the Parma area. Have you been there?

roc_my_tims
12-12-2012, 3:48 PM
How much was the house that was your fav? Looked awesome.

Mam why did i marry a citi girl. Im from la also. But deep down ive always felt like i belong somewhere out doorsy

problemchild
12-12-2012, 5:17 PM
How much was the house that was your fav? Looked awesome.

Mam why did i marry a citi girl. Im from la also. But deep down ive always felt like i belong somewhere out doorsy

It had an offer on it for 206k and they were asking 225k.

Intimid8tor
12-12-2012, 5:40 PM
I'm getting flown up there by a potential employer right after the first. I'd be around the Parma area. Have you been there?

Parma is actually pretty cool in my book. Very small. Farm country. They grow sugar beets and onions I think out that way. Great range out at Parma Rod and Gun Club. Not wooded at all. Open fields. Though from Parma you are not too far from some nice wilderness areas.

SoCalJ
12-13-2012, 5:54 PM
Hey PC,

If it's not too much trouble could you post up a few of the house pics with asking prices? Perhaps a low, medium, and high? Or pic #3 was ..., Pic #8 was..., etc.


If I only had your mailing addy I could send you some beef jerky...:D

Thanks PC, another nice thread!

Jay

Saym14
12-13-2012, 6:13 PM
looks great if you arent buried in snow half the year. try going in January or february.

kb58
12-13-2012, 6:18 PM
I have a buddy not far from that area who said that the local economy was really bad. I've seen that in a number of places and your's is the first post to say it was good. To be fair, myy buddy said that finding anything better than working at Walmart (if there's even one around) or as a cook, things are very limited, so that was his baseline of comparison. My buddy loves it there, though he may be a bit "off", as he and his wife sleep on the porch year-round, even with the snow...

OTOH, if you have an internet business (or are a writer... or composer) you're all set.

problemchild
12-14-2012, 3:36 AM
I have a buddy not far from that area who said that the local economy was really bad. I've seen that in a number of places and your's is the first post to say it was good. To be fair, myy buddy said that finding anything better than working at Walmart (if there's even one around) or as a cook, things are very limited, so that was his baseline of comparison. My buddy loves it there, though he may be a bit "off", as he and his wife sleep on the porch year-round, even with the snow...

OTOH, if you have an internet business (or are a writer... or composer) you're all set.

Yeah Im not getting that. Down here half the stores are closed and up there I did not see one empty building. But remember a decent house and payment is 650/month up there so how much job do you need? You do not need a 4500/mo job for both you and the wife to survive.
Here.........

https://labor.idaho.gov/idahoworks/es/jobsearch/default.aspx?jsQuery=&jsRowCount=20&jsCurrentPage=121&jsLocation=coeur%20d%20alene&jsDistance=50&jsPostTime=&jsHours=&jsLength=&jsSOC=&jsSortBy=Rank

Yehosha
12-17-2012, 11:06 PM
My wife and I are currently looking at some spots in the White Mountains in AZ. ID, and MT are also up for consideration. CO was, but it's pretty much off the list now. What made you choose ID over other places?

Foebia
12-17-2012, 11:49 PM
Co <was> here also. Going to ID in feb for some recon. Boise or twin falls. To start. May not have the trees but winter may have less snow to shovel. Thans for the pics. Beautiful area.

anthonyca
12-18-2012, 12:03 AM
Yeah Im not getting that. Down here half the stores are closed and up there I did not see one empty building. But remember a decent house and payment is 650/month up there so how much job do you need? You do not need a 4500/mo job for both you and the wife to survive.
Here.........

https://labor.idaho.gov/idahoworks/es/jobsearch/default.aspx?jsQuery=&jsRowCount=20&jsCurrentPage=121&jsLocation=coeur%20d%20alene&jsDistance=50&jsPostTime=&jsHours=&jsLength=&jsSOC=&jsSortBy=Rank

Where are you that half the stores are closed? I could transfer to Idaho with my company but I would literally make less than 25% of what I make here. Some guys did transfer and while the hunting and gun laws are great, a $1800 AR with a $250 SBR stamp, 1k can and another $250 stamp becomes out of reach when your only making $15 an hour and don't get hours every week.

Also, heating the house is very expensive when its -F. Don't get me wrong, Idaho is beautiful and the freedom is still great, but going there thinking the economy is going to be better did not work well for the guys the I know who transferred.

It may work better for you and your circumstances and I hope it does. When retire I will look into moving but I really don't want to freeze my nuts off or shovel snow when I'm old.

Yehosha
12-27-2012, 11:38 AM
My wife and I are currently looking at some spots in the White Mountains in AZ. ID, and MT are also up for consideration. CO was, but it's pretty much off the list now. What made you choose ID over other places?

Problemchild, as my family and I are making the same decision as you in your wife, any insight into what made you chose ID over other locations would be helpful. Any chance you'd share with us what led you to your location choice?

tmphoto
12-27-2012, 11:57 AM
CDA has a great gun shop too. They do custom builds as well as have a lot of other guns and products and their prices are pretty good. Check out "Downtown Guns and Ammo."

http://www.downtownguns.com/

MFortie
12-27-2012, 1:37 PM
Five friends of mine (families) moved up there ten years ago or so (Rathdrum, Post Falls, etc.) Three families have come back to San Diego, one couple divorced and she's back in San Diego and he's working the South Dakota oil fields and the fifth one (the original) passed away this year (wife is still there.)

Not as easy as it sounds -- work was tough to find and didn't pay that well (and they locals don't like Californians quite so much). The one in the S. Dakota was selling real estate until the economy collapsed. Then he was driving a school bus.

Beautiful area and cold winters -- I also have family in the Sandpoint area, but they've been there a long time.

Good luck!

(PS -- I'd probably have joined the exodus ten years ago but my wife doesn't like to be cold and I'm kinda fond of her! :D )

Tactical951
12-27-2012, 2:52 PM
BEAUTIFUL!

JJKESSEL
12-28-2012, 1:18 AM
Amazing pictures. My wife and I have decided that we are done with CA and are moving to either Boise Metro or CDA. We probably won't make the move for 4-5 months but any information you have would be fantastic.

Do you have any advise between Boise and CDA? My wife is a new Medical Assistant and I am a Realtor.

Jeff

problemchild
12-30-2012, 12:26 AM
Amazing pictures. My wife and I have decided that we are done with CA and are moving to either Boise Metro or CDA. We probably won't make the move for 4-5 months but any information you have would be fantastic.

Do you have any advise between Boise and CDA? My wife is a new Medical Assistant and I am a Realtor.

Jeff


CDA is a lush, tree covered, lakes everywhere, rivers everywhere and just down right awesome. Boise is in the high desert and not near as "wet" as CDA. CDA has many other smaller towns around it and then Spokane down the road. Boise is all by itself for the most part.

We like CDA. I think it is mostly a resort town with not much manufacturing though. The pay scale is not as high as the big city. Buy small and pay low for your house. Places are sitting for sale for a long time. Look at East spirit lake for land and houses. All lots are at least 10 acres and tree covered with water, power and natural gas. Great deals to be had.

I think we are going to pay cash for some land and maybe stick a log cabin on it. Maybe ...will see how things go.

Dean58
12-30-2012, 5:01 AM
in reading through this thread (thanks OP) I'm seeing a lot of the same discussions that my wife and I have been having (she's born and raised SoCal). Our compromise is that we decided that we can downsize dramatically and keep something small in SD (for social ties and access to some business clients) and be ID snowbirds. If I can get her up there for extended periods hopefully she'll acclimate and want less time in CA!

Anyway, in our research I found this site that provides a lot of info on the various cities/regions (weather, jobs, housing, etc), and has links to forum discussions that answer some of the questions being posted here.

Best to all....

http://www.city-data.com/city/Idaho.html

pdq_wizzard
01-21-2013, 11:38 AM
sorry to bump this but man those pics are just, just, I can't see the screen I think my eye's are leaking :D

LeadSlinger585
01-21-2013, 11:51 AM
Fantastic pictures!

I'm also considering a move to ID. Did you visit Sandpoint? I'd like to buy some land on the outskirts of Sandpoint set up a temporary yurt and build my dream house.

I sent you a PM regarding your information about Idaho.

DudeDoug2000
01-21-2013, 8:17 PM
Uncle lives there and dad is going in about a month and hopefully I'm only a year or two away myself. Work in the oil industry here in California and it's drying up work wise money isn't what it used to be so time to move on! Frankly the money has kept me here too long anyways.

till44
01-24-2013, 12:07 PM
I grew up in the area just farther north in Sandpoint, only been here in CA for 6 years, and its a great place to live. Jobs are tough though, I'm not sure what you found but the big industry currently in the panhandle in tourism. The ski resorts, guided hunts, home rentals, boat rentals and hotels employ a good number of people. Logging used to be the primary industry but most of the mills have been shut down. Wen I go back to visits half the people I used to know have moved away, the other half are retires out of CA. Half of the retires are cops and firefighters. As long as you stay in the Couerd A'lene/Post Falls area you should have a better shot at finding work.

LRShooter
01-24-2013, 12:27 PM
I love northern Idaho and western Montana. Even Spokane is nice. I'd really like to move there. Hopefully before retirement, which is nearly 20 years away.

I'm planning on taking the family up there in June. The wife has never seen the area. Hopefully, she'll feel the same way I do about the area.

Job wise, I could continue working with my same employer. As an airline pilot, I can commute to work down to SLC, or any of the other domiciles we have. That said, commuting isn't very fun.

MigNoche
01-26-2013, 9:21 PM
Thx for all the gorgeous pics....what motivation to get out of this Communist State.

toyzilla
01-29-2013, 5:22 PM
The wife and I have been talking about moving out of Cali as well. Idaho is on the list as well as TX, CO (keep going back and forth), UT, TN and SC.

The only thing keeping us here right now is my parents. Dad is turning 80 in March and health is going down. Mom will be 72 in Feb. I have been talking to them about moving to the same place as us, where ever we end up.

stinkfinger
01-30-2013, 11:59 AM
PC, I don't know how you got the impression that there are plenty of jobs in the CDA area. Well let me rephrase that, there are jobs, if you are in the medical field. Before everyone says I have no idea what I am talking about, I'll give you some history. My wife and I moved here last spring. We moved only after she had a job offer. She is a PA. She makes decent money. We bought before we came. I searched for 4 months for employment before even getting a interview. No I was not picky, I applied for virtually all work that I was qualified for, including very remedial labor. I was/am a ASE master technician. I have no desire to work as a mechanic anymore. Most jobs out here pay very little. Some examples; cabelas $9.00/hr, landscaping $7-11/hr with experience, firefighters start at 36k for kootenai fire, smaller departments are $9.25/hr, police officers 19.15/hr. Some people choose to commute to spokane because the wages are higher.
So, I am just trying to tell everyone the grass is not always greener, there always is some sort of compromise. With all that said, I haveno desire to move back to california. Life has been awesome out here, but very different. Not everyone assimilates to the way things are here. Best advice, come with a job secured and plenty of cash.

Davidwhitewolf
01-30-2013, 3:50 PM
My Mom and Step Dad live in the Weiser area. with property on the Snake river and the other side of the little town.
They're general contractors, they stay very busy building homes, cabins, barns, remodels for lot's of Ca. transplants.

Too cold for me.

I have ended up stopping at the Weiser McDonald's every year on my annual drive north to Boomershoot in Orofino Idaho. Nice town, and friendly people.

1/3 of my reason for my annual trip to Idaho is Boomershoot itself (3 days of long-range explosive targets, duh!), 1/3 is the amazing views on the drive from Boise north on US 95 (as amazing as anything in Bavaria at the right time of year), and 1/3 is the gorgeous views of the Clearwater canyon on the drive down Cavendish Road to Orofino every afternoon from the shooting site. The only time I take off work every year is to go to Idaho, it's that spectacular. And people tell us it's even prettier further north.

I am sure there are equally amazing views in California, but I haven't encountered them yet. Even U.S. 1 doesn't compare IMO.

My wife and I are in California for the foreseeable future, but our eventual retreat/vacation/retirement home will be either in Oregon's Wallowa Valley or somewhere in Idaho.

luvtolean
01-30-2013, 3:57 PM
PC, I don't know how you got the impression that there are plenty of jobs in the CDA area. Well let me rephrase that, there are jobs, if you are in the medical field. Before everyone says I have no idea what I am talking about, I'll give you some history. My wife and I moved here last spring. We moved only after she had a job offer. She is a PA. She makes decent money. We bought before we came. I searched for 4 months for employment before even getting a interview. No I was not picky, I applied for virtually all work that I was qualified for, including very remedial labor. I was/am a ASE master technician. I have no desire to work as a mechanic anymore. Most jobs out here pay very little. Some examples; cabelas $9.00/hr, landscaping $7-11/hr with experience, firefighters start at 36k for kootenai fire, smaller departments are $9.25/hr, police officers 19.15/hr. Some people choose to commute to spokane because the wages are higher.
So, I am just trying to tell everyone the grass is not always greener, there always is some sort of compromise. With all that said, I haveno desire to move back to california. Life has been awesome out here, but very different. Not everyone assimilates to the way things are here. Best advice, come with a job secured and plenty of cash.

I posted in another thread, but it was just in the Statesman that Idaho has the lowest wages of any state. It doesn't have the lowest income because so many Idaho households have 2 full time jobs.

We love it here as well, but pay very careful attention to wages, and what the median house price is for the area, NOT for what you are used to as a Californian. The median home price is the price median local jobs will support.

Do not move here with a big debt load...

chris
01-30-2013, 5:33 PM
PC, I don't know how you got the impression that there are plenty of jobs in the CDA area. Well let me rephrase that, there are jobs, if you are in the medical field. Before everyone says I have no idea what I am talking about, I'll give you some history. My wife and I moved here last spring. We moved only after she had a job offer. She is a PA. She makes decent money. We bought before we came. I searched for 4 months for employment before even getting a interview. No I was not picky, I applied for virtually all work that I was qualified for, including very remedial labor. I was/am a ASE master technician. I have no desire to work as a mechanic anymore. Most jobs out here pay very little. Some examples; cabelas $9.00/hr, landscaping $7-11/hr with experience, firefighters start at 36k for kootenai fire, smaller departments are $9.25/hr, police officers 19.15/hr. Some people choose to commute to spokane because the wages are higher.
So, I am just trying to tell everyone the grass is not always greener, there always is some sort of compromise. With all that said, I haveno desire to move back to california. Life has been awesome out here, but very different. Not everyone assimilates to the way things are here. Best advice, come with a job secured and plenty of cash.

I posted in another thread, but it was just in the Statesman that Idaho has the lowest wages of any state. It doesn't have the lowest income because so many Idaho households have 2 full time jobs.

We love it here as well, but pay very careful attention to wages, and what the median house price is for the area, NOT for what you are used to as a Californian. The median home price is the price median local jobs will support.

Do not move here with a big debt load...

if or when i move from this crappy state that has always been my concern and plan is to have a job first and then find a place to live. and of course some money to help out getting there and adjusting. that may be a little easier after selling my uncles house since he passed away and i'm the sole heir and executor of his estate as they call it.

but always a job is my biggest concern when moving out of state.

kb58
01-30-2013, 7:15 PM
PC, I don't know how you got the impression that there are plenty of jobs in the CDA area. Well let me rephrase that, there are jobs, if you are in the medical field. Before everyone says I have no idea what I am talking about, I'll give you some history. My wife and I moved here last spring. We moved only after she had a job offer. She is a PA. She makes decent money. We bought before we came. I searched for 4 months for employment before even getting a interview. No I was not picky, I applied for virtually all work that I was qualified for, including very remedial labor. I was/am a ASE master technician. I have no desire to work as a mechanic anymore. Most jobs out here pay very little. Some examples; cabelas $9.00/hr, landscaping $7-11/hr with experience, firefighters start at 36k for kootenai fire, smaller departments are $9.25/hr, police officers 19.15/hr. Some people choose to commute to spokane because the wages are higher. So, I am just trying to tell everyone the grass is not always greener, there always is some sort of compromise...
That backs up what I've been hearing. My take on it is that it's a place you retire to due to its low cost of living - assuming the cold by that age hasn't made it a no-go. Like others have said, it's a beautiful place, just not somewhere you show up needing to pay bills.

luvtolean
01-31-2013, 5:22 AM
That backs up what I've been hearing. My take on it is that it's a place you retire to due to its low cost of living - assuming the cold by that age hasn't made it a no-go. Like others have said, it's a beautiful place, just not somewhere you show up needing to pay bills.

Idaho is in the top 3 places for retirees to move to, and is #1 in the west.

My wife and I are in our 30's though...no way I'd wait 10 or 20 years to have the life I wanted.

Debt is another name for the present consumption of future earnings, which you have not yet earned. If you are looking at moving to a place with lower earnings, you had better make sure you have not already consumed your future earnings based on a California salary.

HAVOC5150
01-31-2013, 5:52 AM
I have buddy that moved there in July 12'. Two weeks later I get a text that says I should move there, it's the best decision he has ever made. He lives in Hayden, so I've been looking at jobs around the Couer D' Alene area. I'm planning on going up there in May or June, I've also been following the weather on an app on my iPhone. Spent a week in Athol during the summer 90'. Had a lot of fun, lots of lakes to fish in. I'm hope I can find a job, I could use a change.

stinkfinger
01-31-2013, 6:14 AM
if or when i move from this crappy state that has always been my concern and plan is to have a job first and then find a place to live. and of course some money to help out getting there and adjusting. that may be a little easier after selling my uncles house since he passed away and i'm the sole heir and executor of his estate as they call it.

but always a job is my biggest concern when moving out of state.

The money you would have from your uncles estate would help you out a lot more than most people come out here with.
If you have any questions, pm me.

chris
01-31-2013, 6:19 AM
The money you would have from your uncles estate would help you out a lot more than most people come out here with.
If you have any questions, pm me.

It has been a thought to move out of state for quite a while. I have family still here. I have not ruled out moving out of here. And I have thought of the money from the estate to move from here.

stinkfinger
01-31-2013, 6:27 AM
I have buddy that moved there in July 12'. Two weeks later I get a text that says I should move there, it's the best decision he has ever made. He lives in Hayden, so I've been looking at jobs around the Couer D' Alene area. I'm planning on going up there in May or June, I've also been following the weather on an app on my iPhone. Spent a week in Athol during the summer 90'. Had a lot of fun, lots of lakes to fish in. I'm hope I can find a job, I could use a change.

I agree. It is a great place to live. I just want everyone to know that moving here will improve your life by leaps and bounds. It is all relative. Just in different dollar amounts.
Also, a lot of people do not take into consideration other expenses that come with moving here. Examples; snow tires, all wheel drive vehicle, snow thrower/snow plow, snow shovel, ice melt, firewood (especially if that is how you heat your home), winter gas bill (if that is how you heat your home).
I just am trying to give everyone a idea of what I have experienced since moving out here. Everyone's will be different. My wife and I are very lucky that we had friends here before we moved. Otherwise it would have been a lot more difficult.
Let me know when you get here. If you have any questions, pm me.

strokesdmb
01-31-2013, 4:00 PM
Just got confirmation for my trip to Idaho for an interview in parma for next week.

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steadyrock
01-31-2013, 4:03 PM
What the hell are you going to do in Parma?

strokesdmb
01-31-2013, 4:52 PM
Ag chemical retail

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steadyrock
01-31-2013, 5:17 PM
That makes sense. Hope you're darn good at it though. Not a whole lot by way of surplus employment out there. GL.

LeadSlinger585
01-31-2013, 5:49 PM
I agree. It is a great place to live. I just want everyone to know that moving here will improve your life by leaps and bounds. It is all relative. Just in different dollar amounts.
Also, a lot of people do not take into consideration other expenses that come with moving here. Examples; snow tires, all wheel drive vehicle, snow thrower/snow plow, snow shovel, ice melt, firewood (especially if that is how you heat your home), winter gas bill (if that is how you heat your home).
I just am trying to give everyone a idea of what I have experienced since moving out here. Everyone's will be different. My wife and I are very lucky that we had friends here before we moved. Otherwise it would have been a lot more difficult.
Let me know when you get here. If you have any questions, pm me.

Well first off, where in Idaho are you?

steadyrock
01-31-2013, 6:40 PM
Well first off, where in Idaho are you?

Judging from his other posts, he is near Coeur d'Alene. Majestically beautiful area. But all should heed his warnings about employment and wages. Jobs are scarce, meaningful jobs are scarcer. For someone going there for "prepping" reasons that is worthy of consideration. I lived on both ends of that beautiful state for a quarter-century. True, the unemployment rate is lower than CA. They also value work more (generally speaking), and the state runs a service to help people find work. But, looking beyond raw numbers the truth is a lot of people are earning between 6 and 11 dollars an hour as a busboy or telemarketer or mall-kiosk jockey, so they don't hit the unemployment rolls but raising a family or getting ahead can be extremely challenging and unlike states like CA, the prospects of "moving up the food chain" so-to-speak top out pretty quickly if not immediately.

That all said, the trade offs are definitely worthy of consideration. It's not everywhere you can go hunting 10 minutes or less from your driveway and actually trust the water in streams to be worthy of drinking or cooking with. It's a wonderland in a lot of ways. If you're independently wealthy, or want to work until you're 70, it's a place unlike any other.

stinkfinger
01-31-2013, 6:51 PM
Well first off, where in Idaho are you?

30 miles east of cda.

stinkfinger
01-31-2013, 7:03 PM
Judging from his other posts, he is near Coeur d'Alene. Majestically beautiful area. But all should heed his warnings about employment and wages. Jobs are scarce, meaningful jobs are scarcer. For someone going there for "prepping" reasons that is worthy of consideration. I lived on both ends of that beautiful state for a quarter-century. True, the unemployment rate is lower than CA. They also value work more (generally speaking), and the state runs a service to help people find work. But, looking beyond raw numbers the truth is a lot of people are earning between 6 and 11 dollars an hour as a busboy or telemarketer or mall-kiosk jockey, so they don't hit the unemployment rolls but raising a family or getting ahead can be extremely challenging and unlike states like CA, the prospects of "moving up the food chain" so-to-speak top out pretty quickly if not immediately.

That all said, the trade offs are definitely worthy of consideration. It's not everywhere you can go hunting 10 minutes or less from your driveway and actually trust the water in streams to be worthy of drinking or cooking with. It's a wonderland in a lot of ways. If you're independently wealthy, or want to work until you're 70, it's a place unlike any other.

This is true.
Please rest assured that I am not trying to scare or discourage anyone from moving to Idaho. I am just trying to paint a whole picture of what to expect.

Although, I live in the silver valley. I would be weary of drinking water from the coeur d'alene river or any streams near me. At least in large volumes. This area was very heavily mined for a very long period of time. The EPA is still re-mediating lead from residents yards.

Also, very few people understand how much money it really takes to build on a parcel of land. If you do not live near city gas, water and power, your wallet will be considerably lighter. My friend had his well dug in 1994, 295 feet, to a tune of $10,000. I could not image what it would be now. Having power run to your property is also not cheap.

Everyday there are more people moving here, especially from california. There are a very large number of california retirees here, and a large majority are snowbirds.

BomarFab
02-01-2013, 8:39 AM
I have been looking into Idaho for a while now. I am hoping to make the change in the next year. I have very little debt, and should have it paid off within 6 months. My wife is going to nursing school, and currently works in a pharmacy. Not sure what jobs will be like up there for her. For me, I am a welder, and what I have seen there (at least on job search engines) is that pay is equal to what it is here for welders, and sometimes better. There is not much of a demand here, I see maybe one job a month come up within a 45 minute commute radius. When I look in Idaho, I generally see a dozen or so welding/fabrication jobs, which gives me some confidence.

Welders here, I generally see jobs listed at $12 an hour, sometimes $13. In Idaho, I generally see them between $11-16 an hour, and I have seen some in the Hayden area for up to $24 with enough experience.

chris
02-01-2013, 11:46 AM
Although, I live in the silver valley. I would be weary of drinking water from the coeur d'alene river or any streams near me. At least in large volumes. This area was very heavily mined for a very long period of time. The EPA is still re-mediating lead from residents yards.



is that area a super fund site? from what you say it sounds like it. not suprised though.


Everyday there are more people moving here, especially from california. There are a very large number of california retirees here, and a large majority are snowbirds.

of course a lot of people are moving from here. look at what is happening. sine their vote doesn't mean Sh*t here anymore they are doing it with their wallets and feat. they are outta here. can't say i blame anyone for moving from here this place is a sesspool of crap and statism at it's best.

luvtolean
02-01-2013, 12:24 PM
I have been looking into Idaho for a while now. I am hoping to make the change in the next year. I have very little debt, and should have it paid off within 6 months. My wife is going to nursing school, and currently works in a pharmacy. Not sure what jobs will be like up there for her. For me, I am a welder, and what I have seen there (at least on job search engines) is that pay is equal to what it is here for welders, and sometimes better. There is not much of a demand here, I see maybe one job a month come up within a 45 minute commute radius. When I look in Idaho, I generally see a dozen or so welding/fabrication jobs, which gives me some confidence.

Welders here, I generally see jobs listed at $12 an hour, sometimes $13. In Idaho, I generally see them between $11-16 an hour, and I have seen some in the Hayden area for up to $24 with enough experience.

If you can match or get a pay raise it's a no brainer...just come check it out and make sure you like the area. It is very different.

stinkfinger
02-01-2013, 12:29 PM
I have been looking into Idaho for a while now. I am hoping to make the change in the next year. I have very little debt, and should have it paid off within 6 months. My wife is going to nursing school, and currently works in a pharmacy. Not sure what jobs will be like up there for her. For me, I am a welder, and what I have seen there (at least on job search engines) is that pay is equal to what it is here for welders, and sometimes better. There is not much of a demand here, I see maybe one job a month come up within a 45 minute commute radius. When I look in Idaho, I generally see a dozen or so welding/fabrication jobs, which gives me some confidence.

Welders here, I generally see jobs listed at $12 an hour, sometimes $13. In Idaho, I generally see them between $11-16 an hour, and I have seen some in the Hayden area for up to $24 with enough experience.

It sounds like you guys would be doing great if you decided to move. Let me know if you have any questions.

stinkfinger
02-01-2013, 12:33 PM
is that area a super fund site? from what you say it sounds like it. not suprised though.



of course a lot of people are moving from here. look at what is happening. sine their vote doesn't mean Sh*t here anymore they are doing it with their wallets and feat. they are outta here. can't say i blame anyone for moving from here this place is a sesspool of crap and statism at it's best.

Yes, there are superfund sites here.
No arguements about people leaving california, hell that is one of the main reasons we left. I just hope the people that do move here do not try to make it resemble what they left. Similar to what happened in denver with the influx of people that moved there from orange county, they turned it into a orange county in colorado.

BomarFab
02-01-2013, 1:53 PM
If you can match or get a pay raise it's a no brainer...just come check it out and make sure you like the area. It is very different.

As long as I can find a job up there I think it will be fine. We are planning to make a trip up there some time this year. Was hoping to go up early January but it did not happen.

If the weather is anything like Truckee/So. Lake Tahoe I think i will like it. We both love the weather in that area, Idaho looks more beautiful though.

It sounds like you guys would be doing great if you decided to move. Let me know if you have any questions.

I hope so, i will let you know if I have any questions. I will likely be coming up with a full fab shop on a trailer...

...No arguements about people leaving california, hell that is one of the main reasons we left. I just hope the people that do move here do not try to make it resemble what they left...

It seems like this has happened in other nearby states, parts of Oregon and Washington from what I have heard. Idaho sounds more resilient to this, so I am hoping. The last thing I want is for CA to follow me. I want out for a reason.

luvtolean
02-01-2013, 2:16 PM
Boise is more mild in winter than Truckee and hotter in summer.

It's the high dez, so not the trees that you'd be used to, though they're not that far away.

BomarFab
02-02-2013, 8:08 AM
I'd rather be colder than hot. I can't stand the the summers above 90 here. I thrive when it's cold out, and everyone else here is complaining.

LeadSlinger585
02-02-2013, 11:59 AM
It seems like this has happened in other nearby states, parts of Oregon and Washington from what I have heard. Idaho sounds more resilient to this, so I am hoping. The last thing I want is for CA to follow me. I want out for a reason.

You'd think the cold would keep the idiots out. I am still doing research, but so far Googling my questions has been fruitful.

BomarFab, I too thrive in the cold. Spent the winter of 08/09 in Alaska without a car and walked pretty much everywhere. The only time I rode in a vehicle was when I was working ("snow removal technician") or a friend picked me up to visit another friend. Hell I walked 11 miles (round trip) to Sportsmans Warehouse in 20 degree weather to correct an error I made on an online job application. There's a story to tell my kids!

If you're dressed right, and you're moving around, you can endure all kinds of cold. And I've seen -25 temps. :eek:

LRShooter
02-02-2013, 3:05 PM
The wife said she wouldn't mind going to look at this one. It's in Coeur D Alene on 10 acres. Cheaper than an Orange County Condo.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/6369-W-Standing-Elk-Trl-Coeur-D-Alene-ID-83814/113136492_zpid/

This one's a little further up the road in Sandpoint. 33acres. Comes with an old log cabin.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/208-Ginter-Rd_Sandpoint_ID_83864_M25773-82118

I DVRd some show called "Buying Alaska" earlier in the week. Real estate show with rural AK properties. Wife and I watched all 10 episodes and now she wants out of the subdivision, and onto something with "nature".

LRShooter
02-02-2013, 3:09 PM
For those wanting Montana and off the grid. This one's between Butte and Bozeman.

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/0-Address-Omitted-Anaconda-MT-59711/2117313747_zpid/

anthonyca
02-02-2013, 3:37 PM
I have been looking into Idaho for a while now. I am hoping to make the change in the next year. I have very little debt, and should have it paid off within 6 months. My wife is going to nursing school, and currently works in a pharmacy. Not sure what jobs will be like up there for her. For me, I am a welder, and what I have seen there (at least on job search engines) is that pay is equal to what it is here for welders, and sometimes better. There is not much of a demand here, I see maybe one job a month come up within a 45 minute commute radius. When I look in Idaho, I generally see a dozen or so welding/fabrication jobs, which gives me some confidence.

Welders here, I generally see jobs listed at $12 an hour, sometimes $13. In Idaho, I generally see them between $11-16 an hour, and I have seen some in the Hayden area for up to $24 with enough experience.

Do you have any certifications? Where are you looking? There is a shortage of certified welders in the pipe trades. Most of the work is in SF or the east bay refineries, but there is some up near you. A union welder in local 38, your area, makes $60 an hour on the check with a benefits package, (pension,full medical for you and dependants, jury duty pay and more) of around another $40 an hour. You will need to go to school and be certified and keep your certs up. There is a school in Santa Rosa that your employer will have to pay for.

Many good welders also get overscale and a truck with a gas card. I have friends who live near you and work at my company who are welders/fitters who have never been out of work in 20 years. You need to look into that.

I also have friends who moved to Idaho in this trade, they don't make jack and hardly work. One tried to come back but he can't even afford to move.

Trust me, if the money was there I would go. Even though I hate the cold, and that is NOTHING like cold we complain about here. If you never had to live or go to work in it you can not understand.

anthonyca
02-02-2013, 3:55 PM
I'd rather be colder than hot. I can't stand the the summers above 90 here. I thrive when it's cold out, and everyone else here is complaining.

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/95403

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/83705

http://www.weather.com/weather/wxclimatology/monthly/graph/USID0048

Most of Idaho gets hotter than where you are, especially heat waves. Keep in mind that those are average temperatures. A guy on a diesel forum really put in in perspective when he was getting bad advice from some Californians about overheating and his truck not warming up enough to run correctly. He said in a nut shell, this is not Cali, I am dealing with a 150 degree F temp swing from the coldest morning to the hottest day of the year.

The ocean is one of the best temperature regulators and you live near it. Combine that with the latitude longitude, and topography. There is only about 1% of the earths surface that has the mild temperatures and humidity we have here. So making the argument that the weather is better somewhere else is usually a losing argument. Oh yea, the wind SUUUUCCCCKKKKKKSSSSSS in most of the country.


I am not trying to make you stay. Just please be honest with yourself for why you want to move. If the better gun laws are enough, go for it. If there are other reasons are good enough, go for it. Just don't look at the rest through rose colored glasses because the gun laws are good.

I know many people who moved for one reason or another and overlooked others and are still not happy. Some are much worse off, some are doing better.

BomarFab
02-02-2013, 4:00 PM
I understand about the cold here, it's mild in comparison. I was saying I thrive in the cold I'm used to in Truckee. waking up to 0-5 degrees or so.

I haven't seen any jobs for pipe fitters, where are you looking? I used to be certified for stainless pipe, I let it run out because it wasn't doing me any good 5 years ago. I never got certified for anything else, didn't seem worth it at the time. My uncle is a pipe fitter for PGE and the pay is okay but not nearly $60 an hour. I'm not sure I could handle that kind of commute in my Cummins either, but I'm interested in learning more. I am a good welder, but I am out of practice with stick. I only Mig and Tig right now.

BomarFab
02-02-2013, 4:04 PM
I understand about the cold here, it's mild in comparison. I was saying I thrive in the cold I'm used to in Truckee. waking up to 0-5 degrees or so.

I haven't seen any jobs for pipe fitters, where are you looking? I used to be certified for stainless pipe, I let it run out because it wasn't doing me any good 5 years ago. I never got certified for anything else, didn't seem worth it at the time. My uncle is a pipe fitter for PGE and the pay is okay but not nearly $60 an hour. I'm not sure I could handle that kind of commute in my Cummins either, but I'm interested in learning more. I am a good welder, but I am out of practice with stick. I only Mig and Tig right now.


Gun laws I think are my last concern. I want to buy a house someday, outside of suburbs.

anthonyca
02-02-2013, 4:16 PM
I understand about the cold here, it's mild in comparison. I was saying I thrive in the cold I'm used to in Truckee. waking up to 0-5 degrees or so.

I haven't seen any jobs for pipe fitters, where are you looking? I used to be certified for stainless pipe, I let it run out because it wasn't doing me any good 5 years ago. I never got certified for anything else, didn't seem worth it at the time. My uncle is a pipe fitter for PGE and the pay is okay but not nearly $60 an hour. I'm not sure I could handle that kind of commute in my Cummins either, but I'm interested in learning more. I am a good welder, but I am out of practice with stick. I only Mig and Tig right now.


Gun laws I think are my last concern. I want to buy a house someday, outside of suburbs.

http://www.ualocal38.org/service%20application/intro.htm

Are you a veteran? I will PM you so we don't hijack the thread even more.

BomarFab
02-02-2013, 4:46 PM
I am not a veteran, unfortunately. I sent you you a message. I am still pretty young, and currently have my own business focused on custom cars. But it's been slowing down the last few years. I wouldn't mind going back to building cars as a hobby, but I would like to keep welding full time. It's my favorite part of my job, I find it therapeutic.

Socaliente
02-03-2013, 1:27 AM
I keep hearing Idaho is the place to go. Ive never been there but Ive pretty much heard nothing but good things. Im an Army vet currently working law enforcement. Ive been told Idaho loves hiring cops from Cali. I love the idea of having a good piece of land with wide open spaces.

Id love to plan a trip to check things out but I really have no clue where to start. I'm single with no kids so its easy in that regards, but its about as drastic as a life changing move as any. This was suppose to be a 10year plan but with Cali going to **** I wanna get to planning now.

Davidwhitewolf
02-03-2013, 7:18 AM
Id love to plan a trip to check things out but I really have no clue where to start.

Come to Boomershoot (http://www.boomershoot.org) this year! There are at least two retired cops I can think of from the Bay Area and Monterey that attend every year. PM me and I'll give you their names, and emails if I can find 'em.

Bear in mind budgets are thin and distances great; I remember one Cali cop's astonishment that an Idaho officer's closest backup during some shifts might be in another county an hour away.

LRShooter
02-03-2013, 9:18 AM
Socaliente, I don't know how close you are to getting a California retirement, but it might be worth it.

If you haven't done so, check out the pay for positions outside CA. Where I live in Utah the average officer only makes $30-40K a year. Chief of Police might make $60-80K. Even the big city chiefs barely make 100K.

I'm usually a big advocate for people to move out of California, but for some it might make financial sense to stay longer. My sister is a teacher in Chino, made 98K last year. Highest paid teacher in our school district didn't make over $60k. My sister would only make around $40K here doing the same job. Of course that's why our taxes are much lower, but you get the point.

If you're still relatively young though, decide how you want to live the rest of your life and what's more important.

LeadSlinger585
02-03-2013, 12:47 PM
All this talk about pay, but no one's considering the cost of food, gas, electric, etc. In Alaska I earned $11 an hour shoveling snow but an apple cost $2 each (in 2008). That sucked.

If you can earn $10 but apples are I dunno .75-$1/pound that's tolerable. Lower pay but lower prices as well. City data lists cost of living in CDA to be a score of 91, and US average is 100. Where I'm currently residing is 131.

It's all relative, right?

strokesdmb
02-03-2013, 1:43 PM
They grow apples in Idaho. Along with a lot of tree fruit. So I'm sure it won't be $2/apple

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johnthomas
02-03-2013, 1:56 PM
You do know that real estate agents hire the locals to let all their domestic meat animals out of their cages when they are showing property, right? LOL
Just kidding. What about snow? I hope everything works out for you guys.
The pics are great.

bombadillo
02-03-2013, 2:52 PM
All this talk about pay, but no one's considering the cost of food, gas, electric, etc. In Alaska I earned $11 an hour shoveling snow but an apple cost $2 each (in 2008). That sucked.

If you can earn $10 but apples are I dunno .75-$1/pound that's tolerable. Lower pay but lower prices as well. City data lists cost of living in CDA to be a score of 91, and US average is 100. Where I'm currently residing is 131.

It's all relative, right?


The upside to working for a corporation there is if you can get a transfer, you can usually transfer with your wages intact from state to state. My job has 5 or 6 stores in Idaho and I can move there making the same wage I make in California, and I do fairly well here. I can move there, and live like a king on the same wages and not have my wife work like she has to here.

Foebia
02-03-2013, 2:55 PM
Heading to twin falls and boise in 2 weeks to look around. Hoping to do my part and keep Idaho from shifting cali demo from all the implants. Do mind snow, but prefer not to dig out everyday so boise seems least likely. I will get some pics while we are there. In medical field so hoping jobs wont be so brutal (fingers crossed) Utah seems to be filing up with cali's but still may be second choice.

mvpatriot
02-03-2013, 2:59 PM
great thread, thanks to all for the info

luvtolean
02-03-2013, 3:11 PM
Boise gets Central Valley hot, when we came last summer it was over 100.

All this talk about pay, but no one's considering the cost of food, gas, electric, etc. In Alaska I earned $11 an hour shoveling snow but an apple cost $2 each (in 2008). That sucked.

If you can earn $10 but apples are I dunno .75-$1/pound that's tolerable. Lower pay but lower prices as well. City data lists cost of living in CDA to be a score of 91, and US average is 100. Where I'm currently residing is 131.

It's all relative, right?

Boise is 50% the cost of San Jose by the calculators.

Groceries are a little cheaper. Resturants just slightly cheaper. Gas is a little cheaper. Vehicles cost the same. Most hobby stuff costs about the same. Clothing, shoes etc all the same, and you're going to probably need to buy winter gear. Power is cheaper, but you'll probably use more. Insurance (auto, homeowner's) is cheaper (ours went down a lot). Taxes are lower. Houses are A LOT cheaper.

A median house in San Jose is about $550,000-600k. To match size of house and quality of neighborhood in Boise is about $150,000. If you upgrade to a $300,000 house in Boise you will get less than a 50% cut in cost of living because most other stuff is almost the same price. It would also be a more expensive house than is typical...so it'd be more risky.

The upside to working for a corporation there is if you can get a transfer, you can usually transfer with your wages intact from state to state. My job has 5 or 6 stores in Idaho and I can move there making the same wage I make in California, and I do fairly well here. I can move there, and live like a king on the same wages and not have my wife work like she has to here.

Most corps actually have HR depts that will cut your pay per cost of living calculators...you are lucky.

bombadillo
02-03-2013, 5:13 PM
Most corps actually have HR depts that will cut your pay per cost of living calculators...you are lucky.


I've never seen any major corporations do that. Who does that as far as you know?

LRShooter
02-03-2013, 5:32 PM
I've been able to transfer around at the same pay.

anthonyca
02-03-2013, 5:33 PM
Boise gets Central Valley hot, when we came last summer it was over 100.



Boise is 50% the cost of San Jose by the calculators.

Groceries are a little cheaper. Resturants just slightly cheaper. Gas is a little cheaper. Vehicles cost the same. Most hobby stuff costs about the same. Clothing, shoes etc all the same, and you're going to probably need to buy winter gear. Power is cheaper, but you'll probably use more. Insurance (auto, homeowner's) is cheaper (ours went down a lot). Taxes are lower. Houses are A LOT cheaper.

A median house in San Jose is about $550,000-600k. To match size of house and quality of neighborhood in Boise is about $150,000. If you upgrade to a $300,000 house in Boise you will get less than a 50% cut in cost of living because most other stuff is almost the same price. It would also be a more expensive house than is typical...so it'd be more risky.



Most corps actually have HR depts that will cut your pay per cost of living calculators...you are lucky.

Thanks for being honest. I would love to move and I have seen many people do it but the ones who were not honest about every detail or did not research enough were often not happy. May bee they would have stayed, or may bee they would have chosen somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong. Idaho is butiful and much of it would be a wonderful place. I have met some really rich people with part time homes there and I would love to have a place there. It is just not for me at this time for some reasons and your honest posts help me make a good decision.

Something may change and I may be up there soon though.:oji:

I've never seen any major corporations do that. Who does that as far as you know?

Mine does. I would make about 40% in hourly wages and even less when the hours are factored in.

A couple guys I know made the move and took the cut. One said it was still the best thing he ever did and he would never come back.

Another I heard is in trouble in his marriage because the problems just got worse. They had financial problems and tried to run from them.

Like I said above. If your leaving for more freedom or good gun laws, it may be the best thing you ever do. But leaving for other reasons and the problems could get even worse.

kb58
02-03-2013, 8:36 PM
A few in this thread have touched on what could be a fairly significant cost-equalizer - heating the home and maybe a shop. I live in SoCal and a buddy lives in Wrightwood, a small local ski area at around 6000 ft. He works in the desert which is right out his front window, but while it's 100 deg+ at the base of the hill it's maybe 70 deg where he is. Trouble is in the winter it's the other way round and he said it costs them $300-400 a month just in heating.

Some have said you can get a bigger house in ID - which then has to be heated, which could be a killer. Yeah, wood cut in your lot could be burned but still. As others have said, it's but one of the components toward figuring out the real cost of living.

I appreciate this thread as it's fairly objective and balanced instead of a one-sided sales pitch of "OMG, it's awesome here in ID!"

Socaliente
02-03-2013, 9:21 PM
Socaliente, I don't know how close you are to getting a California retirement, but it might be worth it.

If you haven't done so, check out the pay for positions outside CA. Where I live in Utah the average officer only makes $30-40K a year. Chief of Police might make $60-80K. Even the big city chiefs barely make 100K.

I'm usually a big advocate for people to move out of California, but for some it might make financial sense to stay longer. My sister is a teacher in Chino, made 98K last year. Highest paid teacher in our school district didn't make over $60k. My sister would only make around $40K here doing the same job. Of course that's why our taxes are much lower, but you get the point.

If you're still relatively young though, decide how you want to live the rest of your life and what's more important.

I'm only 2 years in, so i see what youre saying about sticking it out. I was offered a sheriffs job in a county outside of boise but id go from 28/hr to 19/hr. Plus I just bought a house a year ago. And Id have to wait a bit to even break even on the house.

wheels
02-03-2013, 10:01 PM
Car registrations are much cheaper - depending on year of the vehicle they are somewhere between $30-40 AFAIK.

luvtolean
02-04-2013, 6:40 AM
I've never seen any major corporations do that. Who does that as far as you know?

Many do, my wife's certainly did. Do NOT start planning thinking this won't happen unless you have written documentation. And even then, it's not guaranteed.

When we bought our house, the loan underwriter required us to get letters from our employers stating they knew we were moving and what our pay rate would be after the move to Idaho. Pay change from a move is a common thing.

Car registrations are much cheaper - depending on year of the vehicle they are somewhere between $30-40 AFAIK.

I'd have to go pull out the paperwork, but that's in the ballpark. My favorite part about Idaho DMV is no lines!

A few in this thread have touched on what could be a fairly significant cost-equalizer - heating the home and maybe a shop. I live in SoCal and a buddy lives in Wrightwood, a small local ski area at around 6000 ft. He works in the desert which is right out his front window, but while it's 100 deg+ at the base of the hill it's maybe 70 deg where he is. Trouble is in the winter it's the other way round and he said it costs them $300-400 a month just in heating.

We've never had a power/gas bill over $150. Last month it was $500! Now, we have a well, so no water bill, and my wife had a bad cold so we kept the house at 68. But that's terrible. We are all electric, and Idaho had one of the coldest December/Januarys anyone can remember.

I didn't have to tell the wife to turn it down at that point, she did it herself. :D Even in CA we normally let the house swing from 62-82, so it shouldn't be nearly as bad in the future.

In the future I'll be researching either going propane or solar...

We had a nice fire all weekend, but that won't be our primary heat source unless it's a grid down situation or something. I don't like the smoke.

Thanks for being honest. I would love to move and I have seen many people do it but the ones who were not honest about every detail or did not research enough were often not happy. May bee they would have stayed, or may bee they would have chosen somewhere else.

Don't get me wrong. Idaho is butiful and much of it would be a wonderful place. I have met some really rich people with part time homes there and I would love to have a place there. It is just not for me at this time for some reasons and your honest posts help me make a good decision.


Some have said you can get a bigger house in ID - which then has to be heated, which could be a killer. Yeah, wood cut in your lot could be burned but still. As others have said, it's but one of the components toward figuring out the real cost of living.

I appreciate this thread as it's fairly objective and balanced instead of a one-sided sales pitch of "OMG, it's awesome here in ID!"

My wife and I wanted a bigger house, with enough property to shoot and do what we wanted (since this is the survival forum, we do plan to have chickens, plant an orchard, big garden etc), but still fairly close to the urban areas, so she had a commute of 30mins or less. In the SF Bay Area, it was practically an impossibility.

There are no perfect places. There are real risks here, particularly on the career side. Most Californians are so desensitized to house prices, they buy too much thinking it's so cheap. Most people leave California for, in order, Texas, Nevada, Arizona, Utah. All of those have costs of living that are fairly close to Idaho, with better job opportunities for many. I'd hate to see someone come here that didn't realize these things.

We didn't move here wealthy, and we're in our 30's. We came here knowing what the sacrifices were, and so far happy with the choice.



Other cost differences, private school and childcare is much cheaper here.

Cnynrat
02-04-2013, 7:36 AM
I've never seen any major corporations do that. Who does that as far as you know?

I work for a major aerospace corp., and we maintain 3 different salary tables depending on where you live (normal, high cost, and very high cost). SoCal is in the very high cost category. If I were to relocate to a lower cost of living area taking a job at the same salary band I would see a pay reduction. I suspect this is fairly common at large companies.

We have no facilities in ID, so our relocation is planned when I retire in about 4 years.

Foebia
02-05-2013, 12:05 PM
Seen some comments (another forum) that Boise has a sizable liberal population. My concerns are that it will turn into another Cali. Anyone know if these are common sense liberals or more of the Antigun,
More taxes, more open boarders, type.

luvtolean
02-05-2013, 12:12 PM
Here's what the 2012 Presidential election map looked like-

http://www.politico.com/2012-election/map/#/President/2012/ID

Not much different from the 2004 or 2008.

There's no "right" answer to a question like yours. Idaho has the lowest per capita government assistance spending, it runs a fiscally conservative budget, it has absolutely excellent firearms laws. It went right to work somewhat recently. Bureaucratic hassles are very minimal for a Californian, but they are increasing if you talk to old timer Idahoans.

But yes, sure, there are liberals in Boise. It's a fairly small college town for starters.

Foebia
02-05-2013, 12:18 PM
Thanks for the info.

Breadfan
02-05-2013, 12:26 PM
Nice may be some day

luvtolean
02-05-2013, 12:29 PM
Thanks for the info.

I would sum it up thus...if Idaho goes "liberal", the whole country has.

Cnynrat
02-06-2013, 6:07 AM
We've been looking at relocating to northern ID - Bonner or Boundary county.

I think one of the important measures of freedom is the degree to which governments interfere with the property rights of landowners. This may be a bit arcane, but I was interested to read the Comprehensive Plan for Boundary County (http://www.boundarycountyid.org/planning/compplan.htm) ID. Coming from a very small city in SoCal where the planning commission and city council don't think twice about implementing very intrusive regulations affecting what property owners can and can not do on their own property, the strong focus on property rights and individual responsibility that comes through in the Boundary County plan was quite refreshing.

The county's advice on Purchasing Real Estate in Boundary County (http://www.boundarycountyid.org/planning/buyland.htm) is also an interesting read.

strokesdmb
02-06-2013, 5:59 PM
Well I'm in Idaho now. Got here at 10 this morning to Boise. Spent the first 2 hours getting all checked in (idiots at San Fran airport put our luggage on a different flight). Then went for an interview and met some people. Came back and went down town for dinner and to look around. Went to a restaurant called The Piper Pub and Grill. Really good food and their happy hour is 2 for 1! We get all day tomorrow to look around. Probably going to talk to so real estate agents.

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Mr.Pickles
02-07-2013, 2:31 PM
Used to live in hayden, nice to be able to hunt and shoot on on your own land.

Sent from the bottom of a pickle barrel.

BluNorthern
02-10-2013, 8:27 AM
Anywhere out of town in the 2 northern counties you're gonna be stuck with dial-up at sloooowwww speeds unless you spend a fortune on satellite.

You won't be downloading anything.

LeadSlinger585
02-10-2013, 8:36 AM
So no WiFi at coffeehouses?

BluNorthern
02-10-2013, 8:43 AM
So no WiFi at coffeehouses?

Sandpoint, maybe, they've got a Starbucks.
Bonners Ferry, not when I was there...they didn't have any coffehouses.
My good friends that live just N. of town can only get dial up at around 14kps. :eek: They won't even email. ;)