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bobberserker
12-10-2012, 10:50 PM
Wasn't sure where to put this or if it has been said before,

Went to Dicks sporting goods with my freind the other day to buy ammo before going to the range. (Mind you we only needed a brick of 22lr.) So we go to where the ammo is and we asked for some 22lr, and he said "is either of you 21", and my freind (who is 19) said no, and the salesman said that he cannot sell ammo that can be used in a pistol to someone under the age of 21. He said that they were recently told this. Is this FUD or commonplace?
When we went to Island View enterprises in Ventura they gladly sold us 22lr even when we asked the gentleman there about it.

bobberserker
12-10-2012, 10:52 PM
Oops don't know how two threads came about, mods please delete one of the two

Danz la Nuit
12-10-2012, 10:58 PM
Blame the govt.

The retailers are just trying to cover their ***.

Mssr. Eleganté
12-10-2012, 11:22 PM
If the ammo can be used in both pistols and rifles then they are allowed to sell it to 18-20 year olds only if they believe it is going to be used in a rifle. Most retailers will simply ask if you are going to use it in a rifle and then sell it to you if you say yes.

Quiet
12-11-2012, 5:42 AM
If the ammo can be used in both pistols and rifles then they are allowed to sell it to 18-20 year olds only if they believe it is going to be used in a rifle. Most retailers will simply ask if you are going to use it in a rifle and then sell it to you if you say yes.

What he said.

And this is in accordance to Federal [18 USC 922 (b)(1)] & CA laws [PC 30300(a)(2)]




Penal Code 30300
(a) Any person, corporation, or dealer who does any of the following shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not to exceed six months, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the imprisonment and fine:
(1) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition to a person under 18 years of age.
(2) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition designed and intended for use in a handgun to a person under 21 years of age. Where ammunition or reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun, it may be sold to a person who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, if the vendor reasonably believes that the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun.
(3) Supplies, delivers, or gives possession of any ammunition to any minor who the person, corporation, or dealer knows, or using reasonable care should know, is prohibited from possessing that ammunition at that time pursuant to Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 29610) of Division 9 of Title 4 of Part 6.
(b) Proof that a person, corporation, or dealer, or his or her agent or employee, demanded, was shown, and acted in reasonable reliance upon, bona fide evidence of majority and identity shall be a defense to any criminal prosecution under this section.

18 USC 922
(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age

bobberserker
12-11-2012, 4:09 PM
What he said.

And this is in accordance to Federal [18 USC 922 (b)(1)] & CA laws [PC 30300(a)(2)]




Penal Code 30300
(a) Any person, corporation, or dealer who does any of the following shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail for a term not to exceed six months, or by a fine not to exceed one thousand dollars ($1,000), or by both the imprisonment and fine:
(1) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition to a person under 18 years of age.
(2) Sells any ammunition or reloaded ammunition designed and intended for use in a handgun to a person under 21 years of age. Where ammunition or reloaded ammunition may be used in both a rifle and a handgun, it may be sold to a person who is at least 18 years of age, but less than 21 years of age, if the vendor reasonably believes that the ammunition is being acquired for use in a rifle and not a handgun.
(3) Supplies, delivers, or gives possession of any ammunition to any minor who the person, corporation, or dealer knows, or using reasonable care should know, is prohibited from possessing that ammunition at that time pursuant to Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 29610) of Division 9 of Title 4 of Part 6.
(b) Proof that a person, corporation, or dealer, or his or her agent or employee, demanded, was shown, and acted in reasonable reliance upon, bona fide evidence of majority and identity shall be a defense to any criminal prosecution under this section.

18 USC 922
(b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver—
(1) any firearm or ammunition to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than eighteen years of age, and, if the firearm, or ammunition is other than a shotgun or rifle, or ammunition for a shotgun or rifle, to any individual who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe is less than twenty-one years of age

Great I'll tell the manager there

motorhead
12-12-2012, 7:50 AM
but will he BELIEVE you?

Chosen_1
12-12-2012, 7:57 AM
If the ammo can be used in both pistols and rifles then they are allowed to sell it to 18-20 year olds only if they believe it is going to be used in a rifle. Most retailers will simply ask if you are going to use it in a rifle and then sell it to you if you say yes.

So, how does that work if a 18-20 year old owns a 9mm AR? I doubt the seller will believe him...

Mitch
12-12-2012, 8:21 AM
So, how does that work if a 18-20 year old owns a 9mm AR? I doubt the seller will believe him...

It depends. The legal language includes the phrase "reasonably believes," and that bar will be different for different individuals.

If Elmer Fudd is behind the counter, he'll chase the kid out of his store because not only has he never heard of a 9mm AR-15, he knows for a fact AR-15s of any caliber are illegal in California. That's his reasonable belief.

If the store specializes in EBRs, not only will the counter guy be happy to sell the 9mm to the kid, but he'll probably quiz him on the rifle build. That's his reasonable belief.

In both cases the individuals should be prepared to confidently defend their decisions before a judge.

"Reasonable doubt," "reasonable suspicion" and "reasonable belief" are cornerstones of our legal system. Their subjectivity makes some people squeamish (those true believers who adhere to a single universal truth in all matters), but at the same time it contributes a great deal to the strength and ultimate fairness of our laws.