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whack
12-03-2012, 10:28 PM
Ok - I'm not exactly a noob - so this is shocking and embarrassing to have to ask for help...so be nice guys.

I had TWO unrelated and seperate people tell me this same tripe, on the same day:

"An FFL in CA can't sell ammo of the same caliber to a person who is picking up a firearm purchase following the wait"

I am 99.999% sure this is pure, smelly, repugnant FUD; however, as convoluted as this glowing bastion of arcane, freedom chocking red tape is, perhaps I have missed some hidden local, regional, state or national regulation?

jben
12-03-2012, 10:31 PM
I know that is/used to be a Big5 policy. But that's the only place I've ever heard that. I've purchased ammo along with picking up a gun in the past.

roushstage2
12-03-2012, 10:34 PM
Hmmm. I've bought ammo several times when picking up a firearm, that was for that firearm. Actually, I think I've been asked if I'd like any ammo to go along with it every time.

ke6guj
12-03-2012, 10:35 PM
Ok - I'm not exactly a noob - so this is shocking and embarrassing to have to ask for help...so be nice guys.

I had TWO unrelated and seperate people tell me this same tripe, on the same day:

"An FFL in CA can't sell ammo of the same caliber to a person who is picking up a firearm purchase following the wait"

I am 99.999% sure this is pure, smelly, repugnant FUD; however, as convoluted as this glowing bastion of arcane, freedom chocking red tape is, perhaps I have missed some hidden local, regional, state or national regulation?if that FFL happens to be at a gunshow when he makes the delivery, that would be correct. However, I don't recall there being such a law for when it occurs at the FFL's licensed premises.

whack
12-03-2012, 10:37 PM
I've shared the same experience as everyone, even at Turners - picked up over 1k rounds same day as pickup.

I wouldn't be asking for CGF guidance if I hadn't heard this from TWO sources on the same day. Perhaps DOJ is purposely spreading some FUD? I want to get to the bottom of this.

taiwon
12-03-2012, 10:38 PM
Hmmm. I've bought ammo several times when picking up a firearm, that was for that firearm. Actually, I think I've been asked if I'd like any ammo to go along with it every time.

same here. my gun stores (even big 5) have always asked if i want ammo to go along with it every time.

whack
12-03-2012, 10:43 PM
if that FFL happens to be at a gunshow when he makes the delivery, that would be correct. However, I don't recall there being such a law for when it occurs at the FFL's licensed premises.

Can you quote the PC or Ordinance that this relates to please?

taiwon
12-03-2012, 10:43 PM
but then again, maybe it all depends who's working there because i once had a lady at big 5 give me a really hard time when i was trying to buy blazer .22 ammo with my gun because she was convinced i had to be 21 to buy it and she didnt like seeing my M&P 15-22 in my shopping cart. i try to avoid big 5 in general, their sales are a rip off anyways except for their mosins.

DJ Skillz
12-03-2012, 10:49 PM
I've had a manager at Big 5 ask me to take my newly purchased rifle to my vehicle before buying ammo for it, but that's the only time I've ever heard this.

keenkeen
12-03-2012, 10:53 PM
Dealer: "Do you have any 22 LR ammo?"

Customer: "No"

Dealer: "Well here, let me sell you a case or two."

Anything else and they are doing it wrong.

ke6guj
12-03-2012, 10:56 PM
Can you quote the PC or Ordinance that this relates to please?27330. No person at a gun show or event, other than security
personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time
both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the
firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or
exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.

loose_electron
12-03-2012, 11:00 PM
That's like going into McDonalds and not being able to get fries with your burger...

Sounds like bad info.

Generally I buy my ammo at Wal-Mart, online at Cheaper than Dirt (have they changed that law yet?) or re-loads at the gun show. All much cheaper than a box of 50 at Turners.

Librarian
12-03-2012, 11:03 PM
Last time I bought a gun, FFL wanted the gun out in the car after pickup before selling ammo to me.

But no law against it, pace the gunshow restriction.

Laythor
12-03-2012, 11:05 PM
i was given a couple of bricks of 22 ammo for free when i picked up my 22/45

TBX
12-03-2012, 11:10 PM
I know that is/used to be a Big5 policy. But that's the only place I've ever heard that. I've purchased ammo along with picking up a gun in the past.

You're right it is a Big 5 thing. The store manager at the Mack Rd location in Sacramento told me the same thing when I bought a shotgun 2 years ago.

bruss01
12-03-2012, 11:23 PM
Ok - I'm not exactly a noob - so this is shocking and embarrassing to have to ask for help...so be nice guys.

I had TWO unrelated and seperate people tell me this same tripe, on the same day:

"An FFL in CA can't sell ammo of the same caliber to a person who is picking up a firearm purchase following the wait"

I am 99.999% sure this is pure, smelly, repugnant FUD; however, as convoluted as this glowing bastion of arcane, freedom chocking red tape is, perhaps I have missed some hidden local, regional, state or national regulation?

It's true.

Even after a ten day wait, you still might be the tiniest bit mad. It's not a law, it's just a responsible practice widely adhered to, since no gun store wants to be sued for giving an angry guy both a gun AND ammo when he might have murder on his mind still. Better to spread the liability around a bit and make him go at least two places.

And in case the sarcasm meter didn't register... [/sarcasm] That above was all in good fun. Hope it got someone going for a second!

Sohum63
12-03-2012, 11:23 PM
One nice thing about small towns, when there are ammo shortages most of the local ffl will set aside enough so that if you are picking up a gun you can at least get a box or 2.

Curtis
12-04-2012, 12:19 AM
Although not a gun store situation, but very similar wrong information. I went to pick up a dozen firearms and several thousand rounds of ammo from a LEO. The property clerk stated they don't return ammo. When asked why, the clerk stated it was "illegal to transport ammo and guns in a vehicle at the same time." I was about to go off when the Sgt. said "they would make an exception this time, but I would have to take the guns to the car first and come back for the ammo." I made sure to leave all the evidence seals in place for the ride home and I made sure every gun was in a locked case. No need to test a suspicious car stop.

shotcaller6
12-04-2012, 2:28 AM
Although not a gun store situation, but very similar wrong information. I went to pick up a dozen firearms and several thousand rounds of ammo from a LEO. The property clerk stated they don't return ammo. When asked why, the clerk stated it was "illegal to transport ammo and guns in a vehicle at the same time." I was about to go off when the Sgt. said "they would make an exception this time, but I would have to take the guns to the car first and come back for the ammo." I made sure to leave all the evidence seals in place for the ride home and I made sure every gun was in a locked case. No need to test a suspicious car stop.


Need input, sounds like an interesting story...

keneva
12-04-2012, 3:46 AM
Yes, please do tell more!

choprzrul
12-04-2012, 6:56 AM
27330. No person at a gun show or event, other than security
personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time
both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the
firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or
exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.

This would suggest that .38 Special ammo + a .357 firearm would be good to go? The .38 Special ammo could not possibly have been '...designed to be fired in the firearm...' since .357s didn't exist when the .38 was designed.

:D:43::chris:

A-J
12-04-2012, 7:12 AM
The guys (and the one girl) at Turner's have *always* asked if I needed ammo when I pick up my guns. The guy at Big 5 did hte same when I picked up my 12 gauge.

I wouldn't be asking for CGF guidance if I hadn't heard this from TWO sources on the same day. Perhaps DOJ is purposely spreading some FUD? I want to get to the bottom of this.

Tragically, there is no limit on the number of stupid people in the world, so there is always the chance two or more may congregate.


27330. No person at a gun show or event, other than security
personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time
both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the
firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or
exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.

Thank you for providing source. It's refreshing!

Singlekorn
12-04-2012, 7:31 AM
I ran into this at City Arms in Pacifica. I was picking up a few stripped lowers and decided to pickup a box of 9mm ammo the same day. They told me that I couldn't leave the store carrying both ammo and the "firearms" at the same time so I had to make two trips to my car.

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whack
12-04-2012, 8:21 AM
27330. No person at a gun show or event, other than security
personnel or sworn peace officers, shall possess at the same time
both a firearm and ammunition that is designed to be fired in the
firearm. Vendors having those items at the show for sale or
exhibition are exempt from this prohibition.

I would bet that this is the offending PC that started it all, and has morphed into a beast unto itself. It is like the game of telephone where one person whispers something into someones ear and that next person does someone else, etc.

CGF should have an FFL Anti-FUD newsletter or something. :oji:

Thanks for the responses guys! I'm just glad it isn't some city ordinance - this all happened in LA county, which we all know has it's fair share of arcane red-tape (fingerprint ammo purchase, no <4" barrels, etc).

Although it may still be...

cindynles
12-04-2012, 8:32 AM
Last time I bought a gun, FFL wanted the gun out in the car after pickup before selling ammo to me.

But no law against it, pace the gunshow restriction.

That seems like a really good way to lose the ammo sale. If an FFL told me that I would drive to Walmart for my ammo (and save quite a bit of $$).

My local FFL tries hard to capitalize on that new gun excitement and sell me everything in the store (mags, holster, mag pouch, ammo, cleaning kit, sights, lights, lasers, you name it). It usually works too, I almost always come home with something other than just the gun on pick up day.....

sunborder
12-04-2012, 9:01 AM
Most of this is store policy (outside of gun shows, I guess...), but those policies are likely decided by management/corporate/insurance types. It's not a matter of law (yet...).

ronlglock
12-04-2012, 9:13 AM
You're right it is a Big 5 thing. The store manager at the Mack Rd location in Sacramento told me the same thing when I bought a shotgun 2 years ago.

This does make sense since there was a shooting at Big5 where the perp grabbed a gun and ammo and started shooting.

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/police-release-911-call-made-by-big-5-store-manage/nD8Mt/

bigcasino
12-04-2012, 12:09 PM
Crazy story, Police fired 5 rds and hit him twice. :eek: All the big 5 I have been to are not that big that you should miss 60%. Just saying

whack
12-04-2012, 12:28 PM
Update: A call was made to the CA DOJ - they confirmed there is NO CA PENAL CODE that would cause such a burden to any gunstore.

sunborder
12-04-2012, 10:43 PM
Crazy story, Police fired 5 rds and hit him twice. All the big 5 I have been to are not that big that you should miss 60%. Just saying

Most of the Big5 stores in the SD area are crowded, full of shelves overflowing with crap (including camping equipment made of metal sitting right next to the gun counter), and in general, providing lots of cover and/or concealment.

stix213
12-05-2012, 12:28 AM
I've had a manager at Big 5 ask me to take my newly purchased rifle to my vehicle before buying ammo for it, but that's the only time I've ever heard this.

Had this same thing, except I went and put the ammo in the car first, then came in and finished up picking up the rifle lol. Seemed silly, like they just didn't want my crazy assault mosin in one hand and a box of 54r in the other.

Jason_2111
12-05-2012, 7:57 AM
We definitely need a CGF Anti-FUD Response Team... maybe it's time for a shirt. :)

It's frustrating as heck when stores/ranges/FFL's/etc implement more conservative policies, but use the lie that "It's the law" as an excuse to not have to explain themselves.
A private business can have whatever policy they want... heck, they could insist that you wear dissimilar socks when picking up a firearm from jail, which would entirely be their right... but to try and pass it off as a legal issue is just shtty and dishonest.
LEO's do it all the time too. They get uncomfortable with a situation, so instead of being honest about it, they make up some BS and say it's the law... no them.

When you encounter FUD... call them on their BS... don't let it slide.

Skidmark
12-05-2012, 8:08 AM
Last time I bought a gun, FFL wanted the gun out in the car after pickup before selling ammo to me.

But no law against it, pace the gunshow restriction.

Has been my experience as well. After taking the guns outside, and locking them in car or motorcycle, I went back in and bought ammoez.

Not a problem.

Glock22Fan
12-05-2012, 9:08 AM
Makes you wonder why there are not more shooting rampages in out of state stores. Heck, I was in Cabelas in Reno last year and they had aisle after aisle of ammo, all freely available to anyone, even people carrying firearms (as I was that day).

No wonder out-of-staters think we Californians are nut cases. Apparently even our own business managers do as well.

Wherryj
12-05-2012, 9:51 AM
I've had a manager at Big 5 ask me to take my newly purchased rifle to my vehicle before buying ammo for it, but that's the only time I've ever heard this.

He probably just didn't want you to do a "Terminator" and load up the gun before paying.

IrishPirate
12-05-2012, 9:58 AM
i tend to buy my ammo during my waiting period, but I've NEVER had an FFL not ask if I wanted to buy some ammo when i picked a gun up. I've even seen deals where you get 50rds for free with a gun, or you get a %off of ammo purchases when you DROS or pick up a gun of the same caliber.

Dont be surprised by the FUD though....this is CA and if gun law FUD was currency we'd be out of debt instantly.

PixelBender
12-05-2012, 11:57 AM
My favorite was when a buddy and I went to go pickup his 870 Express at Big-5. Store policy is, when the customer returns for pickup, the clerk/rep/associate (whatever they call themselves), must escort the buyer to the front door with the long gun packaged in box unopened, before releasing the firearm to said buyer.

*huge eye roll*

POLICESTATE
12-05-2012, 11:58 AM
Ok - I'm not exactly a noob - so this is shocking and embarrassing to have to ask for help...so be nice guys.

I had TWO unrelated and seperate people tell me this same tripe, on the same day:

"An FFL in CA can't sell ammo of the same caliber to a person who is picking up a firearm purchase following the wait"

I am 99.999% sure this is pure, smelly, repugnant FUD; however, as convoluted as this glowing bastion of arcane, freedom chocking red tape is, perhaps I have missed some hidden local, regional, state or national regulation?



Totally massive BS, some stores may have that policy but it's not a law or anything.

whack
12-05-2012, 12:00 PM
My favorite was when a buddy and I went to go pickup his 870 Express at Big-5. Store policy is, when the customer returns for pickup, the clerk/rep/associate (whatever they call themselves), must escort the buyer to the front door with the long gun packaged in box unopened, before releasing the firearm to said buyer.

*huge eye roll*

It will be interesting to see how they handle the upcoming 'container' requirement for long-guns.

ke6guj
12-05-2012, 1:37 PM
My favorite was when a buddy and I went to go pickup his 870 Express at Big-5. Store policy is, when the customer returns for pickup, the clerk/rep/associate (whatever they call themselves), must escort the buyer to the front door with the long gun packaged in box unopened, before releasing the firearm to said buyer.

*huge eye roll*

Bass Pro does the same thing. I don't see the big deal.

a1c
12-05-2012, 1:42 PM
Store policy, I'd bet.

Anybody remembers that incident several years ago when some guy at a gun store in the SF Peninsula bought some ammo, asked to check out a handgun, then ran out of the store, loaded the gun and blew his brains out?

When I buy beer at the local supermarket, the cashiers always insist on bagging my six-pack. I hate plastic bags or bags in general when I can just carry my stuff out as is, but once the guy told me he couldn't let me take the six-pack out as such, "because it's illegal".

I nicely corrected him and told him it wasn't illegal, just his store policy.

Moonshine
12-05-2012, 4:33 PM
I also have the problem of no ammo but its because I can't find any to buy. Do PM me if you know somewhere in Sacramento that has 5.45 x 39mm because right now my newly built AK-74 is basically a high tech club.

Moonshine
12-05-2012, 4:41 PM
Fortified peasant that FUD graphic is hillarious!

Moonshine
12-05-2012, 4:45 PM
What's entertaining is the panic buying, it's literally on a large enough scale that its going to fuel the gun lobby and provide a considerable stimulus to gun shops heh... Well call this stimulus 2.0 :)

a1c
12-05-2012, 4:58 PM
What's entertaining is the panic buying, it's literally on a large enough scale that its going to fuel the gun lobby and provide a considerable stimulus to gun shops heh... Well call this stimulus 2.0 :)

Don't kid yourself. The NRA stimulus is mostly going to go to the politicians on the Hill, as usual.

zenmastar
12-05-2012, 5:05 PM
I think it was store policy. I've encountered a different policy but with the same results at Sportsmen's Supply. On pick up day, I was told to bring a locked case, lock the pistol (Glock on this occasion) in the case in front of the sales person, and exit immediately.

They even gave me a sheet of paper of the required steps on pickup day and what constituted a locked case (the Glock case and CA approved lock did not count).

vintagearms
12-05-2012, 5:11 PM
Even if true, just buy your ammo online or the day before. No biggie.

MotoriousRacing
12-05-2012, 5:13 PM
A couple weeks ago I picked up my first pistol from The Shootist. They charged me twice for the HSC by accident (I paid over the phone), and asked if I wanted ammo for the credit.

ssaction
12-05-2012, 8:07 PM
A couple weeks ago I picked up my first pistol from The Shootist. They charged me twice for the HSC by accident (I paid over the phone), and asked if I wanted ammo for the credit.

Clever sales technique.

taiwon
12-05-2012, 11:00 PM
Had this same thing, except I went and put the ammo in the car first, then came in and finished up picking up the rifle lol. Seemed silly, like they just didn't want my crazy assault mosin in one hand and a box of 54r in the other.

LOL