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vorra65
11-29-2012, 2:46 PM
Listening to Doyle's afternoon show on 650 KSTE, Judge Nepalitano touched on the Obama Anti Gun move. Said that along with the EPA they are moving towards the "lead is bad" for the environment. He talked about ammo going to the $4-$5 a round range. Nothing in stone, but he did say there was rumble in WA regarding how they can limit the 2A by getting the EPA involved.

Anybody see this move coming, or heard of it before today?

bandit610
11-29-2012, 4:54 PM
No, but this looks promising: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/outdoors-bill-angers-some-environmental-groups/2012/11/25/ecddb32c-33e8-11e2-bfd5-e202b6d7b501_story.html?wprss=rss_national

Librarian
11-29-2012, 6:31 PM
Seems to me that got discussed here in CA, even beyond the Condor-range hunting ammo limitations. Clearly has not yet gone anywhere.

RandyD
11-29-2012, 6:50 PM
These actions are clearly an infringement on our 2nd Amendment rights.

mbuna
11-29-2012, 7:50 PM
Good segment. For a moment there I felt like a free man when the Judge was speaking. Oh well.

acanales
11-29-2012, 9:03 PM
Listening to Doyle's afternoon show on 650 KSTE, Judge Nepalitano touched on the Obama Anti Gun move. Said that along with the EPA they are moving towards the "lead is bad" for the environment. He talked about ammo going to the $4-$5 a round range. Nothing in stone, but he did say there was rumble in WA regarding how they can limit the 2A by getting the EPA involved.

Anybody see this move coming, or heard of it before today?

With all due respect, attempts by environmentalists to use the Endangered Species Act, RCRA, SARA, TSCA and any other regulatory power to ban any/all ammunition materials has been going on for years.

This is not restricted to lead ammunition. There are regulatory restrictions on copper used in "nonlead" bullets such as Barnes coming through the system. Tungsten used in waterfowl shot is proving to be problematic as well, and is being regulated out of use on a site by site basis. Even steel shot can be problematic, with some forms of steel shot having hexavalent chromium content (Hex chrome toxicity is how Erin Brokovich "made her bones" in the legal community).

The current CBD lawsuit is the likely the 4th iteration of the same method trying to ban ammunition. The Sportsman's Act of 2012 could fix a major element of this problem, but last minute amendments have stalled this getting out of the Senate. There is still hope for it passing in 2012, but time is running out and next year's Senate is more liberal and more beholding to the environmentalist left.

Fortunately NRA has been putting major assets into this fight for years. With a combination of effective lobbying and dedicated activism, protections for lead and other ammunition materials can be enacted before an unfriendly judge can rule against ammunition use.

Respectfully,

Anthony Canales

OlderThanDirt
11-30-2012, 7:34 AM
With all due respect, attempts by environmentalists to use the Endangered Species Act, RCRA, SARA, TSCA and any other regulatory power to ban any/all ammunition materials has been going on for years.

This is not restricted to lead ammunition. There are regulatory restrictions on copper used in "nonlead" bullets such as Barnes coming through the system. Tungsten used in waterfowl shot is proving to be problematic as well, and is being regulated out of use on a site by site basis. Even steel shot can be problematic, with some forms of steel shot having hexavalent chromium content (Hex chrome toxicity is how Erin Brokovich "made her bones" in the legal community).

The current CBD lawsuit is the likely the 4th iteration of the same method trying to ban ammunition. The Sportsman's Act of 2012 could fix a major element of this problem, but last minute amendments have stalled this getting out of the Senate. There is still hope for it passing in 2012, but time is running out and next year's Senate is more liberal and more beholding to the environmentalist left.

Fortunately NRA has been putting major assets into this fight for years. With a combination of effective lobbying and dedicated activism, protections for lead and other ammunition materials can be enacted before an unfriendly judge can rule against ammunition use.

Respectfully,

Anthony Canales

^^^ This.

There is a reason that CBD keeps trying the same lawsuit strategy even though they have failed every time. Over the past 30 years there has been a shift within most regulatory agencies towards environmentalism. This shift seems to have accelerated in the past 10 years. Eventually, in the absence of legislation to prevent regulatory agency activism, CBD or some other similar wacko group will be successful.