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Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Is the Gen4 worth the extra $150? (due to doing SSE)

Looking at a G17

Is the front of the Gen4's grip less "square" than the Gen3?

Just trying to see if the Gen4 is worth the extra coin.

Thoughts?

KEO
11-28-2012, 11:39 AM
Are the Gen 4's now on the roster here. I thought that there were currently LEO only.

FLAWLS1
11-28-2012, 11:40 AM
Worth it is up to the buyer. I like the Gen4 grip over the Gen3 though.

FLAWLS1
11-28-2012, 11:41 AM
Are the Gen 4's now on the roster here. I thought that there were currently LEO only.

Read the sticky up in this section.

Shenaniguns
11-28-2012, 11:42 AM
IMO they are worth it, but $150 more means you need to shop around.

Dannicus
11-28-2012, 11:42 AM
Are the Gen 4's now on the roster here. I thought that there were currently LEO only.

OP did mention "SSE".

I actually prefer the grip texture on the Gen3 if I conceal in a way that puts it up against the skin.

9mmdude
11-28-2012, 11:44 AM
IMO, I would look for a Gen3 RTF2 and go that route. My Gen4 17 went back to Glock twice and it was replaced by Glock. The Gen4 .40's are working fine.

Shenaniguns
11-28-2012, 11:46 AM
OP did mention "SSE".

I actually prefer the grip texture on the Gen3 if I conceal in a way that puts it up against the skin.


Underarmour Undershirts are very helpful :43:

rpang
11-28-2012, 11:49 AM
Check with EBR if you can make the drive up to Thousand Oaks. Great pricing on the Gen 4. It wont be $150 more.

KEO
11-28-2012, 11:51 AM
Missed the part in the OP about SSE.

Brandon04GT
11-28-2012, 11:54 AM
I'd like to know also. Mainly cause I have a smaller grip and the Gen 4's feel a lot better but I've heard that they have had some reliability issues early on.

SB1964
11-28-2012, 12:24 PM
My Buddy has a Gen4 G23 & I have a Gen3 G23. FWIW, I got mine in Sept. I do like the Grip on the Gen4, I wanted a Gen 4 G23C. Him & I shoot regularly, I really like my "regular" g23. Not sure GEN4 Is worth more $$$

Personally, I love my Glock! I`m at the point where I like it more than any other Pistol. You cant go wrong with either Choice!!!

Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 12:57 PM
IMO they are worth it, but $150 more means you need to shop around.

Riflegear.. gen3 FDE G17 versus gen4 FDE G17

http://www.riflegear.com/c-131-glock.aspx

$565 for the gen3 and $630 for the gen4.. so I guess the guy at RF quoted me high the other day.. so the difference is $65

So the gen4 grip is better? hmm...

Mr310
11-28-2012, 12:59 PM
No joke, I would check out a Gen 2. Picking that thing up converted me.

FLAWLS1
11-28-2012, 1:01 PM
I'd like to know also. Mainly cause I have a smaller grip and the Gen 4's feel a lot better but I've heard that they have had some reliability issues early on.

The later Gen3's have the same ejection issues as the Gen4's. There's a new extractor that supposedly fixes the problem, but it doesn't bother me that much.

k1dude
11-28-2012, 1:02 PM
I prefer the Gen 4 over the Gen 3 just because of the vastly improved mag release button. But I'm not sure it's worth $150 more. Like others have said, you need to shop around. Dealers in my area charge between $550 and $575 for a Gen 4 through SSE. They charge $499 for a Gen 3.

The Gen 4 has an improved mag release button, more aggressive grip texture, and a dual recoil spring.

Shenaniguns
11-28-2012, 1:09 PM
Riflegear.. gen3 FDE G17 versus gen4 FDE G17

http://www.riflegear.com/c-131-glock.aspx

$565 for the gen3 and $630 for the gen4.. so I guess the guy at RF quoted me high the other day.. so the difference is $65

So the gen4 grip is better? hmm...


I prefer the slimmer ergonomics (Front to back) and the slightly better precision compared to my previous Gen 3's and 2.

mischiefmatt
11-28-2012, 1:51 PM
OP, have you checked OC Armory in Laguna Hills? I don't think the price difference is $150

Red Devil
11-28-2012, 2:21 PM
For a 9mm Euro...? I'd say no.

If you have a particular problem that the Gen4 addresses?

- Big/Small hands
- Left handed
- Grease hands

Then maybe.

But the Glock was designed around the 9mm Euro and the Gen3 addressed the main complaints.

- You don't need the dual-spring for a 9mm Euro.
- The Gen4 addresses .40 Cal. problems.
- 9mm Euro has seen issues w/ the corrections.

So why?

I have Gen2,3, and 4 pistols in .40 and .45 ACP. I can barely tell the difference b/t the Gen2 and 4 in .40 as far as recoil, and the Gen3 finger-groves are fine.

So why?

Sam
11-28-2012, 3:21 PM
For a 9mm Euro...? I'd say no.

If you have a particular problem that the Gen4 addresses?

- Big/Small hands
- Left handed
- Grease hands

Then maybe.

But the Glock was designed around the 9mm Euro and the Gen3 addressed the main complaints.

- You don't need the dual-spring for a 9mm Euro.
- The Gen4 addresses .40 Cal. problems.
- 9mm Euro has seen issues w/ the corrections.

So why?

I have Gen2,3, and 4 pistols in .40 and .45 ACP. I can barely tell the difference b/t the Gen2 and 4 in .40 as far as recoil, and the Gen3 finger-groves are fine.

So why?

Because of the mag release, grip texture and slightly smaller grip.

vintagearms
11-28-2012, 3:44 PM
Because of the mag release, grip texture and slightly smaller grip.

Yes. I prefer the mag release on the right side rather than as it normally comes. The grip is so much better as well. Have both.

Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 4:36 PM
I prefer the slimmer ergonomics (Front to back) and the slightly better precision compared to my previous Gen 3's and 2.

So it is slimmer?

My Gen3 felt very "square and wide" on the front of the grip.. much different than my Gen1..

So, I ordered the Gen4 based on the better grip shape.. always disliked the Gen3 so I figure it could only get better.. lol

Thanks for the help :)

Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 4:38 PM
OP, have you checked OC Armory in Laguna Hills? I don't think the price difference is $150

$150 is what I was told in the store (I think he was guessing).. did the math based on thier website and the diff is $65 over an off-roster Gen3 FDE G17..

So, for $65 I went with the Gen4..

Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 4:39 PM
Although.. I am puzzled by one thing.

If you buy a Gen4 G17 from them (out of state) you get THREE standard-cap magazines.. if you by the same gun from them in CA you get TWO 10-round mags.. why do you lose one mag?

A phone call is in order.

vintagearms
11-28-2012, 4:48 PM
Although.. I am puzzled by one thing.

If you buy a Gen4 G17 from them (out of state) you get THREE standard-cap magazines.. if you by the same gun from them in CA you get TWO 10-round mags.. why do you lose one mag?

A phone call is in order.

I got 3 std cap rebuild kits with mine. Was a GSSF purchase though.

The Mad Mule
11-28-2012, 5:03 PM
Although.. I am puzzled by one thing.

If you buy a Gen4 G17 from them (out of state) you get THREE standard-cap magazines.. if you by the same gun from them in CA you get TWO 10-round mags.. why do you lose one mag?

A phone call is in order.

It depends on who you order from.

* In addition, I would say if you're going for a home defense handgun, choose the Gen3. You'll be less sad if you ever have to use it, and then it's confiscated forever for evidence.

Sam
11-28-2012, 6:53 PM
Although.. I am puzzled by one thing.

If you buy a Gen4 G17 from them (out of state) you get THREE standard-cap magazines.. if you by the same gun from them in CA you get TWO 10-round mags.. why do you lose one mag?

A phone call is in order.

Both of my Gen 4s came with three standard capacity magazine rebuild kits. Although I had to ask at Wild Bills if they'd trade the two 10 rounders they gave me for the three standard rebuild kits.

INFAMOUS762X39
11-28-2012, 7:54 PM
Check with EBR if you can make the drive up to Thousand Oaks. Great pricing on the Gen 4. It wont be $150 more.
This is where I would go to do a SSE. The owner of EBR is super nice.

The later Gen3's have the same ejection issues as the [early] Gen4's. There's a new extractor that supposedly fixes the problem, but it doesn't bother me that much.

Yes, this is a fact.

I would pass on the Gen3, I can say that because I have a Gen3 19 with erratic ejection issues. Spend the extra for newer/updated Gen4, and hope it's in spec. :rolleyes:

To the Original Poster, if you want to hear my story/solution PM me.

GM_77
11-28-2012, 7:59 PM
Is the Gen4 worth the extra $150? (due to doing SSE)

Looking at a G17

Is the front of the Gen4's grip less "square" than the Gen3?

Just trying to see if the Gen4 is worth the extra coin.

Thoughts?

Maybe. I'm not sure if the current Gen3's come with the two stage recoil spring like the Gen4. The grip is much better in the Gen4's and I think that is mostly the selling point, I would check that out yourself to see if that is the a deal breaker or not.

P.S. Check out direct action solutions if you are near SD, it is only $100.00 for SSE on their website.

Steve1968LS2
11-28-2012, 9:00 PM
This is where I would go to do a SSE. The owner of EBR is super nice.



Yes, this is a fact.

I would pass on the Gen3, I can say that because I have a Gen3 19 with erratic ejection issues. Spend the extra for newer/updated Gen4, and hope it's in spec. :rolleyes:

To the Original Poster, if you want to hear my story/solution PM me.

I've bought several from EBR.. but it's hours of driving and $40 in gas.. great place to buy from though.

Travis590A1
11-28-2012, 10:40 PM
I like gen 3's. The SF models are just as big as the gen 4's and the Gen 3's are proven reliable the gen 4 not so much.

PAKALO
11-29-2012, 7:32 AM
from what ive been hearing the Gen 4 wont make Ca list for a while.. Yea the SSE is the only way to pic one up, I just dont see why when you can go out and buy a gen 3 for $500...I dont think the 4s are worth the extra cash and certainly dont care for SSE stuff.. Ill take any 2 or 3 gen before I go out and get a 4...
Just my personal opinion. Cheers

Rimfire123
11-29-2012, 7:43 AM
It depends on who you order from.

* In addition, I would say if you're going for a home defense handgun, choose the Gen3. You'll be less sad if you ever have to use it, and then it's confiscated forever for evidence.

Is it true? Are you saying that you will get in trouble for using a gun not on CA roster for HD?

Thanks

kf6tac
11-29-2012, 7:58 AM
Is it true? Are you saying that you will get in trouble for using a gun not on CA roster for HD?

Thanks

No, I think he's just saying it's going to be a bigger PITA to get a new off-roster gun if the police keep it forever, vs. getting a new on-roster gun if the police keep it forever.

gorenut
11-29-2012, 8:02 AM
If both were the same price, I would choose a Gen 4 over Gen 3. I like the subtle changes in Gen 4, the overall gun feels better and definitely prefer the mag release over Gen 3. I would not, however, pay $150 more for a Gen 4. At most, I'd say its worth maybe $30 more. I've seen Gen 4 G17s sell here for $500.

"Reliability issues" are overblown and for the most part ironed out now. The most common of these issues is easy to fix yourself (switch out the extractor) and is one shared amongst newer Gen 3s as well.

corcoraj2002
11-29-2012, 8:04 AM
No just the cost of the gun. A good shoot is a good shoot

Lumpia is sarap!
11-29-2012, 8:08 AM
I likes my Gen4:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v171/Gregdog/Pin%20Ups/DSCN3221.jpg

415Local
11-29-2012, 8:15 AM
i have a 17 Gen4 and use it to shoot IDPA. i got it earlier last year when they had problems. once the recoil rod/spring and ejector were replaced it runs flawless. it ran great even before with only one FTE. i believe the new Gen4s have the newer parts that were put on my gun so u shouldn't worry. i chose the Gen4 over the Gen3s due to my smaller hand size. if it weren't for that i could have easily gotten a Gen3. that is a hefty price difference though?

Red Devil
11-29-2012, 8:21 AM
Because of the mag release, grip texture and slightly smaller grip.

Me too, but I paid $400 and got'em in .40, not for a 30% increase in price and the SSE hassle.

Besides, the 9mm Euro's have had extraction/ejection troubles in the Gen4.


Not worth and extra $150 plus brass in your face... least not to me.

echopapa
11-29-2012, 8:33 AM
I'm also thinking of picking up a Gen4 Glock 19...I was quoted $539 + DROS/Taxes (no charge for SSE because I'm a repeat customer)...is that a fair price???

So my understanding after reading the SSE sticky is that you only need to swap out the barrel and replace the maglock (is this pretty easy?)

Thanks!

DRAB_81
11-29-2012, 8:39 AM
I have a GEN 4 G17 with 6k through it, including USPSA matches and classes I've taken. My GEN 4 G19 is at around 1k now. Both have fired 115gr UMC, WWB & Federal Champion, along with a ton of reloads, and neither gun has had a single issue. The grip texture & mag release alone are worth going with the GEN 4 for me. I have owned (7) GEN 3's & (5) GEN 4's. I'll take a GEN 4 over a GEN 3 any day of the week. I wish the grip size & trigger was the same as the GEN 3, and the dual RSA isn't a huge selling point for me, but I still prefer the GEN 4 overall.

k1dude
11-29-2012, 11:11 AM
I'm also thinking of picking up a Gen4 Glock 19...I was quoted $539 + DROS/Taxes (no charge for SSE because I'm a repeat customer)...is that a fair price???

So my understanding after reading the SSE sticky is that you only need to swap out the barrel and replace the maglock (is this pretty easy?)

Thanks!

Yes it's easy. Do it. That's a good price.

ap3572001
11-29-2012, 11:50 AM
I carry GEN4 G22 on and off duty. I own several GEN4 Glocks.

In .40 IT IS MUCH BETTER THAN older models.

In 9mm IF YOU ONLY USE FULL POWER LE AMMO OR NATO BALL , You will be fine too. You will like it better than GEN3.

k1dude
11-29-2012, 11:58 AM
In 9mm IF YOU ONLY USE FULL POWER LE AMMO OR NATO BALL , You will be fine too. You will like it better than GEN3.

Keep in mind that 99.9% of people with Gen. 4 9mm's have no problems whatsoever. You're only hearing from a small subset that experienced a problem. I have a Gen 4 G19 with thousands of rounds of bulk ammo (Federal, WWB, Magtech) through it and have never had a problem. Not one single malfunction.

Triad
11-29-2012, 12:11 PM
I shot both. I'd rather have a generation 3 glock.

far from tactical
11-29-2012, 1:27 PM
I like my gen 3 better didn't feel like forking. Over more just to get the gen 4

fcr
11-29-2012, 7:14 PM
Somebody clue me in, why is the Gen 4 not rostered ?

wang949
11-29-2012, 8:29 PM
Somebody clue me in, why is the Gen 4 not rostered ?Because Gen4 Glocks do not meet Sacramento's safety requirements, so only Police can freely get them... makes perfect sense right?

The Mad Mule
11-29-2012, 8:45 PM
Somebody clue me in, why is the Gen 4 not rostered ?

For California sales, new firearms introduced after 2007 are required to have an LCI and magazine disconnect. Glock refused to do either, ergo our only way to get them is through SSE.

Whatisthis?
11-29-2012, 9:09 PM
I prefer the Gen 4 over the Gen 3 just because of the vastly improved mag release button. But I'm not sure it's worth $150 more. Like others have said, you need to shop around. Dealers in my area charge between $550 and $575 for a Gen 4 through SSE. They charge $499 for a Gen 3.

The Gen 4 has an improved mag release button, more aggressive grip texture, and a dual recoil spring.

Perfectly said IMO

BLOWN RAIDER
01-31-2013, 10:01 AM
I have both the Gen 3 and the Gen 4 GLOCK 22. I have to say that I prefer the Gen 4 due to the grip, it is not as bulky as the Gen 3 and feels much better in my hands. wether it is worth the extra $ is totally up to you...

BoJackUSMC
01-31-2013, 10:17 AM
I prefer the Gen 4 grip texture...

Fadedline
01-31-2013, 10:23 AM
I prefer the Gen4 grip also. Worth the extra $50 I paid easily.

jbatzmaru
01-31-2013, 10:32 AM
+1
not worth the extra dough.