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shin_en
11-26-2012, 8:54 PM
I ordered a midlength upper from PSA's black friday sale November 22nd at 2:37pm and did not realize until early the next day that it did not come with a BCG or charging handle. I immediately emailed PSA at 9:40am (the 12:41pm in the email below is EST since that's when they received it on their end) as well as requested on their website to cancel the order. I heard back this morning from them thatthey would need to charge me a 10% restocking fee. I asked to waive the restocking fee since the upper hadn't been built yet (website states 15 day turn around). I was not hindering the sale of the item either since the upper currently is not sold out on the website either. They refused to waive the fee even though there would be no work on their side to cancel the transation (my assumption on this as its the holidays and i emailed them less than 24 hours after the order. The order also happened THANKSGIVING day. i also assume that no work was ever started on the upper as PSA requires 15 business days to complete the order)

I relented and accepted to take the 10% fee as I will not do business with them for not understanding or giving proper customer service.

Here is the email tree:

RE: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100125308‏



From:Palmetto State Armory (info@palmettostatearmory.com)http://co121w.col121.mail.live.com/mail/clear.gif (http://co121w.col121.mail.live.com/mail/InboxLight.aspx?n=194144880#)Sent:Mon 11/26/12 10:55 AMTo: XXXXX












From: info@palmettostatearmory.com
To: xxxxx
Subject: RE: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100125308
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 13: 55: 55 -0500

Unfortunately I cannot. Thank you.

Nicole Kone
Palmetto State Armory
200 Business Park Blvd.
Columbia, SC 29203
(803) 788-9095


From: XXXXX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:50 PM
To: Palmetto State Armory
Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100125308



You cannot make an exception for the 10% cancellation?

On Nov 26, 2012, at 10:48 AM, "Palmetto State Armory" <info@palmettostatearmory.com (info@palmettostatearmory.com)> wrote:
All requests for cancellation are subject to a 10% cancellation fee. This information is disclosed in our terms and conditions. Would you like to proceed with the cancellation?

Nicole Kone
Palmetto State Armory
200 Business Park Blvd.
Columbia, SC 29203
(803) 788-9095


From: XXXX
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:10 PM
To: Palmetto State Armory
Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100125308



Why would there be a cancellation fee? The item has not been built yet. Per your website it states that it takes 15 business days to be built. Item is also not sold out so it wouldn't be hindering your sales for the item for the item to be returned

On Nov 26, 2012, at 9:46 AM, "Palmetto State Armory" <info@palmettostatearmory.com (info@palmettostatearmory.com)> wrote:
I cancel the order but it will incur a 10% cancellation fee. Please let me know how you wish to proceed. Thank you.

Brian L.
Customer Service Rep.
803 788 9095
200 Business Park Blvd.
Columbia, SC 29203


From: XXXX
Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 12:41 PM
To: Sales
Subject: Re: Palmetto State Armory: New Order # 100125308



Hello,



I ordered this not realizing that it does not come with a bcg or charging handle. Please cancel the order



Thanks

On Nov 22, 2012, at 2:37 PM, "Sales" <info@palmettostatearmory.com (info@palmettostatearmory.com)> wrote:
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Hello, XXXX

Thank you for your order from Palmetto State Armory. Once your package ships we will send an email with a link to track your order. You can check the status of your order by logging into your account (http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/customer/account/). If you have any questions about your order please contact us at info@palmettostatearmory.com (info@palmettostatearmory.com) or call us at 1.803.788.9095 Monday - Friday, 9am - 5pm EST.
Your order confirmation is below. Thank you again for your business.
Your Order #100125308 (placed on November 22, 2012 5: 37: 05 PM EST)

Billing Information:
Payment Method:
XXXXX

Credit Card


Credit Card Type:



Visa


Credit Card Number:



xxxx-XXXX

Shipping Information:
Shipping Method:
XXXXX
Shipping Option - Ground

Item
Sku


Qty





Subtotal



PSA 16" Mid-length A2 Premium Black Friday Upper
31236


1





$279.99





Subtotal





$279.99





Shipping & Handling





$15.00





Grand Total





$294.99





Thank you, Palmetto State Armory

roushstage2
11-26-2012, 9:18 PM
Failing to see a problem, besides reading comprehension.

Horton Fenty
11-26-2012, 9:26 PM
That's a bummer. I'd do the same thing you did, give em their 30 bucks and deal with someone who doesn't start pointing to "terms and conditions" by the second reply.

Kurus214
11-26-2012, 9:29 PM
Next time dispute the charge.

ptroxx
11-26-2012, 9:29 PM
its very clear you didnt read the add or the terms.. it says right in the add. no BCG
and in the terms it says 10% cancelation fee...
SO why are you upset witt them when this is clearly your mistake.

Get over it..


Upper:Forged 7075-T6 A3 AR upper is made to MIL-SPECS and hard coat anodized black for durability. Featuring machined T marks, and a mil-spec finish. These uppers are made for us right here in the USA by a mil-spec manufacturer.

Each upper is assembled to order with care, and test fired. Bolt carrier group and charging handle not included.


Order Cancellations – All requests for an order cancellation must be submitted via e-mail. Payments are processed immediately upon placement of your order. A 10% cancellation fee will be charged to all orders cancelled after a payment has been processed. This charge represents the costs we incur to reprocess your transaction and to unpack and restock your order items by our sales and warehouse staff.

ptroxx
11-26-2012, 9:30 PM
Next time dispute the charge.

Next time read the add.. come on.. he made the mistake.. not them..

tradecraft
11-26-2012, 9:39 PM
How is this PSA's fault again?

ptroxx
11-26-2012, 9:50 PM
Funny thing is this is still a killer deal even without the BCG ,
the OP must have found a better deal someplace else and thought he was going to get out of this one.

SO now its going to cost him an extra 30 for what he is going to get now..

I have a complete upper assy from PSA and love it..
I almost got one of these but didnt get one because of the BCG...
Im waiting for a complete upper kit..

Palmetto State Armory
11-27-2012, 6:21 AM
We are charged a percentage of every transaction by our processing company. Charging 10% covers the fee and the labor involved with cancelling your order. The upper was advertised without BCG/CH, and cancellations are covered in the T&C.

To those who are suggesting he dispute the charge..please, do not order from us.

tleeocinca
11-27-2012, 6:32 AM
Accept your mistake and deal with it. Next time, you'll be certain to read the TOS on any future purchases you make. Time to grow up and be man, stop blaming others for your error.

G-Man WC
11-27-2012, 6:40 AM
The prices were great on the Friday sale. Picked up two.
How did yo not see "does not come with a BCG or charging handle"
in bold. This has been a topic discussed here for awhile.
I'd rather buy the guts myself instead of having to replace down the road.
-g

zfields
11-27-2012, 6:46 AM
We are charged a percentage of every transaction by our processing company. Charging 10% covers the fee and the labor involved with cancelling your order. The upper was advertised without BCG/CH, and cancellations are covered in the T&C.

To those who are suggesting he dispute the charge..please, do not order from us.

Somewhat on topic....what is shipping time looking at right now. I ordered the same upper on the same day.

Figured id ask here since this thread has your attention already.

Sent from my Incredible 2

Palmetto State Armory
11-27-2012, 8:08 AM
I don't know what shipment time on the uppers will be, but there were a ton of orders for them. I'm assuming that they will be at the 15th business day mark or longer.

RookieShooter
11-27-2012, 8:32 AM
OP,
Even it doesn't come with the BCG & charging handle, it's still an excellent price. Clearly, it was your fault for not reading the ad, their terms and conditions correctly.

zfields
11-27-2012, 8:37 AM
I don't know what shipment time on the uppers will be, but there were a ton of orders for them. I'm assuming that they will be at the 15th business day mark or longer.

Figured it would be longer. Was just sorta curious if we were looking at 30 days or longer. No biggy either way, I got other guns to shoot.

Sent from my Incredible 2

12voltguy
11-27-2012, 9:36 AM
ok I read this all
then I placed an order for a upper
clearly no BCG/CH
alao real clea you need to check box agree to terms, & 10% restock is in that box bottom corner, easy to see
$249.99 for a m4 upper:)

I have extra bcg's & 5 80%er's to machine
thx if I get it withing 2 months I'm good with that

roushstage2
11-27-2012, 2:16 PM
We are charged a percentage of every transaction by our processing company. Charging 10% covers the fee and the labor involved with cancelling your order. The upper was advertised without BCG/CH, and cancellations are covered in the T&C.

To those who are suggesting he dispute the charge..please, do not order from us.

Kudos!

ptroxx
11-27-2012, 2:24 PM
Looks like they are still running there internet specials too.. but items are running out fast.

nothinghere2c
11-27-2012, 3:16 PM
even without the bcg its a decent deal. I ordered one then picked up a bcg elsewhere for $120

Hot Holster
11-27-2012, 3:55 PM
C'mon, a Upper for $279 WITH a BCG/CH? It's clear in the description there is no no BCG/charge handle included. OP "notices" it the next day and tries to cancel without paying a 10% cancellation fee, which is also in PSA's policy page. To make matters worse for the OP, he now chokes on $28 to PSA and vows never to do business with them. Not to smart IMO.

Save the $28, get the upper as priced, then sell it and never do business if that's how you feel.

Thanks PSA for all your online sales. I'll deal with shipping being a few days delayed to save money.

rdawg
11-27-2012, 4:09 PM
Yep buyers issue didnt read the ad and terms of sales. No matter how long it takes them to build it they got a restocking fee. Terms didnt says restocking fee after the 15 days building period.



Next time read the add.. come on.. he made the mistake.. not them..

ptroxx
11-27-2012, 4:21 PM
well I had to catch this offer before it was to late.. and here I had to click that I agreed to these terms.. I guess If I dont lke it I can sell it real fast right here.. LOL

PSA M4 Strikefire Premium Black Friday Upper

$349.99

1

$349.99


349.99



Shipping & Handling (Shipping Option - Ground)

$15.00



Grand Total

$364.99



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DS94901
12-06-2012, 11:15 AM
I ordered from Palmetto, had an item missing from my order and was specifically told my gun would arrive in a hard case but it arrived in a cardboard box. After repeatedly inquiring, nobody on the phone has any info and nobody responds to my e-mails. Kind of a bummer.

Ed15
12-06-2012, 11:45 AM
If the order has not been shipped, they cannot charge you a restocking fee.
You have 60 days to dispute the charge.

Palmetto State Armory
12-06-2012, 12:10 PM
I ordered from Palmetto, had an item missing from my order and was specifically told my gun would arrive in a hard case but it arrived in a cardboard box. After repeatedly inquiring, nobody on the phone has any info and nobody responds to my e-mails. Kind of a bummer.

If you can PM me with your online order number I can look into this for you.

DirtyLaundry
12-06-2012, 1:48 PM
Buyers mistake, It said it didn't come with a BCG or charging handle in the title for the item.

It's not bad customer service that they chose not to pay for your mistake. Next time pay attention to what you're buying as it was marked clear as day.